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Why the Premiership is desperate for a 10-team league
« on: May 26, 2023, 05:39:14 PM »

Why the Premiership is desperate for a 10-team league

Rather than making a virtue out of necessity, an insider says 10 teams is optimal for the league, removing overlap with international games
By Gavin Mairs, Chief Rugby Union Correspondent 26 May 2023 ? 2:53pm


It is remarkable to consider it is not yet two years since the Rugby Football Union voted to approve the expansion of the Premiership to 14 clubs.

The historic vote by the governing body?s council in late June 2021 rubber-stamped what was called the ?Covid Recovery Plan?, including the suspension of promotion and relegation for the 2023-24 season.

The RFU said it hoped that the structural changes would ?improve the financial stability and sustainability of professional rugby during the next three seasons while also providing benefits for England and the community game?.

Then the sad demise of Wasps and Worcester Warriors early this season reduced the league to 11 clubs, a figure which is widely expected to drop to 10 next week unless the US consortium attempting to buy London Irish can deliver an approved takeover by the RFU?s deadline next Tuesday.

If London Irish do go under, plans for a 10-team Premiership will be fast-tracked  for approval by the same RFU council next month that 24 months earlier had signed off on 14.

And yet, while no one wanted to get to this point in such a horrific and costly manner, a 10-team league is now seen as the optimal size for the league. That would be the case even if Wasps, Worcester and London Irish were in rude financial health and Ealing and Jersey owned stadiums with capacities above 10,000.


There is a perception, an unfair one, that Premiership Rugby is secretly pleased to see Wasps and Worcester (and possibly London Irish) go to the wall because it could allow it to accelerate those plans to reduce the league to 10 teams by a season.

What has yet to be fully explained is how and why this reduced format is now seen as the league structure that will breathe life back into the English club game when the 14-team league was heralded as way forward less than two years ago.

It is a journey that began in February of 2022. Simon Massie-Taylor, who had been appointed as the new Prem Rugby chief executive in the previous month, was tasked with drawing up a new strategic plan for the league.

Along with Martyn Phillips, Prem Rugby?s new chairman and the former chief executive of the Welsh Rugby Union, the pair set about asking fundamental, even existential questions.

Could the ?product? be improved to get it to a better place or was the model broken beyond repair or tinkering? The answer was clear. The possibility of sparking the league back into life with a couple of defibrillator pads was not deemed likely to be successful.

A huge piece of work was carried out over the coming months and the answer consistently came back that a 13-team league (as it was then) just did not work.

There were too many games that overlapped with international matches; clubs were not seeing enough of their England players, players were probably playing too much rugby, which was increasing the risk of injury; supporters were frustrated at not seeing their Test stars in action for their clubs and even when they were, they were at times not the ?best version of themselves? for key games.

The decision to reduce the league to 10 clubs would, in an instant, remove the overlaps between the Premiership and the international Test windows, increasing the number of games England stars will be available for their clubs.
'We are finally going to play less rugby'

As one insider close to the strategic review said, it would ?put a premium on quality not quantity. We would become the only league in the world that would say:  'We are finally going to play less rugby.'

?If you've got 10 teams, the chances are you've got concentration of players and coaches in those 10 teams. They should be high quality games. They should be well attended games, their games broadcasters would be very interested in from a supporter point of view, you're not having to be made to choose between international and Premiership games.

?Then there is the player welfare side of it, you can build proper loading, around playing and recovery, and perhaps most importantly you are removing conflict from the system. Rather than fight for players and eyeballs between club and country, we can move forward and grow the game together in an aligned season.?
The status quo is not working: time to be radical

If the financial turmoil of the last 12 months has proved anything, it is that the status quo is not working, underscoring the need to try something radical.

One of the biggest stumbling blocks however was to convince the clubs that it is in their best interests to give up a number of home fixtures that remain the lifeblood in terms of revenue for Premiership clubs.

Losing three home games is likely to be worth around ?1 million in lost revenue, and although a 10-team league would mean clubs receiving more central funding from the RFU, that would be a marginal figure. Central to his strategy is to ensure that there is no more creep from the international game, aside from calls for a fourth Test match in the November window for the new world league blueprint that will see a northern versus southern hemisphere ?grand final? every two years.'

?The bet we are making is that we have got to convince broadcasters, sponsors and supporters that when you come to our games, they are going to be really good games with really good players featuring in hard fought contests,? added the source.

?Also with a greater concentration of players whose workload is managed then the clubs should be more competitive in the European/Champions Cup tournaments and potentially a world club championship.
'The game is challenged but we can make it work'

?People are saying that the game is in trouble, but what I am saying is that while the game is challenged, we think it can be made to work and I think it will be now.?

Massie-Taylor and Phillips were able to win the argument, with the new strategy to move to 10 teams approved at a Prem Rugby board meeting in May last year, well in advance of the financial strife that would overwhelm Wasps and Worcester later in the year.

The overhaul is not to stop at the league structure. It is understood that the minimum standard criteria is also to be re-written to set a standard that a club needs to demonstrate on and off the pitch to be a Premiership club beyond a 10,000-capacity stadium. A sporting commission and regulations on financial sustainability are to be put in place.

?If you're going to be a Premiership club, you need to have a competitive squad, a great coaching team, a really good supporter experience on match day, be sustainable financially, and have a social media following,? added the insider.
'If you're a fan of a club, you can expect a really premium experience'

?Basically, you are saying that if you're a fan of this club, you can expect a really premium experience and we're going to be really disciplined about making sure we have that.?

Which, interestingly, does not shut the door on promotion and relegation. Both Prem Rugby and the RFU are aligned on the need for a strong second-tier, likely to be renamed Prem 2, and movement in a 'franchise system' would be possible.

?We need a broad criteria on what it takes to become a Premiership club and then if a club wins on the pitch, then up they come,? the insider added. ?But clearly, we are not as stable as we need to be, so we need to stabilise first and that will in turn attract new investment.?

The fixture schedule will also be revised, to ensure a sprinkling of ?big game? matches and local derbies enhance the narrative of the season in a coordinated fashion, while a hardship fund is to be established to help players who may lose their jobs during the transition.

?We haven?t got magic wands, but we are going to be in a much better place in a couple of years,? he added
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Re: Why the Premiership is desperate for a 10-team league
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2023, 05:46:47 PM »
Are we standing in a wood?

No idea, I can't see anything beyond all these trees.

If that article was based on the truth behind the logic, and not just a piece of journo page filling fluff, what is blatantly missing is a detailed look at the numbers, and no evidence that 'making test stars available' for a higher percentage of far fewer games will bring in more fans, into some stadiums that are already full most weeks but are too small?

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Re: Why the Premiership is desperate for a 10-team league
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2023, 07:20:00 PM »
Talk about ex post justification and inventing history

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Re: Why the Premiership is desperate for a 10-team league
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2023, 07:59:27 PM »
Possibly not far away from a "Why the Premiership is desperate for an 8 team league"

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Re: Why the Premiership is desperate for a 10-team league
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2023, 08:03:17 AM »
Perhaps a more pertinent article would be

?Why the Premiership is desperate?

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Re: Why the Premiership is desperate for a 10-team league
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2023, 09:13:07 AM »
So desperate for a crowd today they, allegedly,  released blue light tickets to general sale to all and sundry for a 2 quid booking fee.

That is until somebody who paid full wack shopped them.
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Re: Why the Premiership is desperate for a 10-team league
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2023, 10:49:15 AM »
That will be all my favourite top 3 clubs gone.   I really don't care to much about most of the rest  -  well, maybe Barff.  And one other.  I would love EAs t o curl up  and  die, as they should have done years  ago. 

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Re: Why the Premiership is desperate for a 10-team league
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2023, 05:16:10 PM »
It?s difficult to understand how those that supposedly run things get things so wrong. How do we drive up income for clubs? Give them less games. How do we increase crowds and engagement in the game? Narrow the league to the same teams bashing each other each week. How do we govern the game? Take the P share off three clubs whilst allowing serial wrongdoers to keep theirs. The list goes on and we will be moving towards amateur rugby in the next few years.

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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2023, 11:29:43 PM »
Attractive competitive sport retains its integrity and stays appealing because it weeds out the cheats, ensuring the bar remains high but obtainable on a level playing field.

The premiership has become an unappealing borefest propped up by sugar daddies because of the cowardice of the RFU and PRL in dealing with a massive serial cheating scandal that completely undermined the competition. Quite how and why the Cheats got off so lightly will remain open to conjecture, but in light of the severity with which we and Warriors have been dealt, it seems to be based on financial clout - the powers that be seem to be tough on those that can't fight back, but soft on those that have the power to influence or litigate.

The EAs won the title today, but most people could have told you that on the first day of the season. It beggars belief to think that Lance Armstrong would have kept his titles, been banned for a season and then come back to win the tour a couple of years later, whilst the governing body announced reducing the field and his challengers was a positive way forward.

Reducing the teams just means there's less filler games in between the Cheats last title and the next. How exciting...

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Re: Why the Premiership is desperate for a 10-team league
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2023, 10:09:12 AM »
According to. Pravda puff-piece in the Telegraph, Saracens? redemption is complete.

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Re: Why the Premiership is desperate for a 10-team league
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2023, 10:18:26 AM »
And that?s the problem. Day 1 of the season and everyone knows Sarries will win it with their remarkably inexpensive international squad. It?s also known that no one will be relegated. There may be a smattering of interesting games but none that really matter. Two of the more exciting teams (us and Irish) are gone. The top four will probably be Cheats, Lesser cheats, Sale + one filler. It?s boring.

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Re: Why the Premiership is desperate for a 10-team league
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2023, 10:33:18 AM »
According to. Pravda puff-piece in the Telegraph, Saracens? redemption is complete.

Is it F!

Check the comments though
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Re: Why the Premiership is desperate for a 10-team league
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2023, 04:08:34 PM »
It's the last day of the Premier League football today and the top four is finalised so luckily for the English FA there is an exciting relegation battle where 3 teams go down but only one of them currently knows its them.

This is the excitement the PRL and RFU seems to forget.

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Re: Why the Premiership is desperate for a 10-team league
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2023, 06:01:08 PM »
Despite Mad  Eddie being there I  got the last 10 minutes of the BaaBaas v  World 15, and thoroughly enjoyed it.  It was like the games of old  and all the players enjoying it too.  And Westy got to play as well.  Apart  from Murderball  that's the only bit of rugby of which  I would have liked to see more.  Next season  will probably be composed of just 4  teams.  All from the Cheats.

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Re: Why the Premiership is desperate for a 10-team league
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2023, 02:21:33 PM »
It?s difficult to understand how those that supposedly run things get things so wrong. How do we drive up income for clubs? Give them less games. How do we increase crowds and engagement in the game? Narrow the league to the same teams bashing each other each week. How do we govern the game? Take the P share off three clubs whilst allowing serial wrongdoers to keep theirs. The list goes on and we will be moving towards amateur rugby in the next few years.

I'd like to see what the profit/loss looks like for teams and their home games this season.  It's easy for teams to suggest they'll lose ?250-300k per game from missed or reduced games but it doesn't really tell the whole story.  It clearly hurts teams that regularly sell out or operate at a high attendance rate, but for the teams that don't costs to put on games with low attendances are either unlikely to be very profitable at all, or loss-making.

Fewer games in isolation isn't the answer.  It's got to be a package of changes.  I'd still like to see how finances would look with the following:

- Join up the top two divisions with a minimum of 20 teams across the two 
- Promotion and relegation (do you do 1 up / 1 down, 2 up / 2 down or the French system of the bottom get relegated, the top gets promoted and the second-placed top/bottom teams have a play-off?)
- Max 10 Teams in the top division to account for internationals so games are played with the best players available barring injury
- Reduction in Salary Cap; fewer games means fewer players required in squads, especially with international break periods helping with R&R

The problem is getting the teams to agree to it, because they're all shareholders with an inflated and artificial value associated to the P-Shares that give them a say.  That and Bath, Bristol and Saracens would actively like to increase the Salary Cap and have owners with deep pockets to do so.

Wonder what the legalities are of a proposed breakaway league where, say, teams relinquish their P-Shares (after all, it seems they can't ever really be exercised apart from in an unlikely buyout and event then, would likely be at a reduced value) and team up with the Championship teams, create two divisions with the parameters that enable teams to generate and run a sustainable model that could be grown in future to force the issue?

Bath, Bristol and Saracens would be accommodated elsewhere or be forced to concede and agree new terms. 

That said, not sure where they'd go - Can't imagine they'd end up in the URC (although potentially allows the URC to create two divisions), the Pro14 doesn't need a European 'Super League' and European Rugby wouldn't advocate it due to risk of diminishing the Champions and Challenge Cups.