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Wasps make full back their number one transfer priority
« on: May 18, 2022, 11:21:05 AM »
Five players have worn the number 15 shirt across their last 15 Gallagher Premiership, European Challenge Cup and Premiership Rugby Cup games

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https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/rugby/wasps-make-problem-position-number-23989835
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Re: Wasps make full back their number one transfer priority
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2022, 11:31:44 AM »
We have 2 specialist full backs in the squad. One a 26 year old current international with 20+ caps and one time 6N player of the season, and the other a 24 year old who has played age group rugby for England and was recently called up to train with the senior squad.  Surely they should have that 15 shirt well covered between them, yet neither is getting picked, while others are selected to play there despite it not being their most comfortable position.

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Re: Wasps make full back their number one transfer priority
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2022, 11:44:19 AM »
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Surely they should have that 15 shirt well covered between them, yet neither is getting picked

Obviously the coaching team are not convinced.
I think we've all liked the look of Crossdale, but I think he's like  Billy Searle, the longer he doesn't play, the better he gets in peoples minds. the fact he isn't being given a run when a ten & two wingers are being picked ahead of him means there's something missing as far as the coaches are concerned. I suspect though its more about trying to pick a back line that is balanced, rather than picking the best players available in each position.

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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2022, 12:06:36 PM »
I wonder why Minozzi has not been in favour? not even been given a start to prove himself this season. His injuries only tell half the story.

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Re: Wasps make full back their number one transfer priority
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2022, 12:34:25 PM »



Has Minozzi played particularly well for us since he's been here?
I think the best game I saw from him was on the wing.... But that seems a long while ago




It doesn't feel that Crossdale has had sufficient opportunities to make a decision one way or another... Obviously we don't get to see training etc.






It feels that May is too late to suddenly decide you want a new full back

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Re: Wasps make full back their number one transfer priority
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2022, 12:51:03 PM »


It feels that May is too late to suddenly decide you want a new full back

Definitely this!
Atkinson played there a lot last year, now Umaga (if he’s not a FB afterall then a few people are going to get annoyed at their lack of gametime at 10 next year) Umaga seems to fit the role we want from 15 with an additional playmaker but then Zack coming in seemed to go against this.
Again not convinced we know what we want from our FB.

Watson has played there regularly too and as mentioned Crossdale and Minozzi were signed there and Mehson can play there too. Maybe they’re all seen as wingers.
A decent signing in this area can surely only come from the SH or someone who wants out of France and might be too late in the day now. Not sure 15 is the main problem when 9-14 haven’t been great

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Re: Wasps make full back their number one transfer priority
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2022, 01:09:44 PM »
Crossdale played well in the first game then was awful for the next game.

If they're not doing it in training then why should they be picked.

If we do get a better 15 then umaga will struggle to get game time, unless he starts to improve and is more consistent.

Crossdale and Minozzi need to step up if they want the 15 shirt, like any other professional position, it is earnt not given too.

 

 

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« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2022, 01:31:33 PM »
With the Arundell stuff, i Will try to get Tom Parton.

I think that he is a great player.


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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2022, 01:33:29 PM »
Maybe Jacob expressed an interest in playing FB and they wanted to see how it went before committing to getting a new in?

I seem to remember Minozzi had some mental health problems during Covid, perhaps he’s still not right?

I think that of the current squad Rob Miller is the only one who has played there consistently well and he’s had a few poor games in the past.

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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2022, 03:39:47 PM »
For me Minozzi has never reached anything like the standard we expected. I do wonder why you would come out and state this. Motivationally for those currently in the squad for the next two games (and until we make a signing) it’s pretty much the equivalent of a kick in the teeth.

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« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2022, 03:45:18 PM »
For me Minozzi has never reached anything like the standard we expected. I do wonder why you would come out and state this. Motivationally for those currently in the squad for the next two games (and until we make a signing) it’s pretty much the equivalent of a kick in the teeth.

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« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2022, 03:57:04 PM »
It worries me that the current coaching team can't elevate one of our existing players at 15.
Especially Crossdale.
Umaga too.
That seems to indicate that our coaching team (especially backs coach) haven't got the necessary psychological skills to improve and expand our players' mindsets.
To help them become stronger in their head...and help them find a greater feeling of control.
To banish any fragility they maybe seeing in training or matches.

To be a leading coach these days, you do need some of these skills.
I wonder if Wasps are members of the Grey Matters performance group - or whether they have an excellent psychologist of their own?
(I'll post article below - about Grey Matters).

I reckon we have some quality coaches....but they also have to be very aware of where their deficiencies lie.
There's no point getting frustrated when the younger players can't perform how you want them to...if you're not providing the necessary expertise to improve their psychological strength.
The coaches have to be aware of the gaps that exist in their own knowledge pool, so that they can plug them with outside help and advice.

It's so competitive now in professional rugby....and it becomes tiny margins.
But it always comes down to the quality of thought running through the player's head at any precise moment.
And that can be improved and strengthened, just like any other muscle over the body.

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Re: Wasps make full back their number one transfer priority
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2022, 03:58:52 PM »
Here's that article I referred to....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2022/04/29/inside-network-helping-premiership-coaches-hone-craft-break/

Inside the network helping Premiership coaches hone their craft and break down rugby's fads
The Grey Matters performance group brings together rival coaches to share knowledge and solve problems


Who coaches the coaches? The question is critical to the future of any sport. By the reckoning of Jamie Taylor, who has worked across a vast array of disciplines from football to skateboarding, rugby union’s very nature makes that especially important.

“I think rugby union is one of the most difficult places to coach,” he says. ”If you think about cricket, for example, you have individuals who work in a team but are not that interdependent.

“In rugby union, you have a massive variety of different people with different needs. And they are very interdependent.”

With that rather daunting thought in mind, fans of the 15-a-side code should be encouraged by one of Taylor’s recent pursuits with Mike Ashford and Dave Collins, his colleagues at Grey Matters, the performance consultancy. He is supporting coaches as they sharpen their tools together.

Figures from elite teams around Europe are part of his programme, which comprises regular sessions. He visits clubs to observe these coaches in practice – microphoning them up to review their delivery in training sessions, for instance – and facilitates group calls.

Perhaps most intriguingly, in the context of a Premiership season characterised by a ferociously competitive play-off battle, is the collaboration that has underpinned the latter.

“Four or five of them will sit down,” Taylor explains. “One will say: ‘Here’s a problem I’ve got, no names named, can you help me with this?’ That’s been a really interesting element of it because they are from clubs across the league sharing as much as is appropriate.”

Declan Danaher knows he has a responsibility to his players to “continually improve”. Having joined the backroom staff of London Irish shortly after ending a storied playing career for the Exiles, he has been grateful for different viewpoints within an “incredibly open and incredibly helpful” network. Declan Kidney, Les Kiss and Brad Davis are valued colleagues, yet these discussions have broadened Danaher’s perspective.

“When you work in any environment, sometimes you can’t see the wood for the trees,” he says. “And it’s 24-7, so sometimes it takes an external resource to help give you feedback and solutions.”

Dom Waldouck, the 34-year-old defence coach of Gloucester, praises the “really impactful” virtual gatherings instigated by Taylor, Ashford and Collins.

“We’re all competing with one another on the weekend but we’ll go into the space with self-development in mind and committing to the development of others within that,” adds the former centre.

“The conversations we have are high-level enough to allow us to bounce ideas off one another without compromising the integrity of each other’s clubs.”

'Coaches must be open to new ideas - but ruthlessly sceptical'

Taylor, who previously headed up the Leicester Tigers academy and is currently the set piece coach at Loughborough University, has been a coach mentor for the Premier League and was previously a curriculum lead for the English Institute of Sport. He is an associate professor at Dublin City University and an associate tutor at Edinburgh University. Educational and scientific concepts shape his teaching.

For instance, his group has explored ways of improving cohesion in shorter timeframes by considering shared mental models – “what I know and what you know that helps us work together”, in the words of Taylor.  As he points out, the inherently “unsafe” nature of professional sport means that coaches may find themselves out of a job should they wait five years for cohesion to improve organically.

If coaches are to experiment, Taylor acknowledges that agendas will need to be “meshed together” given their employers’ premium on winning. But tangible results are happening.

Tom Harrison, one of Steve Borthwick’s lieutenants at Leicester, wants each of his forwards to keep in mind a shared idea of “what we’re trying to achieve in each moment of the scrum” – how the pack sets up, the engagement and the contest. Taylor and Ashford have influenced how he relays this.

“We’ve done various things around me having a plan and then taking ideas off players like Dan Cole, Tom Youngs, Julián Montoya,” Harrison adds. “And then it’s how you get younger guys to see that and join up the two bits.”

One of Danaher’s roles at Irish is to prepare a shadow line-up for training runs against the first-team. Each week, he has half an hour to give 15 men a crash-course in the tactics used by that coming weekend’s opponents. It can be “a little bit stressful”, and Danaher has seen players fall apart when their brains are “overloaded”.

Being part of the Grey Matters network has allowed him to streamline messaging. Irish are therefore preparing more effectively for Premiership fixtures. Waldouck has a similarly positive testimony.

“Early on, I was having an issue with a player that kept on making the same mistake,” he remembers. “As a player, coaches typically coached me through video analysis, so that was the approach I was taking.

“Jared Payne [Ulster’s Clermont-bound defence coach] challenged me on that, saying: ‘Your teaching techniques aren’t landing, have you tried anything else?’ That got me thinking about how to approach the issue and getting this idea across to the player.”

Dan Soper, another of Ulster’s coaches, credits Taylor for helping him devise a “framework for decision-making”. It is used by the backs from the province every day, detailing cues on how to read defences and locate space. They refer back to the checklist as they review performances.

Overall, Taylor believes that the quality of coaching in England varies from club to club. He suggests that the vocation is at a “tipping point”, with younger practitioners “becoming aware of how hard the job is” and mindful that they must be “deeply professional” to thrive. Breaking the sport’s “faddy” cycle of imitation is one of his priorities.

“The issue I see is that, particularly if someone from New Zealand does something, everybody copies it,” Taylor says. “The classic example at the moment is everyone breathing twice together in huddles. I don’t think anyone knows why they are doing it.”

By bringing coaches together, and withdrawing the battle lines to share knowledge, he hopes independent thought will flourish.

“You want coaches that are really open to new ideas,” Taylor finishes. “But you also want them to be ruthlessly sceptical and to think critically.”

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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2022, 04:14:18 PM »
Think people are being a bit harsh on minnozi never having a good game in a wasps shirt. He was an important cog in the backline that got as flying up to the table to face Exeter in 2020, and I recall him having plenty of excellent games in that run.

Hes struggled since then for a variety of reasons, but the talent is there.

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« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2022, 04:52:46 PM »
Whilst recognising that Jacob, Crossdale, Meehan and Minozzi have pace & footwork I’m not sure any are dominant under the high ball and sure that none are consistant goal kickers.

If our new 15 isn’t that first choice goal kicker I suspect Will Haydon-Wood is going to get a lot of game time at the expense of Jacob and Charlie.