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Lyon v Wasps: Post Match Thoughts.
« on: May 14, 2022, 02:38:23 PM »
Team tried hard, but right result in the end.

Back division a growing problem.

Big games = narrower margins = mistakes magnified.

The boys gave it their collective all, however the right team won in the end. Lyon may have the larger budget but they took their chances, and left one or two out there as well. But the second forty showed what we need to do to make the next step up.
One big evolving problem though is our backs, and this is one for the coaches to own. We have lost precision and threat, and to my mind it comes down to a complete lack of clarity in selection and how they are set up. Fekitoa is out of form and our lack of a 15 has really exposed us. You cannot play 10s and wings at 15, with scrum halves on the wing without losing out. And the knock ons, lack of authority under the kicks, and poor defence in the wider channels are there for all to see. The passes off 9-10-12 lacked accuracy and consideration with knock on after knock on. Again today nothing looked smooth, everything looked forced, and there was no cohesive play or control, this again is a coaching issue and probably reflects a group of coaches not singing off the same hymn sheet. In contrast the forwards are making strides forward and look stronger than many a season before and that is to their credit.

Lee et al now have to bust a gut to get into the top 8. The coaching team have been together long enough to realise that another season without silverware should see their end. Wasps as a club need to recognise they are underperforming and with the facilities at their disposal that there are now no more excuses.

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Re: Lyon v Wasps: Post Match Thoughts.
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2022, 02:40:37 PM »
As Hugo said afterwards, we’ve lost by 2 points - with all of our errors we could have had that.

Yes Jimmy missed a kick but they missed a simple one too. Hopefully it’ll help us grow and we can learn from this.

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Re: Lyon v Wasps: Post Match Thoughts.
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2022, 02:42:13 PM »
Spink has to play if fit. Kibridge is not a 15 and doesn't show an awful lot of interest. Tom Willis should be at 8. The rest God knows.

I fear that the rest of the season will be barren from here in.
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Re: Lyon v Wasps: Post Match Thoughts.
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2022, 02:46:37 PM »
I only watched the last 15 mins, but I thought we looked promising. Having the muscle of the French, but the backs, dear god. I keep saying it, we need to sort out the backs for next season. The forwards look stellar, backs not so much. And I don't blame the players.

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Re: Lyon v Wasps: Post Match Thoughts.
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2022, 02:51:36 PM »
Loads of positives for me. Alo and West good again. Line out went well. Our back row is were brilliant again. I thought Atkinson and Robson were both better today. Umaga did what Umaga does - good moments balanced by poor ones. We certainly need a specialist 15 and some more impact on the wings. Mistakes in the heat cost us. I thought Gopperth’s game showed why he can’t go on forever at 12. We could easily have won but just lacked composure in a couple of key moments. Kibirige must be off - he looked like he had lost loads of pace when two years ago he’d have blitzed in from that chance he had. Monumental effort in the circumstances - we’re capable of competing towards the top table. Also, thought Frank Murphy was excellent.

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Re: Lyon v Wasps: Post Match Thoughts.
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2022, 02:52:55 PM »
Well, next year we won't have Jimmy or Mala which will be IMO a good thing. Jimmy is clearly not the player he was and even at 12 he's a bit of a bottleneck. Mala has been lacking form and opportunity. Getting slow poor ball from Jimmy must have something to do with it. I don't think Gopps will have much fun at Tiggs.
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Re: Lyon v Wasps: Post Match Thoughts.
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2022, 02:58:59 PM »
Its hard to argue that the backs are now the problem and not exploiting the platform the forwards are starting to build and that will only get better next season.

Josh is a great defensive winger who tackles hard and chases harder and what we need is a winger who makes his own space on the other wing, and we have a whole thread on someone who fits that bill. Feks going will be a blessing, it must be hard for a coach not to pick him in these situations (I'm reminded of the old saw from the '70s, nobody go sacked for buying IBM) but he's never really lived up to his promise.

I'm a bit worried about Joe, he doesn't seem to have got back to his best and doesn't look comfortable, I hope he isn't getting gun shy after his injury. He doesn't seem to be leading the team like he did before the injury and on top of that Brad doesn't appear to be having the great games he had when Joe was out. It could be that Brad is just tired after his super human efforts.




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Re: Lyon v Wasps: Post Match Thoughts.
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2022, 03:01:32 PM »
Well, next year we won't have Jimmy or Mala which will be IMO a good thing. Jimmy is clearly not the player he was and even at 12 he's a bit of a bottleneck. Mala has been lacking form and opportunity. Getting slow poor ball from Jimmy must have something to do with it. I don't think Gopps will have much fun at Tiggs.

+1 about Jimmy. I was going to make a similar comment. I think losing him will force a change in strategy in the backs. It will be a bit strange without him at first though.

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Re: Lyon v Wasps: Post Match Thoughts.
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2022, 03:03:58 PM »
Well, next year we won't have Jimmy or Mala which will be IMO a good thing. Jimmy is clearly not the player he was and even at 12 he's a bit of a bottleneck. Mala has been lacking form and opportunity. Getting slow poor ball from Jimmy must have something to do with it. I don't think Gopps will have much fun at Tiggs.

+1 about Jimmy. I was going to make a similar comment. I think losing him will force a change in strategy in the backs. It will be a bit strange without him at first though.

Ollie Hartley and Sam Spink starting centres maybe??

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Re: Lyon v Wasps: Post Match Thoughts.
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2022, 03:06:28 PM »
Well, next year we won't have Jimmy or Mala which will be IMO a good thing. Jimmy is clearly not the player he was and even at 12 he's a bit of a bottleneck. Mala has been lacking form and opportunity. Getting slow poor ball from Jimmy must have something to do with it. I don't think Gopps will have much fun at Tiggs.

+1 about Jimmy. I was going to make a similar comment. I think losing him will force a change in strategy in the backs. It will be a bit strange without him at first though.

Ollie Hartley and Sam Spink starting centres maybe??

Burger Odendaal will be one.
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Re: Lyon v Wasps: Post Match Thoughts.
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2022, 03:08:03 PM »
Well, next year we won't have Jimmy or Mala which will be IMO a good thing. Jimmy is clearly not the player he was and even at 12 he's a bit of a bottleneck. Mala has been lacking form and opportunity. Getting slow poor ball from Jimmy must have something to do with it. I don't think Gopps will have much fun at Tiggs.

+1 about Jimmy. I was going to make a similar comment. I think losing him will force a change in strategy in the backs. It will be a bit strange without him at first though.

Ollie Hartley and Sam Spink starting centres maybe??

Burger Odendaal will be one.

Completely forgot about him, absolutely Odendaal start Hartley hopefully on the bench.

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Re: Lyon v Wasps: Post Match Thoughts.
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2022, 03:08:13 PM »
Don’t forget we’re getting Odendaal who I think will be a quality addition. We never punch holes or suck anyone in from 12. Odendaal plus Spink or Odogwu  could be a good combination.

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Re: Lyon v Wasps: Post Match Thoughts.
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2022, 03:09:40 PM »
Why are we not picking Mills, is it because he isn't good enough or still injured.

I think Spinks needs to play the last 2 games.

Next season I can still see it being a problem at 10 and 15 and we really do need a winger

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Re: Lyon v Wasps: Post Match Thoughts.
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2022, 03:15:33 PM »
Why are we not picking Mills, is it because he isn't good enough or still injured.

I think Spinks needs to play the last 2 games.

Next season I can still see it being a problem at 10 and 15 and we really do need a winger

Mills is made of glass, it's difficult to justify him starting ahead of others over game time if he cannot have a string of matches.

I agree regarding Spinks and 10, 15 and wing (Wade are you listening?).

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Re: Lyon v Wasps: Post Match Thoughts.
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2022, 03:17:46 PM »
Why are we not picking Mills, is it because he isn't good enough or still injured.

I think Spinks needs to play the last 2 games.

Next season I can still see it being a problem at 10 and 15 and we really do need a winger

I have been pissing in the wind about Spink being set aside for weeks so nice to see people coming on side.

Mills seems to appear for one game and disappear stressed or injured for a couple - total waste of a salary. Brutal but we have little latitude.

There is a former winger around who despite playing padded ball for a while is streets ahead of all of our existing apart from Josh.
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