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Re: Saracens docked 35 points
« Reply #225 on: November 13, 2019, 09:30:09 AM »
What did Jim say/do on Saturday on BT Sport?

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Re: Saracens docked 35 points
« Reply #226 on: November 13, 2019, 09:36:43 AM »
Jim Hamilton is a joke given his behaviour at Gloucester on Saturday and then on the rugby pod this week. Even Chris Ashton was not that painful when interviewed about the situation. Saracens PR machine is in overdrive and is clutching.

I missed that, what happened?

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Re: Saracens docked 35 points
« Reply #227 on: November 13, 2019, 03:28:22 PM »
I canít repeat it my thumbs wonít let me.

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Re: Saracens docked 35 points
« Reply #228 on: November 13, 2019, 03:40:57 PM »

I've got a bad feeling about all this guys

No doubt about it, Saracens have cheated. Plain and simple.

However, while CVC will be wanting an even competition, they'll be wanting a competition they can grow and that will be worth good money.

With that comes the need to have players and clubs who have a high profile.
I wouldn't be surprised if CVC don't want to remove or at least significantly increase the salary cap anyway, and this may be seen as a way for it to happen.


It's a gamble, but I suspect it's one they have already invested in.
I think we'll see Saracens let off more lightly than we'd all want in the name of "growing the game"

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Re: Saracens docked 35 points
« Reply #229 on: November 13, 2019, 03:47:41 PM »
But a league dominated by one or maybe two teams is a poor spectacle, especially if that team is a known cheat.

Upping the cap could easily result in clubs going to the wall which is also a bad look, unless CVS are going to find teams (which their track record in other sports suggests they won't).

I suspect CVS will keep out of it to a large extent.

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Re: Saracens docked 35 points
« Reply #230 on: November 13, 2019, 04:42:45 PM »
Totes agree rifle.
With profits non existent, who wants to dip further into their piggy bank..we'll end up with a league of 3 teams.
CVC are partners and aren't in a position to start calling any shots anyway.

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Re: Saracens docked 35 points
« Reply #231 on: November 13, 2019, 06:27:01 PM »
If the cap was lifted $aracens will find out they are not the ones with the deepest pockets in the league! I'd like to see Wray's face at the next round of contract renewals!

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Re: Saracens docked 35 points
« Reply #232 on: November 13, 2019, 06:38:51 PM »
There is a point that the deepness doesn't matter, if your hand can go deep enough that'll do.
You wouldnt need deep pockets anyway, every other team owner would walk away or go bust and it would be a league of Bath, Salaries and Bristol.
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Re: Saracens docked 35 points
« Reply #233 on: November 13, 2019, 06:48:23 PM »
There is a point that the deepness doesn't matter, if your hand can go deep enough that'll do.
You would need deep pockets anyway, every other team owner would walk away or go bust and it would be a league of Bath, Salaries and Bristol.
It would end up a lot like the Premiership in football but without the constant tramping up and hype that the media provide. A league where you know the winner will be the Cheats, Bath or Bristol will hardly be enthralling. At least the play offs will give one team (probably Exeter) a punchers chance in knock out games.

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Re: Saracens docked 35 points
« Reply #234 on: November 13, 2019, 07:40:15 PM »
I was suggesting that it would a league of 3, total. I'd expect others without the hundreds of millions to just walk and call it a day...whats the point.

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Re: Saracens docked 35 points
« Reply #235 on: November 13, 2019, 07:54:04 PM »
Maybe, either way it would be crap viewing.

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Re: Saracens docked 35 points
« Reply #236 on: November 13, 2019, 08:13:22 PM »
I havent seen anything but wonder if any rugby nauses have taken the time to pull finances from companies house to see what sort of numbers we are talking about...the reason i say this is today House of Rugby podcast discusses the situation. Rob Vickerman quite firmly says that the part that pisses him off is the lable that Wray has the offence to pin to the cheating.
He rightly points out that it has nothing to do with welfare as the co op's are only with his top players, not the squad. He also goes on to say he has pulled some data from Companies house and that Maro's company went and bought a 1.5million property, Faz has a 750k one. These are big numbers today, I hate to think what these will be worth in 10 years and if they even stop at just one investment.
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Re: Saracens docked 35 points
« Reply #237 on: November 13, 2019, 08:18:18 PM »
If the cap were lifted the game would descend into a ridiculous state of affairs. The only thing worse would be to keep the cap and not enforce it - not that that would ever happen.  ::)

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Re: Saracens docked 35 points
« Reply #238 on: November 13, 2019, 09:07:09 PM »
Saracens step up PR campaign. They haven't yet lodged their appeal - just bought themselves another week. Loz says it doesn't matter they weren't liked anyway.

No sign of contrition anywhere.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50407548

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Re: Saracens docked 35 points
« Reply #239 on: November 13, 2019, 10:43:55 PM »
But a league dominated by one or maybe two teams is a poor spectacle, especially if that team is a known cheat.

Upping the cap could easily result in clubs going to the wall which is also a bad look, unless CVS are going to find teams (which their track record in other sports suggests they won't).

I suspect CVS will keep out of it to a large extent.

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Absolutely. Their (cvc) record is one of distance on this sort of thing.

The fear we all have may not come to pass. I think the other owners are determined, and for all their tame journos, Sarries will be, to put it bluntly, fucked on 'appeal' /review which will stand the original verdict. We think they will get away with it like last time, but this time the will seems to be there. I hope I am right.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2019, 10:49:12 PM by westwaleswasp »