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Re: Munster still in SA
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2021, 12:40:21 PM »
What has already been done will have far reaching consequences. Each time this type of reaction happens, sports franchises will become increasingly averse to crossing borders. The financial costs and risks will be too high to bear, and I doubt insurance underwriters will want to get involved. This time it was South Africa. Next time the new variant might be here, Italy, USA, who knows?

Tourism will also take a hit, with sufficient people becoming increasingly averse to booking in advance such that airlines, airports, car hire, hotels will be tipped over the financial edge. They were already teetering, some already in administration.

IF, and it is IF, governments want the economic system we had to continue, they cannot perform these sudden lockdowns, indeed probably cannot do lockdowns at all. But, governments are about expediency, looking to the next election.
And they only delay the inevitable unless you can do what NZ and Aus has done, and even they are just delaying it.

The WHO is against travel bans because they think if countries get treated in this way they won't report disease outbreaks. South Africa is in effect being punished for carrying out the sequencing (one of the leaders in this field) and warning the rest of the world.

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Re: Munster still in SA
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2021, 01:08:42 PM »
Is South Africa actually in lockdown? If the teams are out there and it is a case of no flights out, why not play the games now? Presume they are following strict protocols and in hotel bubbles. If it already means first round euro games will be affected by quarantine,bite the bullet , get the games over with by playing midweek and next Saturday/Sunday then fly back . Will save disruption later in season

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Re: Munster still in SA
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2021, 01:11:47 PM »
Going OT.

Risk of the virus spreading and the lethality of the virus should be the key issues in the decision making process.

Politicians will always want to add their two penneth.

In the Sunday Times today, there is an article regarding an IC doctor. She says that 95% of her patients are unvaccinated. That alone should send out the alarms bells. But, some citizens seem to be blinkered and do not care. It's almost as if it is a badge of honour to some of them, but in reality, they could be signing their own death warrants.

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Re: Munster still in SA
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2021, 01:45:24 PM »
Munster have a positive too apparently so abandoning their plans to join other teams in flying out

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2021/11/28/travel-update/
« Last Edit: November 28, 2021, 01:47:03 PM by Chunky24 »

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Re: Munster still in SA
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2021, 01:57:16 PM »
Munster have a positive too apparently so abandoning their plans to join other teams in flying out

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2021/11/28/travel-update/

Has to suggest our home match is in serious doubt.

Next home match could be the Boxing Day one.
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Re: Munster still in SA
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2021, 02:46:56 PM »

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Re: Munster still in SA
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2021, 03:54:00 PM »
With Cardiff and Munster, this is somewhat predictable. With such low rates of vaccination in SA, the wisdom of a league requiring travel there is questionable at best. Makes me wonder about the other teams.

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Re: Munster still in SA
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2021, 04:26:33 PM »

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Re: Munster still in SA
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2021, 04:34:58 PM »
With Cardiff and Munster, this is somewhat predictable. With such low rates of vaccination in SA, the wisdom of a league requiring travel there is questionable at best. Makes me wonder about the other teams.

I would add that one would expect that some members of the Scarletts team now on its way home by plane will test positive pretty soon after they land.

Listening to the doctor who first reported this variant, she was seeing a flood of people with same symptoms coming in to her clinic. No loss of sense of smell or taste, just a scratchy cough, aching joints, feeling tired. She pointed out that nobody had been admitted to hospital, and no one is seriously ill. That is good news. But, she did intimate that with the numbers they are seeing, this version has been around for a while. So, it will be here in numbers already.

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Re: Munster still in SA
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2021, 05:03:15 PM »
With Cardiff and Munster, this is somewhat predictable. With such low rates of vaccination in SA, the wisdom of a league requiring travel there is questionable at best. Makes me wonder about the other teams.

I would add that one would expect that some members of the Scarletts team now on its way home by plane will test positive pretty soon after they land.

Listening to the doctor who first reported this variant, she was seeing a flood of people with same symptoms coming in to her clinic. No loss of sense of smell or taste, just a scratchy cough, aching joints, feeling tired. She pointed out that nobody had been admitted to hospital, and no one is seriously ill. That is good news. But, she did intimate that with the numbers they are seeing, this version has been around for a while. So, it will be here in numbers already.
Indeed, as we keep being told that you can be infected and symptom free its hard to imagine it not being here in large numbers if its as transmissible as claimed.

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Re: Munster still in SA
« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2021, 11:21:09 PM »

Listening to the doctor who first reported this variant, she was seeing a flood of people with same symptoms coming in to her clinic. No loss of sense of smell or taste, just a scratchy cough, aching joints, feeling tired. She pointed out that nobody had been admitted to hospital, and no one is seriously ill. That is good news. But, she did intimate that with the numbers they are seeing, this version has been around for a while. So, it will be here in numbers already.

I've felt like this for months! Treble jabbed. LFT every week. I think it's the onset of Winter!!!

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Re: Munster still in SA
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2021, 06:15:24 AM »
I think if it lasts more than a week, it is GOMS.

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Re: Munster still in SA
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2021, 07:34:14 AM »
There is also a variant strain  of GOMS .....GOWS  (work it out).

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Re: Munster still in SA
« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2021, 08:08:45 AM »
I think if it lasts more than a week, it is GOMS.

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Re: Munster still in SA
« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2021, 08:58:34 AM »
Going OT.

Risk of the virus spreading and the lethality of the virus should be the key issues in the decision making process.

Politicians will always want to add their two penneth.

In the Sunday Times today, there is an article regarding an IC doctor. She says that 95% of her patients are unvaccinated. That alone should send out the alarms bells. But, some citizens seem to be blinkered and do not care. It's almost as if it is a badge of honour to some of them, but in reality, they could be signing their own death warrants.

A new varient related to Covid was always going to garner concern and panic as the media would be guaranteed to jump on the story immediately and using titles and headlines with key words dedicated to causing alarm.

What is sad is that by throwing that out in the first instance, the key messages and counter balance is lost to the casual viewer as their anxiety is already heightened, thus the amygdala in the brain "hijacks" our emotional response...and what more anxiety causing than a pandemic!

I would counter this concern with regards to the Omicron variant. The name personalizes it, however this was always going to happen as this is how viruses behave. It happens all the time in nature as they want to survive and thrive. Yes they can mutate to something more serious, however they also mutate to become more infective and less severe, as there is no point bumping off your hosts as they will also be eradicated as well.

We also have this every season with Influenza. Flu variants emerge at a speedier ratio of 2:1 when compared with Coronavirus. And every year we track the most likely strain to be dominant in society and vaccinate for it. Some years are worse than others in regards to illness and mortality (kicking the bucket), others are much less severe. We never splash this all over the media and giving it names to personalize it, nor do we suddenly shut society down due to this, and we should not for covid, because as sure as night follows day, we will have a new dominant strain next year of both covid and influenza.

What is great is we know what covid is at a genetic sequencing level, we have genomic sequencing to track any varients, and we have pharmaceutical agencies who can adjust their vaccines to cover for the dominant strain.......just like influenza. This is not to play down the impact of this pandemic, I would never do that, as I would not the H5 N1/Spanish flu pandemic, or the Influenza epidemic of 2013 which we estimate caused 33,000 deaths at an average of 300-400 per day in the UK. But we must learn to live without fear, as to hide away, repeat hugely damaging lockdowns that affect massively both health and the economy is no way to live at all.

I will continue to practice hand washing, mask wearing & vaccine taking approaches (and improve my exercise again)...But we should all live, spend time with friends, families, and fellow rugby and Wasps supporters, and seek out the joys of life in companionship, friendship and love...otherwise we would miss out on spending time with people with GOMS like our own NWW!  ;D

Now I am off to worry about how we are going to beat Worcester this weekend!!!!