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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Morning All
« on: January 12, 2019, 11:28:46 AM »
Best wishes to you all.
I think we might really nab this one....

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Teams Up
« on: January 11, 2019, 05:14:02 PM »
Matthews still can't get a start... People here rate his performances quite highly vis a vis the other non Gaskell/Launch options we have had this year. Dai obv does not feel that way.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: MM and AC
« on: January 11, 2019, 05:08:53 PM »
My thoughts exactly. Normally when someone moves on they say why....it does not say he is quitting rugby, I would infer that there is another club coming in for him (perhaps unannounced as a courtesy by Wasps to the other club) , or he has offers from more than one club and is considering, or things are so bad at Wasps with him and Dai that being paid to be injured is worse than not being paid, which is unlikely to say the least,  as paid is better than not. Maybe it is an insurance or legal  thing, have there ever been contracts where they run out in Jan or can be terminated early?

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Dai's Dilemma This Weekend at The Rec.
« on: January 11, 2019, 09:21:40 AM »
For me Nathan will be away with England soon, so he should play if possible. Carr is more valuable to us being needed by us for important prem games in mid Feb. Shields will be in a similar position, but there is not the obvious replacement of similar qualities.



Launch needs game time I guess?

Young we need in cotton wool, he has been outstanding in defeat and victory, posters saying the whole team are underperforming really were not giving him full credit.

I agree with the article on nine and ten, but with the caveat that the slightest knock they should be hooked.

The season structure is balls, we get two weeks of Euro and have to wait till mid February for our league to restart. Six weeks with competitions we are out of and rest weeks.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Mick Cleary Writes in the Telegraph (Long)
« on: January 08, 2019, 03:48:45 PM »
Do we know Wilson would have done a great job? He is rated highly by some, but in coaching terms he is very much "up and coming" rather than established.
It would be interesting to see what effect he would have had in a parallel universe.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Mick Cleary Writes in the Telegraph (Long)
« on: January 06, 2019, 01:12:52 PM »
Absolutely. It is how it is said, politeness costs nothing.

Disagreement is fine, as long as it is polite, not full of "I told you so" and posts that just say "You are wrong/stupid/not worth arguing with" and nothing else.


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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Good morning all.
« on: January 06, 2019, 09:25:36 AM »
Morning everyone.
I think the W will come today.


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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Mick Cleary Writes in the Telegraph (Long)
« on: January 06, 2019, 01:10:47 AM »
There are definitely people with agendas there, and a couple whose dogs must have been run over by Dai on his way to seduce their wife.... :)
Costello too seems as welcome as fresh vomit straight from the devil's backside for some.

But nobody is wrong all the time, and there is some substance, or at least some valid questions to be asked, if we dig through the hyperbole.

I actually like some interventions by other club supporters, as long as they are respectfully put and not trolling, and there are posters there who make consistently good points and several who make me laugh (in a positive way).

I think when we get our W the world will seem better to all, people will be much more positive when the sun shines.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Mick Cleary Writes in the Telegraph (Long)
« on: January 05, 2019, 10:03:23 PM »
I think the win will come. I am expecting it tomorrow, as I have said elsewhere on this site and DW. The article makes some good points.

I do think the persistent complaints about DW are childish and tiresome, and (I don't mean the OP in this case, more the general comments around the board) . I don't remotely agree with calls for Dai's head, but a small minority of the people I find in my camp have not tried to engage with the views, merely carping from the sidelines about how reasonable they are and how stupid the other lot are, which is neither constructive nor reasoned. It serves to alienate rather than unify and seems to be antithetical to the point of a public forum.
I can live with those calling for Dai's head, and I am not going to call them unreasoned or whatever for having the temerity to disagree with me.




 




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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: More 'News' on Daly's move to Sarries
« on: January 05, 2019, 01:52:01 PM »
The interesting thing will be how we react post 6N.

The temptation is to extract maximum value and play him in every game or to drop him as Dai did with Varndell.  It is very different to someone who has a had a contract run down and signed for someone else, he is using a clause to gain release if reports are to be believed.
Another more mischievous thing would be to release him directly to Sarries, as Quins did with Yarde to Sale, albeit for different reasons.  Somebody there would lose their place. Goode et al might think they will be fine next year, suddenly losing a place to accommodate Daly might concentrate their mind.



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I think the W will come soon. There were plenty of reasons to be positive in the Quins game after HT....

I don't want to lose Dai, although long term I am worried by his slightly cryptic allusions and hints towards a change of style being necessary.I guess it will all play out and we end up where we will,  but as long as the bonus system rewards 4 tries it is in our interest to play high scoring games. Every team loses games, and we may have lost some from seemingly impregnable positions but we had some stunning comebacks too. Rob Smith noted that you can get 44 points a year without winning or drawing even a single match when discussing the benefits of our style these past few years, which is staggering if you think about it......

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Second row
« on: January 05, 2019, 12:26:53 AM »
I suggested one recruitment in the back row and one second row. It is pretty clear to me, so you are willfully misreading or simply in error to suggest I was saying we should have recruited no back row players. I did not say we should not have recruited in the back row. It sounds to me like you are building a straw man to attack rather than my actual suggestion. I never said we weren't under-performing. I said the whole team is not under-performing, I said there were positive aspects.


If you are taking internationals into account, we lose Launch,  just like we lose Nathan. We still had Willises, I am aware they are at different levels of development, one is in my view better than Haskell was last year.

Ashley gives flexibility, you might think he is just a "back up two", but Dai clearly plays him where he is needed.


You are welcome to disagree on "all my other points" but I made a lot of points in the thread. So how about we take some?

Do you think Myall's strength is pace and lineout work as I do? If not what is?

Do you think Tom Young has been outstanding in defeat?  How would you describe his performances if you disagree with me?

I stated Wasps are inferior to Sarries in the second row. Do you in fact think Wasps have a better second row than Sarries? I am particularly looking forward to hearing your response on this one.

I said Sarries have four equally high quality locks. Do you not think so?

Do you think Carr's breaks were not a positive aspect?

Do you actually think my picking out of positives from the game was wrong? Do you think I have the wrong positives or do you think there are simply no positives?

I praised Shield's work rate as a positive. How would you describe it?

I acknowledged Sarries have a  strong academy. How would you describe it if not strong?

I suggested we go shopping for a second row next year, do you not think we need one?

I don't think you really do disagree with me on all my points, do you? You disagree with one, clearly, and frankly you had to alter that beyond what I actually said in order to make your opposition sound more reasonable.  Regardless, I will leave it at that, there is little point in continuing the discussion unless you actually do wish to answer some of the questions above and discuss further.



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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Teams Up
« on: January 04, 2019, 01:57:18 PM »
I will take this team.

Got a feeling although one win will often bring two it simply won't happen the way the fixtures are. If we get this victory we can breathe a bit easier.

The next block is during the 6n, that is where we can start to get some momentum.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Second row
« on: January 03, 2019, 08:57:59 PM »
Should also say that Myall's strength has been his pace and lineout, and as such is ideal as a replacement.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Second row
« on: January 03, 2019, 08:54:36 PM »
My point is you could easily look at our back row and go "wow, how do they afford it"?
The comparison I make with Chiefs and Sarries, they all have 4 locks of similar standard. I don't see the point of comparing to the other nine clubs, as any one of them could be facing the drop.   
We choose where we put our resources. Sarries maintain theirs by having relatively weak links elsewhere, and yes, they do have a strong programme and talent coming up, but they chose to recruit in the lock slot as well, despite the talent they did have.

We chose to recruit both Shields and Carr this year, despite Willisx2, Young, Reider, Hughes, Ashley. You could argue we could have recruited on an either/or basis and gone after a lock. Maybe we did and their were none about, but next year there will be you would think.

Looking at the Bath  game I would say Kruis and Skelton with Myall to replace them would have added a hell of a lot to us.
The whole team is under-performing...? Actually I am not so sure about that. Looking at our scrum v Quins,   the back row performance of Young in particular, Shields' workrate, Carrs' breaks, the work we have seen from our props around the field. There have been positive aspects. Its just that our second row to me at least looks perpetually under-powered and, actually, knackered. 


 

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