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PRL not ruling out more suspensions over Finances - Guardian
« on: October 14, 2022, 05:16:36 PM »
Premiership Rugby not ruling out more clubs being suspended over finances

    Wasps takeover in doubt with club set to lose P shares
    ‘I can’t give you a direct answer,’ says PRL chief on other clubs

The Gallagher Premiership 2022-23 season launch
The Gallagher Premiership 2022-23 season launch on 1 September. Worcester are now in administration with Wasps also in dire financial straits. Photograph: Aaron Chown/PA
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Fri 14 Oct 2022 17.00 BST
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Premiership Rugby has refused to rule out more clubs joining Worcester and Wasps in being suspended from the league on financial grounds as league officials grapple with the crisis engulfing the domestic game.

The governing body has also detailed its reasons against allowing Worcester and Wasps to keep their P shares – which entitle clubs to a percentage of the leagues’s income as well as voting rights on key issues – saying “we have to be strong on this and we will be strong”. That stance appears to deliver a hammer blow to Wasps, who are hoping to achieve a quick takeover on the understanding they will not lose their P shares. Without a quick takeover there are fears Wasps, who are due to enter administration on Monday, will go bust.


Premiership Rugby, meanwhile, is attempting to find a path out of the current desperate situation and views greater financial transparency from the clubs and a revamp of the domestic structure as critical to achieving that. In terms of structure, as revealed by the Guardian, it is understood senior officials favour a 10-team league and a fully professional 10-team second tier below it. Permanent change is unlikely to be introduced until 2024-25, however, leaving PRL (Premiership Rugby Limited) trying to navigate the minefield that is the rest of the current campaign and next season.

At present, Worcester have been suspended for the rest of the season and will be relegated at the end of it. Wasps will also be relegated should they go into administration on Monday and their suspension is currently indefinite. It is also understood there are fears over at least one other club’s finances and asked if Worcester and Wasps would be the last, the PRL chief executive, Simon Massie-Taylor, said: “We haven’t been given any direct red flags from clubs but I’ll be really honest and say that until I get complete financial oversight of clubs I can’t give you a direct answer on that.”

With PRL unsure of how many teams will finish the current Premiership season, planning for the following campaign is impossible. The existing plan is for the winners of the Championship to become the 14th Premiership team provided they meet the minimum criteria. With Worcester and probably Wasps set for relegation, however, that will not materialise. Massie-Taylor said: “I think our ambition to move to a 14-team league was short-sighted. We need to look at a lesser number. That is naturally happening at the moment.”

PRL also sought to warn against any expectations that Worcester will make a swift return to the Premiership and suggested the same will go for Wasps unless a takeover can be achieved quickly. It is thought that Wasps must be in position to play their next home game, on 30 October, to avoid suspension for the rest of season. Saturday’s match against Exeter has already been called off and it is understood broadcasters BT Sport have already made alternative arrangements for Wasps’ televised fixture against Leicester on 23 October, suggesting that match will also be scrapped.

Supporters of Wasps and Worcester have launched campaigns urging the other clubs not to invoke their right to buy their P shares, which guarantees central funding and a share of broadcast revenue. The bid for Wasps by a consortium led by the former chief executive David Armstrong is thought to be dependent on the club holding on to its P shares but the PRL chairman, Martyn Phillips, outlined the difficulties in allowing them to do so.

“There is a scenario where a club could just write off all of its debt,” he said. “But then if it retains its P share you then have a league where the vast majority of teams still have significant debt, playing against a team that has no debt but retains the same income as them from the P share. So you have another form of disruption and inequality.


“If we think about it, those teams are very likely to go into the Championship. If they go into the Championship, but then don’t get promoted back to the Premiership, they have to sell that P share. So they could sell that P share at a sizeable profit. So we could sleepwalk into another situation where an owner has acquired something for an amount and sold it for quite a bit more. We have to be strong on this and we will be strong.”

Meanwhile, it is understood that players from Worcester and Wasps – if the latter enter administration – who seek new clubs abroad will be eligible for England selection up until the World Cup in 2023. RFU regulations state that players based outside of England cannot be selected by Eddie Jones but the decision has been made to relax that rule in light of the plight of Wasps and Worcester. That would give players such as Joe Launchbury, Jack Willis, Alfie Barbeary and Ted Hill greater flexibility in finding new clubs.
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Re: PRL not ruling out more suspensions over Finances - Guardian
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2022, 05:26:15 PM »
In short Massie is an absolute idiot.

His whole argument makes no sense, Saracens have no debt, it all got written off by their main creditor. That’s disruption and inequality not because they are a well run rugby club but because they got lucky with who purchased them way back when.

Bath don’t really own where they play rugby rugby but get the income generated at the ground, that inequality and disruption is allowed also?

His championship point equally makes zero sense. The club owns the P share, it’s their main asset, Premier rugby saying nope, can’t have you selling your main asset at a profit that may help you is just ridiculous.

I hope this whole cabal implode in on these selves over the next 5 years and  they can watch Bath and Sarries play each other every week. Pathetic.

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Re: PRL not ruling out more suspensions over Finances - Guardian
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2022, 05:30:04 PM »
I'm becoming more and more sure that Simon really hasn't got a clue. 14 clubs was always sort sighted, so lets try the other way and see what happens. He really doesn't come across at all well or really believes what he is saying. I don't understand that if you can prove that you have a viable bid from another party why does the P share have to be removed

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Re: PRL not ruling out more suspensions over Finances - Guardian
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2022, 05:38:07 PM »
We’ve got to be strong on this. Really strong. So strong we’ll just carry on with the Cheats, Bristol, Exeter and Bath. Now please stop questioning us we’ve got to go and organise a 21 team Championship. Absolute muppetry.

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Re: PRL not ruling out more suspensions over Finances - Guardian
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2022, 05:49:11 PM »
We’ve got to be strong on this? Is he auditioning for a gig on Downing Street?

He’s worried about administration giving a club a ‘financial advantage.’ There’s a salary cap you total and utter four king muppet. It’s only when you have people cheating the cap does financial unfairness really come into play.

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Re: PRL not ruling out more suspensions over Finances - Guardian
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2022, 05:53:31 PM »
Just out of curiosity,does the championship actually want a couple of more teams?

Could they refuse to accept us/Worcester and possibly another on account it would mess up their finances?

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Re: PRL not ruling out more suspensions over Finances - Guardian
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2022, 06:03:20 PM »
2 x 10 team leagues so presumably bottom team of Premiership relegated (Bath on current standings); no promotion from Championship (RFU may end up on court on that one); bottom 4 teams from Championship relegated.

What brilliant, creative thinking!

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Re: PRL not ruling out more suspensions over Finances - Guardian
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2022, 06:04:26 PM »
And presumably current 13 P shares divided between 20 clubs.

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Re: PRL not ruling out more suspensions over Finances - Guardian
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2022, 06:14:31 PM »
Saracens's last accounts showed they lost almost exactly £1M more than us in the same period and £8M less than Bath. Did Wasps and Bath have an advantage over Saracens? No.

I get the principal that there needs to be something to discourage against tactical administration as what's to stop a club going into administration to wipe out their debt every off season?

Relegation is a punishment. If you want to go further restrict a club's salary cap to 80% and no marquee player for 2 years after they get promoted back.

Killing clubs off is just ludicrous.

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Re: PRL not ruling out more suspensions over Finances - Guardian
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2022, 06:22:08 PM »
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“There is a scenario where a club could just write off all of its debt,”
The man’s financially illiterate.

You can’t just decide to write off you debts, not court would allow it and you’d be in administration before the announcement was finished. 

Creditors can agree to write off debt, but that’s a private matter between the creditors and their shareholders if they have some and sod all to do with this situation. 

Jeez, there’s no wonder PRL is in such a mess if that’s the quality of leadership.


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Re: PRL not ruling out more suspensions over Finances - Guardian
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2022, 06:29:49 PM »
Northampton have now announced a fixture against the Barbarians on 26th November. If our match next weekend is cancelled, they will play 3 home games before Leicester's next home game. I trust PRL will be taking action to prevent Northampton from gaining an advantage...