Always a Wasp

Did I read correctly that Wray has his son running MBN events company for him. Might explain why certain ex players have not spoken out against him. I believe they organise most the after dinner speaking and events etc. Its all rotten no wonder he thought he could get away with it. I never thought I'd say this but il forever owe a little something to the Daily Mail

Looking at the team I believe it is strong but also lots of players being given a fair crack to make a claim for the shirt before we get back to the real business this season.

It's exactly that sort of narrative that really gets under my skin. It's not trauma, it's being caught cheating. Maybe the other clubs should start making more noise about the "trauma" they've endured through lack of titles/European progression/top 4 finishes/ relegation etc etc. All denied them in some part by cheating.

I agree completely. Rob Baxter made reference to the fact that those who have spoken out as victims of the whole thing have been shot down and made out to be trouble makers. I would have wanted to hear more from Wasps and others. I think Salaries were clever in the way they pretend to intend to contest the judgement. That ment the way everyone spoke about the whole saga was still as if it was speculation etc. Slowly the truth is coming to light but by then the eyes of the world are elsewhere already. I still am looking forward to seeing the changes to their squad but I fancy it's all smoke and mirrors. They have proven they dont care about the rules of the league on multiple occasions. I now think they will just go even further in their bitterness to find ways around what is still a losely enforced key element of our league.

They can keep Loz he was quick to jump on the gravy train along with Daly. This year we seem to have a great team spirit which I think is outstanding given all the changes in the team and within the organisation. With some youth coming through and roots firmly laid down at the Ricoh we need build a team who play for the badge now.

Will it be available to view again? I hope so because I only seen snipbits of it due to a busy house yesterday.

I agree been impressed with both and the promise they have shown. Our lineout has done well with Matthew's, especially in defence. I understand why but I think too often we allow them clean ball close to our line to set up a rolling maul. I get why we dont contest on times but even if we half heartedly threw someone up in the front with one lifter just make the throw a bit more difficult it would be something.
Matthew's took a big knock last weekend and should have seen another card but maybe hes playing because if we can secure our lineout ball it gives some platform to a mix and match team.
I am excited to see what some of the younger players can do. Especially with Gopps and Sopps to move them around. I fancied Sopps was playing better before his illness.

It's amazing that they claimed to be under the cap, and yet releasing three relatively average players and one big earner, none of whom were marquee, will apparently free up more than £1 million.

As plenty of others have said, it was clear they were cheating, the difference in the statements between when they were given the fine, when they declared they weren't going to appeal it, and now all reveal that it was deliberate and systematic, and extensive. And more and more I think the players were complicit.

I agree about the players. Didnt saracens brag about how they deal with the players direct. Sort of removes the "I didnt know the details" arguement. And I have no doubt if I was being offered a sum money and then an extra sum of money on the side you dont need to be a genius to be suspicious. Truth is they didnt care as they were winning trophies and gaining international recognition whilst others suffered. As I said scum.

I know it is not just an opinion that this has caused huge friction with players from other clubs. In the media players might be being kind and saying its not the players fault but I know it has caused some animosity between players and not just at England camp.

I continue to be so disappointed by the way this is all being reported. The way they still admire Saracens as a team etc. They were built illegally and so it remains the case for so long as they continue to avoid any genuine punishment that undoes the advantages they have gained.

Winds me up hearing them referred to as champions or players as 3 times winners etc. I'm sorry all that is unable to be officially removed but any person with balls would just leave it out of introductions as they should. They cheated their way to titles.

There was a story back 2015/16 or around that time where McCall said about how they were going to have to decide whole they lose from their squad out of Maro and Owen etc. They didnt end up losing anyone.

I enjoyed listening to Paul William's on Under The Sticks today on the matter. He points out how its progressed from a few transgressions where they forgot to report a few payments to now its seeming it was a deliberately contrived scheme to cheat the league. This is just further proof how Nigel always has been and remains a lying cheating scum bag who thinks hes above the rules. Some might think that's harsh but I've paid money to watch a rigged league...I've seen people lose their jobs and players careers be cut short or unfairly judged based on the fact others were cheating the whole time. Yes I'm angry. Also angry at how even now most the Saracens fans fail to hold their club to account and continue to say they have been harshly treated. NIGEL LIED TO THEM TO. They should be just as angry. The way certain media have reported on this has also been pathetic. Jim Hamilton and Stephen Jones etc. Absolute joke!!! It might be against the spirit of rugby but for me who ever wears the Jersey or cheers on the badge has lost my respect and I wish them the worst of luck. They deserve to be relegated. What ever happens at the end of this season if it is anything other than them going down there will remain some really angry people around.
Even them being relegated wont undo the damage they have intentionally done in the last decade of premiership rugby.

Why not save us all the stress and just kick them out of the league only to return once they have disbanded their team all together. Cutting a few players still does not undo the advantage they have had in being able to retain players and build a cohesive team and club.