Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: Rossm on June 21, 2022, 12:11:28 PM
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Tom Willis finishes the season with most defenders beaten in the Gallagher Premiership.
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Great stats considering how few minutes he played near the end of the season.
Would be interesting to compare his stats to Alfie as well as the likes of Billy and Chick.
Also, have we ever heard in the press why Alfie was getting picked as much ahead of Tom?
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That is going to be a great battle between Alfie & Tom over the next couple of seasons. I would like to compare the stats between Tom & Billy. Also would have Tom over Curry in the England squad at 8, goes to show what a plum EJ is
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Tom is Top. Every time.
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That is going to be a great battle between Alfie & Tom over the next couple of seasons. I would like to compare the stats between Tom & Billy. Also would have Tom over Curry in the England squad at 8, goes to show what a plum EJ is
https://www.premiershiprugby.com/gallagher-premiership-rugby/statistics/player-stats/
Unfortunately billy features in a lot of these, so regrettably wins . No mention of curry though. But not sure how many games he featured in
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Just my opinion! I was extraordinarily lucky to be able to sponsor both Billy and Tom. each for one year. I'm not boasting - just really chuffed that they both turned out so well!!
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Tom is Top. Every time.
Completely agree. Tom should start at 8 whenever fit.
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That is going to be a great battle between Alfie & Tom over the next couple of seasons. I would like to compare the stats between Tom & Billy. Also would have Tom over Curry in the England squad at 8, goes to show what a plum EJ is
https://www.premiershiprugby.com/gallagher-premiership-rugby/statistics/player-stats/
Unfortunately billy features in a lot of these, so regrettably wins . No mention of curry though. But not sure how many games he featured in
Breakdown of stats between TW, AB & BV (sorry about style/formatting)
Games/Mins played
TW - 19 games, 1192 mins
AB - 13 games, 807 mins
BV - 23 games, 1701 mins
Carrying
TW - 226 carries, 1081 metres, 4.78 m/carry, 15.2 carries/80mins, 72.6 m/80mins
AB - 158 carries, 831metres, 5.26 m/carry, 15.7 carries/80mins, 82.4 m/80mins
BV - 290 carries, 1613 metres, 5.56 m/carry, 13.6 carries/80mins, 75.9 m/80mins
Defenders Beaten
TW - 83, 5.6 per 80
AB - 36, 3.6 per 80
BV - 65, 3.1 per80
Tries
TW - 6, 0 assists
AB - 5, 1 assist
BV - 4, 3 assists
Passes
TW - 40, 2.7 per 80
AB - 54, 5.4 per 80
BV - 234, 11.6 per 80
Successful Tackles
TW - 201, 13.5 per 80, 93% success rate
AB - 103, 10.2 per 80, 87% success rate
BV - 222, 10.4 per 80, 85% success rate
Penalties
TW - 8, 0.5 per 80
AB - 10, 1 per 80
BV - 23, 1.1 per 80
Not all that much between them and stats only show so much. Passing stats big difference.
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Passes
TW - 40, 2.7 per 80
AB - 54, per 80
BV - 234, per 80
Is that correct?
234/80 is nearly 4 passes/min - should it be 23.4 per 80?
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Passes
TW - 40, 2.7 per 80
AB - 54, per 80
BV - 234, per 80
Is that correct?
234/80 is nearly 4 passes/min - should it be 23.4 per 80?
That is an error on my part, hadn't actually put the data in! I have corrected now - cheers Roger. 234/80 really wold be something!
Should read:
234 passes in total which is 11.6 per 80 mins for Billy
54 passes in total which is 5.4 per 80 mins for Alfie
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I'm not to sure how important the passing stat is, very surprised Billy passes so much, but the meters per carry in the big one for a number 8 for me. Tom is still very young and will only get better.
Surprising that the stats are pretty close, especially as Billy has supposedly had a really good season. Sorry to ask but it would be interesting to see Alex Dombrants stats considering he is meant to be England's first choice 8
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I'm not to sure how important the passing stat is, very surprised Billy passes so much, but the meters per carry in the big one for a number 8 for me. Tom is still very young and will only get better.
Surprising that the stats are pretty close, especially as Billy has supposedly had a really good season. Sorry to ask but it would be interesting to see Alex Dombrants stats considering he is meant to be England's first choice 8
I included passes partly as there was such a big disparity there but also to show how they can be used differently. Not every team uses their 8 in the same way. The ability to act as a primary distributer means that they can stand at 1st receiver and be a genuine threat either ball in hand, passing out the back or tipping on to another carrier. If you don't pass and just run then defences are less worried about other threats and can focus on chopping you. BV and to a lesser extend Alex Dombrandt (see below) are used more as distributers and this versatility may be one reason why there are selected more at international level.
For me some of the most important stats aren't as widely available i.e. the metres post contact - an 8 used to field kicks and run from deep will generate more 'free' metres and carries.
For those interested, Alex Dombrandt and Callum Chick are as follows:
AD - 15 games, 1189 mins
CC - 18 games, 1106 mins
AD - 133 carries, 789m, 5.91 m/c, 8.9 c/80, 53 m/80
CC - 161 carreis, 986m, 6.21 m/c, 11.7 c/80, 71.3 m/80
AD - 22 def beaten, 8 tries, 5 assists
CC - 28 def beaten, 4 tries, 0 assists
AD - 99 passes, 9.6 p/80
CC - 63 passes, 4.6 p/80
AD - 141 tackles, 9.5 t/80, 89% succ
CC - 145 tackles, 10.5 t/80, 88% succ
AD - 10 pens, 0.7/80
CC - 9 pens, 0.6/80
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Meters per carry for chick is pretty good, it's the only thing i think Tom could improve on.
We must have, as a combination the best two 8's in the league, either player is top quality
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Meters per carry for chick is pretty good, it's the only thing i think Tom could improve on.
We must have, as a combination the best two 8's in the league, either player is top quality
I'm inclined to agree to an extent. Barbeary and Willis are fantastic options but across the league there are some excellent No.8s: Ackermann, Augustus, Weise, du Preez, Simmonds and those above are all quality players and other than the stylist changes of a player like Sam Simmonds I don't think a team would be radically altered by swapping these players around.
Our back row is fantastic but it is also quite limited. We carry through our forwards more than any other team - 61% of all our carries were forwards last season and the distribution stats of our back row suggest we have little invention outside trucking it up. Of course if that is all we do then teams can target that and get in the ball carriers eyeline and try to force the error (one reason for our pretty awful handling error stats). I do love our loosies and carrying metres are great and all that, they just seem a bit blunt at times. Obviously it would help if we had backs who could play and attack coaches with systems but those issues have been discussed here ad naus.
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61% of all our carries were forwards last season and the distribution stats of our back row suggest we have little invention outside trucking it up.
Don't think we needed to see the stats to know that! :)
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Jac, well done for providing the stats, really interesting,. I hope our forwards carry stat changes next season
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Thank you Jac. And thank you for explaining it too !!
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Willis v Barbeary is what we need in every position.
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Shugs - you're doing an Eddie. Tut.
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:) I don’t want them on either wing!
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Alfie's stats are actually a little better than I was expecting to be honest. But that tackle rate isn't good at all.
But the key stat for me is probably defenders beaten. Tom gets beyond tacklers and puts us on the front foot. That is invaluable, especially given how turgid the rest of our attack has been. I think we missed that a lot towards the end of the season.