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Title: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Rossm on February 13, 2019, 12:47:31 PM
Nick was on local radio this morning. Here is a synopsis of what he had to say. But actually the subject header pretty much sums it up.

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-city-wasps-ricoh-arena-15823254 (https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-city-wasps-ricoh-arena-15823254)

It must be grim being a CCFC fan at the moment. Holding their own in League 1 but they have the potential demise of their club, through no fault of their own and no influence over the outcome,  hanging over their heads. SISU  won't blink as they don't give a fig for the club and it doesn't look like Wasps will blink either (and in the circumstances why should they?). I just hope that the Supreme court kicks SISU's appeal off the field. Probably won't stop them tho............
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Rifleman Harris on February 13, 2019, 01:10:27 PM
Even if the Supreme Court hears in our favour, I'm sure I read that SISU have already indicated that they will pursue things in the Civil Court. To paraphrase; rather than this being the beginning of the end, it is rather the end of the beginning.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Neils on February 13, 2019, 01:16:55 PM
Yes SISU stated that if they failed through the normal court system, which could be as far as the EU, they will start going through the Civil Court process which Joyless said they would win. No respite for CCFC fans. Nick is quite right to continue to state Wasps position because if he falters SISU will take full advantage.
Sad that when I sat in my seat at Adams Park I knew absolutely nowt about SISU,
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Rifleman Harris on February 13, 2019, 01:26:40 PM
Yes SISU stated that if they failed through the normal court system, which could be as far as the EU, they will start going through the Civil Court process which Joyless said they would win. No respite for CCFC fans. Nick is quite right to continue to state Wasps position because if he falters SISU will take full advantage.
Sad that when I sat in my seat at Adams Park I knew absolutely nowt about SISU,
The EU courts may very well not be an option after 29th March! I suspect if they felt it would be easier to win or get the outcome they were looking for they would have started in the Civil Courts.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on February 13, 2019, 01:29:56 PM
Interesting that he said that the window for the court to decide whether to allow the appeal to proceed is 2-3 months from the end of November. I make that time period up within a couple of weeks then. If they get refused, then do they have the right to take it to the European Court, or would they also be told they can't do that at the same time? And then there is the potential for civil action. Will Wasps ask for a guarantee that no civil action would be forthcoming?

And who could SISU sue? My guess is only the Council, and not Wasps, and the action can only be for damages. They would not be able to contest ownership of the stadium I suspect, so Wasps may be clear of it.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Neils on February 13, 2019, 01:45:21 PM
On the EU aspect I think, but may be completely wrong, things can go to the court up until Brexit date + 2 years.

I seem to remember that Joy's representatives stated that after the legal process against the council they would turn to Wasps via the Civil Process. Forget why but will try and sift through CT when home.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: BG on February 13, 2019, 02:21:14 PM
I have a feeling that the European Court is not linked to the EU so Brexit won't effect SISU taking that route... but I could be completely wrong about that.

As Nick Eastwood said in the article, I'm a bit surprised that CCFC fans haven't taken this problem on themselves.

Making the problem known in the national press perhaps but being a fairly faceless secretive hedge fund, SISU wouldn't be bothered about the attention.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Neils on February 13, 2019, 02:26:09 PM
The SBT lynch mob can't agree how to demonstrate against Wasps! The problem has been debated in parliament twice recently so it is getting out there but the owners of the football club just ignore everything.
As I said Nick/Easps are doing the best thing in sticking firm.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Rifleman Harris on February 13, 2019, 02:44:45 PM
On the EU aspect I think, but may be completely wrong, things can go to the court up until Brexit date + 2 years.

I seem to remember that Joy's representatives stated that after the legal process against the council they would turn to Wasps via the Civil Process. Forget why but will try and sift through CT when home.

I think if there is no deal then the EU Court loses it's jurisdiction as the UK Parliament won't recognise it...but there is always the civil courts anyway.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: westwaleswasp on February 13, 2019, 11:53:05 PM
Boot them out.
Nothing else for it, sad for CCFC.
They will persue us till hell freezes over, their mendacity is matched only by their tenacity and their propensity for legal action, like board room version of The Terrminator they just won't stop.
I would issue an ultimatum that is stronger than the one we have, namely not "we won't discuss rent until you drop the legals" but "if you don't drop legals and agree something by the end of Feb then we will not negotiate- ever".
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Rifleman Harris on February 14, 2019, 09:42:58 AM
Boot them out.
Nothing else for it, sad for CCFC.
They will persue us till hell freezes over, their mendacity is matched only by their tenacity and their propensity for legal action, like board room version of The Terrminator they just won't stop.
I would issue an ultimatum that is stronger than the one we have, namely not "we won't discuss rent until you drop the legals" but "if you don't drop legals and agree something by the end of Feb then we will not negotiate- ever".
There is no need. Holding the door open, whilst demanding things you know the other side won't do is pretty much the same thing, but casts us in a far better light (BREXIT is rife with people adopting this mode of negotiations and it works).  Just hold this line will do nicely.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Rossm on February 14, 2019, 10:17:18 AM
Sadly CCFC is just collateral damage in all this. As far as SISU is concerned they'll destroy everything, including women and children, to try and get their way. CCFC is just a pawn in their game and will be sacrificed ruthlessly with out a second thought. We must be as adamant as Seppala and if CCFC goes down the pan, so be it.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Rifleman Harris on February 14, 2019, 10:35:19 AM
Sadly CCFC is just collateral damage in all this. As far as SISU is concerned they'll destroy everything, including women and children, to try and get their way. CCFC is just a pawn in their game and will be sacrificed ruthlessly with out a second thought. We must be as adamant as Seppala and if CCFC goes down the pan, so be it.
Agreed, but we also can't be seen as pushing them under. I think that the Wasps hierarchy are handling this just fine.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: BG on February 14, 2019, 10:35:44 AM
If the worst happens and no ground is available for CCFC, will they be kicked out of the league?
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Rifleman Harris on February 14, 2019, 10:40:54 AM
Probably not.  A different organisation (Football Conference) but I was dealing with Margate FC and they were given every opportunity to comply; deadlines were extended and extended again, then after they demolished their stadium they were allowed to switch grounds to Maidstone at short notice and about 40 miles from here.  I would expect the EFL to extend the same to CCFC, so whilst I wouldn't expect them to be playing in Coventry (unless the legal situation changes), I would expect them to be playing in the EFL (probably at Northampton).
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: RogerE on February 14, 2019, 10:48:44 AM
Probably not.  A different organisation (Football Conference) but I was dealing with Margate FC and they were given every opportunity to comply; deadlines were extended and extended again, then after they demolished their stadium they were allowed to switch grounds to Maidstone at short notice and about 40 miles from here.  I would expect the EFL to extend the same to CCFC, so whilst I wouldn't expect them to be playing in Coventry (unless the legal situation changes), I would expect them to be playing in the EFL (probably at Northampton).

However EFL have stated they must play in Coventry - which basically means Ricoh or Cov. Rugby. 

I would imagine that if they submit stadium details late they could start with a points deduction and/or fine. However the EFL will probably then relent and allow them to play outside Cov.

If they haven't submitted stadium details before fixtures are ready to be drawn-up they will be relegated out of the EFL.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: westwaleswasp on February 14, 2019, 11:10:51 AM
Then they play at Northampton, and with that start to lose money.
To be honest I don't see how we can be cast in a bad light; in the minds of some we are, and law will be, the enemy, even if we let them play rent free. In the minds of most others, we are being unfairly persued by a litigous bunch of scum, a football cancer whose very ownership is abhorrent to the supporters.
In short, appearing to be the good guys is now of no concern, there are no hearts and minds left to be won, people have made up their mind.

Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: BG on February 14, 2019, 11:12:05 AM
Probably not.  A different organisation (Football Conference) but I was dealing with Margate FC and they were given every opportunity to comply; deadlines were extended and extended again, then after they demolished their stadium they were allowed to switch grounds to Maidstone at short notice and about 40 miles from here.  I would expect the EFL to extend the same to CCFC, so whilst I wouldn't expect them to be playing in Coventry (unless the legal situation changes), I would expect them to be playing in the EFL (probably at Northampton).

However EFL have stated they must play in Coventry - which basically means Ricoh or Cov. Rugby. 

I would imagine that if they submit stadium details late they could start with a points deduction and/or fine. However the EFL will probably then relent and allow them to play outside Cov.

If they haven't submitted stadium details before fixtures are ready to be drawn-up they will be relegated out of the EFL.

I've read the same.. that EFL have stipulated that CCFC have to play in or near Cov (would Nuneaton or Hinckley count?). Or is this just EFL making a statement to try and force a resolution.

I believe Northampton FC have said they don't want to host CCFC again and the owner/investor of Coventry RFC has already said the same (whilst SISU are still involved).

It seems CCFC, well the companies that are behind it, are burning bridges with everyone they deal with, which makes you wonder about how they (SISU) run their normal day to day activities in their normal line of work
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Marlow Nick on February 15, 2019, 07:09:03 AM
I'm sure EFL would be flexible. no one wants to be accused of destroying the club. Look at Spurs who are not playing at the ground they nominated and are having to make do with Wembley
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Trevs Big Tackle on February 15, 2019, 09:35:42 AM
Spurs have a clear reason for why they are playing at Wembley and an achievable end-game and strategy for when they will stop playing there - when their under construction stadium is complete.

CCFC will rock up at the EFL and explain how they have systematically alienated all potential stadium owners in the area following their history of withholding payment and continued litigation. They have no funding in place to build their own stadium or any other plan to end the "temporary" move away from Coventry. It's possible EFL won't be as sympathetic to CCFCs situation as they are to Tottenham's.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: RogerE on February 15, 2019, 11:17:04 AM
EFL "only" have jurisdiction over the Championship and Leagues one and two.

It is the Premiership that Spurs have, not much, to worry about.

Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: RogerE on February 22, 2019, 10:19:18 AM
Just on BBC news the EFL have written to CCFC that they must let them know about next season by first week of March.

Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: jamestaylor002 on February 22, 2019, 10:30:38 AM
Read somewhere (I think it might have been CovLive) was that SISU were thinking of Nuneaton Boro - only to be then told by their owner that it wasn't going to happen...
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: RogerE on February 22, 2019, 10:34:19 AM
Read somewhere (I think it might have been CovLive) was that SISU were thinking of Nuneaton Boro - only to be then told by their owner that it wasn't going to happen...


The Nuneaton ground is owned by owner of another EFL club (Macclesfield?), so EFL wouldn't allow it as a "conflict of interest".
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Chunky24 on February 22, 2019, 10:39:49 AM
Read somewhere (I think it might have been CovLive) was that SISU were thinking of Nuneaton Boro - only to be then told by their owner that it wasn't going to happen...


The Nuneaton ground is owned by owner of another EFL club (Macclesfield?), so EFL wouldn't allow it as a "conflict of interest".

Even more of an issue is the surrounding land owned by the Rugby Club.

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/local-news/nuneaton-borough-liberty-way-groundshare-15491885
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Rossm on February 22, 2019, 10:45:18 AM
Extracted from an article in the Coventry Telegraph dated yesterday (21.02.19).

Rumours have been rife among supporters that  Coventry City’s owners, Sisu will turn to Nuneaton Borough's ground as a Plan B if they fail to secure a new deal to continue playing at the Ricoh Arena.

But the owner of the Boro ground Norman Smurthwaite has dismissed the possibility of Coventry City playing their games at Liberty way saying he has never discussed it with anyone at the club and "there’s no truth in it whatsoever".
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Rossm on February 22, 2019, 10:56:19 AM
CCFC club statement here:

https://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/2019/february/statement-coventry-city-confirm-receipt-of-letter-from-the-efl-board/ (https://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/2019/february/statement-coventry-city-confirm-receipt-of-letter-from-the-efl-board/)

No mention of why they might be homeless: legals and/or SISU.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: jamestaylor002 on February 22, 2019, 10:58:07 AM
Read somewhere (I think it might have been CovLive) was that SISU were thinking of Nuneaton Boro - only to be then told by their owner that it wasn't going to happen...


The Nuneaton ground is owned by owner of another EFL club (Macclesfield?), so EFL wouldn't allow it as a "conflict of interest".

Even more of an issue is the surrounding land owned by the Rugby Club.

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/local-news/nuneaton-borough-liberty-way-groundshare-15491885

Sounds all nice and messy!
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Heathen on February 22, 2019, 11:08:07 AM
CCFC club statement here:

https://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/2019/february/statement-coventry-city-confirm-receipt-of-letter-from-the-efl-board/ (https://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/2019/february/statement-coventry-city-confirm-receipt-of-letter-from-the-efl-board/)

No mention of why they might be homeless: legals and/or SISU.

Would you really expect CCFC to comment on the legals/SISU when they are one and the same entity?
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Rossm on February 22, 2019, 11:26:03 AM
CCFC club statement here:

https://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/2019/february/statement-coventry-city-confirm-receipt-of-letter-from-the-efl-board/ (https://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/2019/february/statement-coventry-city-confirm-receipt-of-letter-from-the-efl-board/)

No mention of why they might be homeless: legals and/or SISU.

Would you really expect CCFC to comment on the legals/SISU when they are one and the same entity?

No I didn't expect them to comment. Hoped they might tho........
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Rossm on February 22, 2019, 11:33:29 AM
For your information from the Sky Blues Trust:

Part 1 - 12.02.19
http://www.coventrycity-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/sbt__fact_or_fiction_myth_or_truth_part_1_925344/index.shtml (http://www.coventrycity-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/sbt__fact_or_fiction_myth_or_truth_part_1_925344/index.shtml)

Part 2 - 21.02.19
http://www.skybluetrust.co.uk/index.php/114-latest-news/655-fact-or-fiction-myth-or-truth-part-2-21st-february-2019 (http://www.skybluetrust.co.uk/index.php/114-latest-news/655-fact-or-fiction-myth-or-truth-part-2-21st-february-2019)
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Neils on February 22, 2019, 11:59:52 AM
Boiling to a head now.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Trevs Big Tackle on February 22, 2019, 12:08:48 PM
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Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Rossm on February 22, 2019, 12:52:33 PM
Nick Eastwood issues a statement today:

We have been clear and consistent about our message to the owners of Coventry City Football Club.

When we agreed a one year extension for them to play at the Ricoh Arena we said we would only open negotiations again once they had permanently halted their legal action.

We hope they take that course of action as the EFL have also made their position clear.

It is in the owners’ gift to resolve this for the benefit of all, especially their own supporters.


Wasps remain adamant.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Neils on February 22, 2019, 01:06:14 PM
Well said Nick. Very plain. SBT going into meltdown. Whole thing is sad.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Rossm on February 22, 2019, 01:30:12 PM
Council response:

A joint statement from Leader of Coventry City Council Councillor George Duggins and Coun Allan Andrews, acting leader of the opposition Conservative group, says: “Coventry City Council has been clear in its message for more than two years now – we are willing to talk to the football club once the legal process has ended.

“The football club keeps saying it wants to meet with us but what would the purpose of the meeting be?

“If it is to come and tell us what the football club means to the people of this city then we are already well aware of that.

“If it is to say that they do not have the power to stop the legal process then what is the point of the meeting?

“What is noticeable from the football club’s statement following the EFL’s announcement today is the complete lack of any mention of their owners or their role in this.

“The club seems to think that everyone apart from SISU has a responsibility for the future of the football club yet we all know it has always been in their gift to end this.

“We suggest that rather than coming to meet us, the football club lobbies SISU to take responsibility and end this long and drawn out process so we can all move on.”


Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: BG on February 22, 2019, 01:34:08 PM
The various statements from CCFC's interested parties come across as them expecting other parties to bend over backwards to help them out but almost every local club (owner) will know the history of how they got to this point and understandably probably won't want to deal with Sisu and the various Ltd companies.

Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Neils on February 22, 2019, 02:00:51 PM
Council response:

A joint statement from Leader of Coventry City Council Councillor George Duggins and Coun Allan Andrews, acting leader of the opposition Conservative group, says: “Coventry City Council has been clear in its message for more than two years now – we are willing to talk to the football club once the legal process has ended.

“The football club keeps saying it wants to meet with us but what would the purpose of the meeting be?

“If it is to come and tell us what the football club means to the people of this city then we are already well aware of that.

“If it is to say that they do not have the power to stop the legal process then what is the point of the meeting?

“What is noticeable from the football club’s statement following the EFL’s announcement today is the complete lack of any mention of their owners or their role in this.

“The club seems to think that everyone apart from SISU has a responsibility for the future of the football club yet we all know it has always been in their gift to end this.

“We suggest that rather than coming to meet us, the football club lobbies SISU to take responsibility and end this long and drawn out process so we can all move on.”


What a clear statement!
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: AKWasp on February 22, 2019, 02:24:41 PM
‘All parties now need to work together for good of Coventry City Football Club, its supporters, the Ricoh Arena, the City of Coventry and our community – the continued future of the Football Club needs to be everyone’s focus to prevent more heartache and worry.’

That from CCFC sums up their stance. However what should happen is all parties should work together for the good of everyone involved. The litigation and legal action has already caused too much heartache and worry for both clubs not just CCFC.

I’m glad that both the council and Wasps have kept a very clear, strong stance.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Neils on February 22, 2019, 02:36:28 PM
CCFC are playing to their own audience - most of whom are not thick.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Trevs Big Tackle on February 22, 2019, 02:38:40 PM
"All parties now need to work together for good of Coventry City Football Club, its supporters, the Ricoh Arena, the City of Coventry and our community..."

Someone seems to be missing from their list there... Begins with a W...
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: jamestaylor002 on February 22, 2019, 02:39:32 PM
"All parties now need to work together for good of Coventry City Football Club, its supporters, the Ricoh Arena, the City of Coventry and our community..."

Someone seems to be missing from their list there... Begins with a W...

Agreed - I'm getting a bit tired of the narrative from a few that says Wasps are the "bad guys".
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Rossm on February 25, 2019, 01:57:23 PM
The EFL have given CCFC a deadline of March 5th to clarify their position. That's a week tomorrow.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: BG on February 25, 2019, 03:46:45 PM
The EFL have given CCFC a deadline of March 5th to clarify their position. That's a week tomorrow.

I wonder how much SISU have pumped into CCFC ? They are about to lose it all, which their investors won't be happy about. SISU spend other peoples' money on the promise of making a profit.

I doubt Joy has the type of money to pay those investors back so at the very least she, as well as SISU, will be blackballed by future investors.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Neils on February 25, 2019, 03:52:55 PM
They seem to have split the training ground at Ryton away from the footy club so could hold onto that as a development. Probably nothing like money spent but might be used as an offset arguement with investors.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: BG on February 25, 2019, 08:46:13 PM
They seem to have split the training ground at Ryton away from the footy club so could hold onto that as a development. Probably nothing like money spent but might be used as an offset arguement with investors.

Do they own the training ground at Ryton though?
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Neils on February 25, 2019, 08:57:01 PM
The avro bit of SISU apparently do.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: BG on February 25, 2019, 09:05:36 PM
The avro bit of SISU apparently do.

AVRO?


Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Neils on February 25, 2019, 09:10:30 PM
One of the SISU shell companies wrapped up in the process. Another is Otium. There is a third called something like sbs&l.
Title: Re: Nick Eastwood's update on Sky Blues situation - basically no change.
Post by: Neils on February 25, 2019, 09:14:20 PM
All three are the items asking for permission to appeal currently.