Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: wasps on February 07, 2019, 11:46:15 AM
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Obviously the Welsh rule on overseas players isn't as strict as some countries, but it's been said before that Young would likely need to be at a Welsh region to be regularly considered for national selection.
Dai is also on record as saying that Thomas has a tough decision to make after the world cup.
If he stays with Wasps he probably won't get any/many more caps, but if he leaves Wasps there's no guarantees that he will either.
He probably doesn't feature in a match day 23 if all back row options are available, however is that down to ability or some bias towards those playing in Wales?
Personally, I think he signs for a Welsh region and I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he's already done so, which might explain why he's now featuring for Wales.
I'd absolutely love the new man in charge of Wales to happily pick anyone based in the UK and therefore Thomas could stay with us, but I think that's just too much to hope for
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Yes
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Yep, I reckon he's off to be honest.
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I'm pretty sure there's a loophole (which WRU didn't envisage) but now I'm questioning myself.
Either way, would YY be gauranteed of a squad place for the WC. Is this cap, well deserved BTW, just Gatland trying to nail a "possible" down to his squad (a bit like EJ seems to have done with a certain flyhalf via the SA tour)
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He was exempt as he was under contract at the time of Gatlands Law, and he did an extension. But I think he would need a new contract for next year to stay at Wasps, and the WRFU may have said, 'Look, we want you. We are allowed to select and play you in the 6N, but we will only do so if you move for next season, then we can also give you RWC selection.' YY would have said, 'You pick and play me in the 6N, and then the RWC, and I will move.'
Totally and utterly conjecture, but much the same happened with Shields, yes? And, I suspect you can find examples of Welsh players recently with much the same scenario.
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Is Tom Francis still at Exeter as I think he has or had the same connumdrum?
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Is Josh Adams in the same boat at Warriors too?
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Adams is in the same boat but given that he started the france game he's probably more assured of his place in the squad so will probably move.. a real shame for Wuss WRU annouce
I'm not sure if Liam Williams qualifies though.. did he sign his contract with Sarries before the WRU announcement?
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If it does happen I hope we are able to manage the message well and in a timely fashion. Something like "Wasps, a place where International careers are started" followed by an early announcement from YY that he is only leaving because he has to to play for Wales and to keep the shirt warm for his eventual return.
That would be leaving on a high and leaving behind smiles.
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YY will have a challenge with other players who can play in the back row for Wales:
- James Davies, Ellis Jenkins, Lydiate and Falletau are injured.
- I assume Moriarty could play 6 when Falletau returns.
- Navidi & Wainwright are competition for YY.
So a big decision for him to stay or not.
I assume he could make the RWC squad since he is still contracted to Wasps.
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I think Frances extended his contract rather than renewing it. Not sure what the difference is.
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I think Frances extended his contract rather than renewing it. Not sure what the difference is.
Extending means on the same terms (especially money). New (renewing) a contract means (potentially) more money. Doing the latter means you have to be playing in Wales in order to be picked (unless you have a lot of caps).
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I'd say no, i'm not sure he's appreciated enough by Wales to upsticks on a maybe. Being constantly overlooked will put doubt in your mind.
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Dai has already said that Thomas has to make his mind up at the end of NEXT season, as to wether he needs to move back to Wales to play.
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It's a tough call for him but if he has serious international ambitions he's got to move at the end of his current contract. That he's gettingselected despite not being in Walesand with their backrow strengths, suggests to me they rate him highly enough forthe risk of moving to be worth taking.
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It's a tough call for him but if he has serious international ambitions he's got to move at the end of his current contract. That he's gettingselected despite not being in Walesand with their backrow strengths, suggests to me they rate him highly enough forthe risk of moving to be worth taking.
Unfortunately, I think I agree with this.
There's a definite chance that once everyone is back from injury he won't get selected.
But, if he stays in England, he definitely won't get selected post World Cup.
So, it's a 50/50 call v's a 0% call.
If he really wants to be playing for Wales, he has to take the chance.
Besides, what would he be losing out on?
I doubt he really wants to be playing for his dad forever. Would his salary be particularly lower in Wales?
Wales is a nice part of the World, and afterall, he is Welsh.
What downsides are there for him?
He'll be moving away from friends at Wasps and in Coventry in general.
But, he's bound to have friends from age grade who play for each of the Welsh regions, and will have other friends in the country too.
I just can't see many reasons why he'd want to stay unfortunately :(
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I think Frances extended his contract rather than renewing it. Not sure what the difference is.
Extending means on the same terms (especially money). New (renewing) a contract means (potentially) more money. Doing the latter means you have to be playing in Wales in order to be picked (unless you have a lot of caps).
I've been thinking about this. I got a pay rise a little while ago, and my existing contract of employment was simply amended. So within the letter of the law I suspect we could easily find a way around that particular clause. But if the WRU decided it is against the spirit of the law then they wouldn't pick him anyway.
I suspect he'll be off, and I'll be really annoyed about it if he is. Just like Beale being persuaded to leave by Cheika, it just doesn't feel right...
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It's a tough call for him but if he has serious international ambitions he's got to move at the end of his current contract. That he's gettingselected despite not being in Walesand with their backrow strengths, suggests to me they rate him highly enough forthe risk of moving to be worth taking.
Unfortunately, I think I agree with this.
There's a definite chance that once everyone is back from injury he won't get selected.
But, if he stays in England, he definitely won't get selected post World Cup.
So, it's a 50/50 call v's a 0% call.
If he really wants to be playing for Wales, he has to take the chance.
Besides, what would he be losing out on?
I doubt he really wants to be playing for his dad forever. Would his salary be particularly lower in Wales?
Wales is a nice part of the World, and afterall, he is Welsh.
What downsides are there for him?
He'll be moving away from friends at Wasps and in Coventry in general.
But, he's bound to have friends from age grade who play for each of the Welsh regions, and will have other friends in the country too.
I just can't see many reasons why he'd want to stay unfortunately :(
I agree with much of this however - I think I read recently that the Welsh Regions are cash strapped as are the WRU and financal reward might be a reason for him staying put - especially with a small human coming soon.
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Dai has already said that Thomas has to make his mind up at the end of NEXT season, as to wether he needs to move back to Wales to play.
I thought he said after the WC.
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He did indeed. Not sure what after the WC means ie signed up for 2019/20 or this only.
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It's a tough call for him but if he has serious international ambitions he's got to move at the end of his current contract. That he's gettingselected despite not being in Walesand with their backrow strengths, suggests to me they rate him highly enough forthe risk of moving to be worth taking.
I dont class 2 caps against Pacific nations in a near 2 year span as being 'selected'.
Given his form over the last 3 years, i'd say he has been overlooked.
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It's a tough call for him but if he has serious international ambitions he's got to move at the end of his current contract. That he's gettingselected despite not being in Walesand with their backrow strengths, suggests to me they rate him highly enough forthe risk of moving to be worth taking.
I dont class 2 caps against Pacific nations in a near 2 year span as being 'selected'.
Given his form over the last 3 years, i'd say he has been overlooked.
There is a helluva lot of competition in the Wales' back row.
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Assuming he is still with the same partner that he was, she is Welsh and has family down here, which when added to his own nationality would give a lot of motivation to move.
I think he will go eventually, the only saving grace being the relatively weak state of the regional finances and small number of regions that are relatively well stocked already. If WP selects more widely than Gats then that is great, but Gatland's law isn't Gatland's, it is the WRU who are responsible for it...
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Westwaleswasp: you make a big assumption about us Welsh. I only go back to Wales as long as I have a return ticket.
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Heheh
In my experience the man follows the woman more than the other way round, and the women tend to stay closer to their family. All generalisations of course!
Plus in terms of house ownership you get a lot more bang for your buck down here, apart from the weather it is lovely.