Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: Neils on January 20, 2019, 11:30:53 AM
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None I can see in TRP. MAIL has a bit about Worcester complaining to RFU about our training centre in theircatchment. If we transgress RFU will take our area away- not under CVC you won't!
He whose name must not be mentioned does only have a one year deal with the fake west countryers. Toulon and Clermont circling.
Nice article on Fekitoa in Mail.
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Link to the Mail article:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-6611087/Malakai-Fekitoa-signing-Wasps-missing-World-Cup-feeding-30-relatives.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-6611087/Malakai-Fekitoa-signing-Wasps-missing-World-Cup-feeding-30-relatives.html)
One of the comments made me smile: Tarzinthesun, Dubai - "Another ££££ chaser", reply from BB61, Ealing - "And what made you decide to settle in Dubai?"
;D
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None I can see in TRP. MAIL has a bit about Worcester complaining to RFU about our training centre in theircatchment. If we transgress RFU will take our area away- not under CVC you won't!
He whose name must not be mentioned does only have a one year deal with the fake west countryers. Toulon and Clermont circling.
Nice article on Fekitoa in Mail.
I still don't understand the the catchment area idea associated with clubs academies? Is the catchment area designed with academy players in mind or the even younger U18's.
Surely players can join an academy or U18 section of their choice anywhere in the country and not be tied to a club that's within your area. The fact Wuss have dibs on South Warwickshire is surprising anyway. I would have thought a club catchment area would be whatever county they are in. And its not as if Worcester don't have good rugby schools in the area either
Regarding the rumour about he who can't be mentioned. Where has the titbit aired? I'm not at all surprised but I'm guessing there is always the option of signing another 1 yr deal with Glaws but again that will depend on the likelihood of him being picked for the WC squad
Ford is playing a lot better now and Fazza will never be dropped due to his kicking and ability to play 10 or 12. So is there room for 3 10's?
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Titbits are in the Sunday Mail and on the website. Got of the Mail is close to he who erc.
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Turn its are in the Sunday Mail and on the website. Got of the Mail is close to he who erc.
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/rugby/wasps-worcester-warriors-settle-coventry-11627796 (https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/rugby/wasps-worcester-warriors-settle-coventry-11627796)
Looks like the problem was mainly sovled a while ago but it seems the main bone of contention is who gets to link up with Warwick School who are one of the top rugby schools in the country and have probably got better training facilities than Wasps themselves currently.
Wasps proposed training facilitiy is only about 4 miles from that school.
As a result a few of Warwick U18's also play at Old Leamingtonians RFC.. which is where the proposed new Wasps training site is going to be.
I wouldn't be at all suprised if the school themselves ask to be moved within the Wasps catchment area.
As to Cips. . the DM article is a somewhat unclear. It says Cips contract ends next year.. so does that mean at the end of this season or actually at the end of next season? I still can't see Toulon or Clermont signing him though.
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It's also mentioned in their local rag:
https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/gloucester-fly-half-danny-cipriani-2448620 (https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/gloucester-fly-half-danny-cipriani-2448620)
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Historically, and still in some cases currently, more players from Coventry and surrounding Warwickshire area end up with Tigers Academy than Worcester or even Wasps so far!
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(First post on here!)
Nothing in relation to us specifically but wonder if with Nathan’s departure we would look to Ben Morgan who looks like leaving Gloucester? Haven’t heard any more about Sione Vailanu.
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Welcome Green Wasp!
With the Willis boys both being likely to feature next season I suspect we're not too worried about replacing Nathan. I could easily be wrong though.
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Summary of the rumours to date:
OUT
- JCW to Sale - Complete
Willie to Japan - Leaving, destination unknown
Nathan to Bristol - Complete
Stuart to Bath - Complete
Simmo to Ealing or Quins - ?
Daly to Saracens - ?
IN
- Fekitoa - Complete
- Jeff Toomaga Allen - Complete
- Vellacott - ?
- George Worth - ?
- Naholo - ? - Not sure I believe this one from the Rugby Pod
Jack Owlett I hadn't seen mentioned anywhere.
Have I missed any?
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Owlett on the Offy.
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Owlett on the Offy.
https://www.wasps.co.uk/news/wasps-sign-exeter-prop-owlett/
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Interesting that contract discussions are not supposed to happen until this month but all the rumours about Wasps players leaving have been around for several months. The rumour about Fekitoa was probably the longest-runnng one and nobody seemed to know about Toomaga-Allen and Owlett.
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Clearly the January thing is a complete fabrication. I'm not entirely sure why clubs bother to keep up the pretend to be honest.
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You can't talk to a player, you can talk to his agent.
So whilst the contract can't be signed, everything can be setup.
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You can't talk to a player, you can talk to his agent.
So whilst the contract can't be signed, everything can be setup.
I can see how the letter of the law is preserved, but it's hardly in the spirit is it?
Next well have teams breaking the salary cap and defending it with a spurious legal loophole...
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Turn its are in the Sunday Mail and on the website. Got of the Mail is close to he who erc.
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/rugby/wasps-worcester-warriors-settle-coventry-11627796 (https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/rugby/wasps-worcester-warriors-settle-coventry-11627796)
Looks like the problem was mainly sovled a while ago but it seems the main bone of contention is who gets to link up with Warwick School who are one of the top rugby schools in the country and have probably got better training facilities than Wasps themselves currently.
Wasps proposed training facilitiy is only about 4 miles from that school.
As a result a few of Warwick U18's also play at Old Leamingtonians RFC.. which is where the proposed new Wasps training site is going to be.
I wouldn't be at all suprised if the school themselves ask to be moved within the Wasps catchment area.
As to Cips. . the DM article is a somewhat unclear. It says Cips contract ends next year.. so does that mean at the end of this season or actually at the end of next season? I still can't see Toulon or Clermont signing him though.
That's interesting - I'm an old Warwickian myself and when I was in school our best talent was going to trials at Worcester and that seemed a fairly fixed arrangement. So I can see that it would cause problems if Wasps are seen to be encroaching on that.
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Turn its are in the Sunday Mail and on the website. Got of the Mail is close to he who erc.
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/rugby/wasps-worcester-warriors-settle-coventry-11627796 (https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/rugby/wasps-worcester-warriors-settle-coventry-11627796)
Looks like the problem was mainly sovled a while ago but it seems the main bone of contention is who gets to link up with Warwick School who are one of the top rugby schools in the country and have probably got better training facilities than Wasps themselves currently.
Wasps proposed training facilitiy is only about 4 miles from that school.
As a result a few of Warwick U18's also play at Old Leamingtonians RFC.. which is where the proposed new Wasps training site is going to be.
I wouldn't be at all suprised if the school themselves ask to be moved within the Wasps catchment area.
As to Cips. . the DM article is a somewhat unclear. It says Cips contract ends next year.. so does that mean at the end of this season or actually at the end of next season? I still can't see Toulon or Clermont signing him though.
That's interesting - I'm an old Warwickian myself and when I was in school our best talent was going to trials at Worcester and that seemed a fairly fixed arrangement. So I can see that it would cause problems if Wasps are seen to be encroaching on that.
Your dad isn't James Quinn is it?
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Looking at Twitter this morning and Naholo has been mentioned as a possible signing. It would be post RWC if it happened.
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Said it before on DW but I really hope we don’t sign Naholo.
Yes he would get bums on seats, scare defenders and potentially score a try out of nothing, but our problems start a lot further in field at the moment.
We have a British lion wing and one of the best fbs in the world and they are not getting anything in the wide channels at the moment.
Would prefer the money invested elsewhere and bring in another decent prem player on the wing and bring though a younger player there instead.
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So,
Don't hate the messenger and I don't think this will happen, but in the papers today it was reported that Warren Gatland had no concrete job offers but had had communication with several premiership clubs...
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Yes saw that and wondered! Not sure which clubs might be talking to him now.
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Yeah I don't think there's many teams at all who would
Newcastle? To go from playoffs to bottom is not a happy situation for any club..
I doubt Wuss would risk rocking the boat to any degree when they're off bottom
Bristol must be pretty happy with Lam
Murphy recently signed an epic deal for Leicester...
Not many candidate clubs at all
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We're upset that we don't have Wade to help create magic, and scare defences into being a bit more thinly spread, but then think we don't want Naholo? I think he could be very handy coming in off his wing, he's not slow either. I'd be happy to see him, equally I'd not be too upset if he didn't come. With Fekitoa and JdJ as centres, I think we'll be fine there.
I do worry about the EQP numbers a bit though.
As for Gatland, why not? He's a very solid coach, he's adaptable to the personnel he has, and seems to be embracing a more attacking philosophy with Wales. The only question is the relationship between him and Dai, or Dai is leaving. I'd be upset with Dai going, but Gatland coming in would neutralise that.
With the ever increasing Highlanders influence, I'd not be upset with Jamie Joseph, or even Aaron Mauger either (Mauger to act as head coach under Dai DoR though I think).
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We're upset that we don't have Wade to help create magic, and scare defences into being a bit more thinly spread, but then think we don't want Naholo? I think he could be very handy coming in off his wing, he's not slow either. I'd be happy to see him, equally I'd not be too upset if he didn't come. With Fekitoa and JdJ as centres, I think we'll be fine there.
I do worry about the EQP numbers a bit though.
As for Gatland, why not? He's a very solid coach, he's adaptable to the personnel he has, and seems to be embracing a more attacking philosophy with Wales. The only question is the relationship between him and Dai, or Dai is leaving. I'd be upset with Dai going, but Gatland coming in would neutralise that.
With the ever increasing Highlanders influence, I'd not be upset with Jamie Joseph, or even Aaron Mauger either (Mauger to act as head coach under Dai DoR though I think).
Agree with all of that. It's not that I wouldn't want Gatland - I'd take him in a heartbeat but that's not to say I want Dai out. I just think there is a massive lure to someone with his history with Wasps.
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Not sure why Gatland having history with Wasps would make any difference. The Wasps he left to go back to NZ bears little resemblance to the Wasps of today. Are there any players left that he would have coached? I doubt it. Any back room staff, maybe one or two but Wasps have been through a lot of personnel since he was here last.
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Gatland crossed over with a great number of others who I'd gladly bring back to the club, both for their skills in what they do and rebuilding that sense of identify of guys who have been wasps.
Just one example is Worsley who worked with Gatland over some years and who I think it'd be great to have working within our coaching system.
He also can link us to a wider team of coaches who would benefit us (not Howley).
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some kind of Gatland, Kinga, Worsley, Edwards combination would have heritage... but I'm more than happy with Dai in charge and I can't see it working with both Dai and Gatland.
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So,
Don't hate the messenger and I don't think this will happen, but in the papers today it was reported that Warren Gatland had no concrete job offers but had had communication with several premiership clubs...
The RFU should break the bank to get Gatland as Jones’ post-World Cup replacement
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So,
Don't hate the messenger and I don't think this will happen, but in the papers today it was reported that Warren Gatland had no concrete job offers but had had communication with several premiership clubs...
The RFU should break the bank to get Gatland as Jones’ post-World Cup replacement
Can't argue with that. It would be a very interesting change!
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So,
Don't hate the messenger and I don't think this will happen, but in the papers today it was reported that Warren Gatland had no concrete job offers but had had communication with several premiership clubs...
The RFU should break the bank to get Gatland as Jones’ post-World Cup replacement
Would you be happy with him bringing his entire coaching setup with him too?
I feel that's what you get with Gatland now. You also get Edwards and Howley.
Would Gatland really want to move from Wales to England?
I feel that he'd be looking for a bigger change of scene than that
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So,
Don't hate the messenger and I don't think this will happen, but in the papers today it was reported that Warren Gatland had no concrete job offers but had had communication with several premiership clubs...
The RFU should break the bank to get Gatland as Jones’ post-World Cup replacement
I'd read previously that he wouldn't consider the RFU job (whether he meant that or not I don't know).
Would you be happy with him bringing his entire coaching setup with him too?
I feel that's what you get with Gatland now. You also get Edwards and Howley.
Would Gatland really want to move from Wales to England?
I feel that he'd be looking for a bigger change of scene than that
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I’d be delighted with Edwards, but don’t think he’ll be moving with Gatland. He’s back to League, no?
Howley, id be surprised if he too goes with him. Especially for the England job.
Gatland has pretty much delivered wherever he’s gone. If it wasn’t for O’Gara and a moment of madness he’d have had it all to play for on the tour to South Africa.
Not a bad trio of Lions tours had that of been the case and still a successful tour to Oz and drawn tour to NZ isn’t to be sniffed at.
*edit: of course he was Forwards Coach, not Head Coach... doh