Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: RBB on June 26, 2020, 10:09:50 AM
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https://www.gloucesterrugby.co.uk/2020/06/26/gloucester-rugby-confirm-departing-players/
They seem to be in meltdown
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Do they? Nothing unusual with players leaving. Do you not remember the last few years for us? We were not in meltdown. Although, with this weather, then we all are right now.
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At face value yes perhaps, with the departure of Ackerman the South African contingent are upping sticks and pursuing Yen. I think losing a DoR and Head Coach in quick succession has damaged their ability to retain players who were on the fence in terms of extending or leaving.
I take your point ref: Wasps but I have felt for a while that Gloucester ere going backward.
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The leavers list at Quins yesterday looked a little more disruptive
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I hadn't seen the full list, just looked at it and it is a long one, also rumoured that Ibitoye is off to the Top 14 with Agen. When you look at Wasps have done, we appear in more than reasonable shape compared to other clubs,
Are we safe to assume that Brad is staying put now, as there seems to be total silence and he did report back to Broadstreet for pre-season?
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Ref Brad, I would assume he is staying as any other players leaving didn't return to training.
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I see Gloucester have now announced an extended contract for Jonny May who they've only just re-signed from Tigers. So they appear to have a plan in place to exploit the salary cap loophole.
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Do they? Nothing unusual with players leaving. Do you not remember the last few years for us? We were not in meltdown. Although, with this weather, then we all are right now.
Marshall, Mostert and Marais were all under contract for next season apparently.
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Quins list looks long:
Francis Saili
- Harry Barlow
- James Bourton
- Niall Saunders
- Kyle Sinckler
- Lloyd Wheeldon
- Luke James
- Mark Lambert
- Max Crumpton
- Nick Auterac
- Phil Swainston
- Renaldo Bothma
- Rob Buchanan
- Semi Kunatani
- Toby Freeman
- Tom Penny
- Travis Ismaiel
- Vereniki Goneva
Not sure when Robshaws going?
but I'd say only 2 nailed on starters, with maybe another 2 or 3 match day squad players, so not really that bad
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Throw in the turmoil at Tigers as well. They too, are having a big change of personnel.
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Quins list looks long:
Francis Saili
- Harry Barlow
- James Bourton
- Niall Saunders
- Kyle Sinckler
- Lloyd Wheeldon
- Luke James
- Mark Lambert
- Max Crumpton
- Nick Auterac
- Phil Swainston
- Renaldo Bothma
- Rob Buchanan
- Semi Kunatani
- Toby Freeman
- Tom Penny
- Travis Ismaiel
- Vereniki Goneva
Not sure when Robshaws going?
but I'd say only 2 nailed on starters, with maybe another 2 or 3 match day squad players, so not really that bad
San Diego Legion, formerly coached by Rob Hoadley.
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Just seen that Robshaw has signed a temporary extension to stay at Quinns for the end of this season, so won't be off till next season starts.
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Also nice to see Swaino off to France, Rouen.
Hope he enjoys it
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For Glaws the one they will be upset about is Aaron Hinkley. he has looked superb at England u20 level, it would be like Wasps losing Tom Willis.
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What leaps out of this is what good shape we are in. Settled, key names secured and a couple of long term injuries coming back. With Mills I think we've now got good depth all around the pitch. Could be a good end/new season!
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I hadn't seen the full list, just looked at it and it is a long one, also rumoured that Ibitoye is off to the Top 14 with Agen. When you look at Wasps have done, we appear in more than reasonable shape compared to other clubs,
Are we safe to assume that Brad is staying put now, as there seems to be total silence and he did report back to Broadstreet for pre-season?
Players going back to training isn't pre-season but I understand what you mean. If he's signed for Saints then that will start 1st July, so there'd be no point in him joining training with Wasps.
Have there been many annoucements of EPL (all clubs) players moving to other EPL clubs?
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Yes - doh! I know what I meant as well, a slip of the finger.... ;-)
Saints have signed a proven SA Flanker today and a front row from Irish...
'Northampton Saints have signed South African flanker Shaun Adendorff and loose-head prop Danny Hobbs-Awoyemi.'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/53191735
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I feel for Gloucester, at the start of the season Cipps and Joe were on fire and they looked in with a shout for the final. Almost frightening how quickly it changed.
It seems Wasps timing and circumstances have fallen well. At the start of the season it was hard work remaining positive at times. Wasps had chosen to invest in young players after big name players either left or weren't offered contracts just as relegation risk was lifted. Then arguably the change of DoR/Head coach ahead of a forced suspension, with a good run into the close with the young players really coming to the fore.
Hopefully business is insured/protected/adapting along with a new lucrative CCFC deal and new training ground progressing.
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We shouldn't forget that Steve Vaughan and Adam Benson both left Glaw's backroom for us as well not so long ago.
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VV, excellent point. Wouldn't be surprised if that's related to our stability, and possibly continued improvement in future as a business as well as a club.
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Well its an old boy
GLOUCESTER RUGBY ANNOUNCE THE APPOINTMENT OF GEORGE SKIVINGTON AS HEAD COACH
Following an extensive search, Gloucester Rugby is delighted to announce the appointment of George Skivington as its new Head Coach. He will start in his new position on 3 July 2020.
Skivington was previously forwards coach at London Irish, and has also coached with the Samoan national team. His playing career included captaining England Saxons and London Irish, as well as time with Wasps and Leicester Tigers.
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Great appointment IMO, we champion young English talent on the field, now good to see it being appointed in coaching roles too with Blackett, Borthwick and Skivs.
Wonder if he was in the the running for the Wasps job.
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Hopefully George will prove to be a excellent Head Coach but I can't see Glaws supporters being overwhelmed with the appointment.
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So losing Johann, and then Humphries, I was thinking could just be a clean sweep type thing, start again, or potentially jokeshop, losing one after the other, rumours about board interference etc. Announcing a young fresh coach, first head coaching role, big chance, but again, potentially less than impressive (not to say it can't work).
However, this statement from Irish, rather makes it all look amateur hour, rather than canny dealings...
https://www.london-irish.com/news/london-irish-to-consider-all-options-regarding-gloucester-approach-to-skivington/bp2624/
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Yeah Irish sound pissed, and rightly so
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I don't think that (if I was Glaws supporter) i would be too impressed at the thought of acquiring a DoR who either doesn't understand contracts and their legal bindings or can't distinguish between June 2020 and June 2021. He might be a great coach but he certainly seems to be in need of a P.A. It seems very remiss on someone's part.
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So Gloucester may have to pass on any money they gained from the Sale misdeed to Irish.
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I read the statement from Gloucester on this and I don't think it helps the case, it's very much a statement about what they didn't say IMHO.
They mention the role was advertised in the normal way. And that Skivington was the standout candidate.
The uproar on the situation is about how contact was made, was it George applying or was he tapped up or poached. If it was a simple case of him just applying you would think Glaws would really focus on that point, which they haven't.
I think this will run for a while yet.
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I read the statement from Gloucester on this and I don't think it helps the case, it's very much a statement about what they didn't say IMHO.
They mention the role was advertised in the normal way. And that Skivington was the standout candidate.
The uproar on the situation is about how contact was made, was it George applying or was he tapped up or poached. If it was a simple case of him just applying you would think Glaws would really focus on that point, which they haven't.
I think this will run for a while yet.
Doesn't make any difference if Skivs applied. If he has a contract for more than 6 months with Irish, Glaws cannot talk to him without their permission.
Basically it's down to the contract. Few options for me.
1. There's no valid contract (George reserved his rights when/if Irish tried to reduce his salary). Irish lied.
2. George lied to Glaws about his contract, and Glaws didn't bother checking.
3. Glaws are lying about a valid contract, but went ahead anyway accepting the likely consequences as part of doing business.
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If finances are as rumoured at Irish, it raises the question whether Irish are hanging out for some compensation. I’m not saying it’s the case, rather that it is something to consider.
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If finances are as rumoured at Irish, it raises the question whether Irish are hanging out for some compensation. I’m not saying it’s the case, rather that it is something to consider.
That would have to go to a PRL/RFU tribunal and bearing in mind the pitiful ruling against Sale on behalf of Glos.. I can't see LI pursuing things.. perhaps that was the reasoning behind Glos snapping up Skivs .. "What's the worse that can happen".
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Shouldn't this thread be Re-Titled to 'Tigers Wheels Continue to Fall Off'.
On and off the field, what the hell is going on..from a fanbase that love throwing stone at everyone else, I can't same i'm not enjoying it.
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Indeed Hymoneptera. I've always disliked the arrogance around Tigers. Their problem is that they have been poor for three or four seasons but don't quite seem to believe it. The players look to be the same. There's something very wrong there but I'd be lying if I said I hoped they could find the solution.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/53325701 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/53325701)
More people leaving.
Teague I get as the new coach will want his own team but Grobler is yet another decent playing leaving....
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I don't think any coach that was awarded a job, but then was usurped by the boards new appointment, would want to stay.. which makes me curious as to how the Murphy/Borthwick scenario works out.
Murphy is Tigers through and through so I doubt the board will sack him for fear of further disrupting the players squad.. which means Borthwick might be on a hiding to nothing