I've just come across Gen HR McMaster's Battlegrounds podcast and he has a very interesting interview with Ritchie McCaw. I've heard Gen McMaster talk about his love of the game before so its an informed discussion:
In this episode of Battlegrounds, H.R. McMaster and Richie McCaw discuss the state of rugby and the lessons the sport offers for developing leaders, fostering teamwork, strengthening communities, and building a better future,
There's also a nice potted history of the sport including and interesting, but sad, stat of how many rugby players dies in WW1.
Its on all the platforms including here:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4JniOGAEJgv52Iu1C4cdI7