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Title: Wasps Women
Post by: Chunky24 on July 20, 2022, 05:01:40 PM
I had noticed an exodus of the top players at Wasps Women and Giselle Mather as coach recently, assumed financial issues but Nick Heath has just posted this:

https://twitter.com/nickheathsport/status/1549783156785659905?t=MvtUX9G7Y2nuac7BCeLJHw&s=19
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: Neils on July 20, 2022, 05:51:50 PM
This was known about. The only delay is extending the facilities at Henley (Changing Rooms, Showers etc). From what I have seen a fair extension but the land is there.
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: Chunky24 on July 20, 2022, 07:03:18 PM
This was known about. The only delay is extending the facilities at Henley (Changing Rooms, Showers etc). From what I have seen a fair extension but the land is there.

Knew there was a move towards it being more based in Coventry  particularly the training part didn't realise it was a wholesale move like it reads here.

Going to be a tough season for them this year though ahead of that and have to look to invest and  recruit heavily for the season after especially as premiership places are reassessed at the end of it. Tigers also setting up locally as well last season and Saints linking with Loughborough Lightning plus Worcester well established.
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: Neils on July 20, 2022, 07:31:59 PM
This was known about. The only delay is extending the facilities at Henley (Changing Rooms, Showers etc). From what I have seen a fair extension but the land is there.

Knew there was a move towards it being more based in Coventry  particularly the training part didn't realise it was a wholesale move like it reads here.

Going to be a tough season for them this year though ahead of that and have to look to invest and  recruit heavily for the season after especially as premiership places are reassessed at the end of it. Tigers also setting up locally as well last season and Saints linking with Loughborough Lightning plus Worcester well established.

Yes - I think they are too late to the party. However they have, apparently, had fairly successful Womens Rugby Camps in the area - time will tell.
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: Chunky24 on July 20, 2022, 07:50:51 PM
This was known about. The only delay is extending the facilities at Henley (Changing Rooms, Showers etc). From what I have seen a fair extension but the land is there.

Knew there was a move towards it being more based in Coventry  particularly the training part didn't realise it was a wholesale move like it reads here.

Going to be a tough season for them this year though ahead of that and have to look to invest and  recruit heavily for the season after especially as premiership places are reassessed at the end of it. Tigers also setting up locally as well last season and Saints linking with Loughborough Lightning plus Worcester well established.

Yes - I think they are too late to the party. However they have, apparently, had fairly successful Womens Rugby Camps in the area - time will tell.

The girls rugby camps have been good, my daughter has been, but only odd day here and there. My daughter has also been to the Worcester ones which are multiple days and have significantly higher attendance. Also a lot the top u18 female players in Coventry are now going to Hartpury college for education and rugby, another top club not far away.
Still the best way to keep your premier 15s place is finish in the top 6 which guarantees it without any sort of review process also think I made a mistake in my earlier post and retendering is end of this season before the move and looking at Wasps loss of players versus others recruitment a guaranteed place looks unlikely.
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: Neils on July 20, 2022, 08:03:09 PM
Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on July 20, 2022, 08:10:20 PM
Once they’re Coventry based I hope we start to see some double headers with the Ladies game first.

It will provide an incentive for those of have a journey from hell to make more of an effort. 
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: Chunky24 on July 20, 2022, 08:15:38 PM
Once they’re Coventry based I hope we start to see some double headers with the Ladies game first.

It will provide an incentive for those of have a journey from hell to make more of an effort.

That's why it is so important they are still in Premier 15 top league when the move happens, double headers with Quins, Sarries etc will attract crowds, games in the second tier less likely too.
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: Chunky24 on July 26, 2022, 03:14:39 PM
Giselle Mather to Ealing Trailfinders women's rugby, another club enters the Premier 15s discussion for next retendering.

http://www.ealingtrailfinders.com/news/giselle-mather-becomes-ealing-trailfinders
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: MarleyWasp on July 26, 2022, 03:22:32 PM
LJ Lewis promoted to Head Coach: https://www.wasps.co.uk/news/lj-lewis-appointed-wasps-women-s-head-coach/
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: Steve from Cov on July 26, 2022, 04:52:56 PM
Best wishes to LJ.
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: MarleyWasp on August 01, 2022, 04:54:14 PM
Abby Dow staying for at least another season thankfully.
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: Neils on August 01, 2022, 05:19:24 PM
Abby Dow staying for at least another season thankfully.

Almost the only one
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: baldpaul101 on August 03, 2022, 09:39:40 AM
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Almost the only one

Apart form all the other re-signings they've announced:
Bryony Cleall
Meg Jones
Amy Wilson-Hardy
Celia Quansah etc etc.

Remember the womens game is very different, players move all the time. Its much more a game of musical chairs than the men's game
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: Chunky24 on August 03, 2022, 09:52:47 AM
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Almost the only one

Apart form all the other re-signings they've announced:
Bryony Cleall
Meg Jones
Amy Wilson-Hardy
Celia Quansah etc etc.

Remember the womens game is very different, players move all the time. Its much more a game of musical chairs than the men's game

Hints of more to come

https://twitter.com/waspswomen/status/1554181896640290817?t=JpQJh6Vr0qQ4zeEO2--mhw&s=19
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: Chunky24 on August 19, 2022, 11:53:32 AM
Good Giselle Mather article / interview, mentions possibility of Coventry move for Women but not confirmed as seemed to be previously thought in this thread.

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/leaving-wasps-and-the-ealing-adventure-by-stepping-down-theyve-realised-what-is-necessary/
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: Chunky24 on August 30, 2022, 10:03:25 AM
Teasing a signing for today, overseas by the look of it.

https://twitter.com/waspswomen/status/1564346898051469317?t=0yjWMJGr25vE4wsdlXHO6A&s=19
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: Neils on August 30, 2022, 10:44:49 AM
They really need to bolster the squad after so many departures.
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: SBSam on September 01, 2022, 09:34:23 PM
Good Giselle Mather article / interview, mentions possibility of Coventry move for Women but not confirmed as seemed to be previously thought in this thread.

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/leaving-wasps-and-the-ealing-adventure-by-stepping-down-theyve-realised-what-is-necessary/

I hate to say this, but I’m not sure Wasps Womens could play at the CBS Arena whilst the football club are there because of EFL groundshare rules, as follows:-

13.3  Ground sharing will only be approved at the discretion of the Board . The Board will ordinarily withhold approval in circumstances where the proposed ground share arrangement would result in the Club sharing occupation of the playing surface with more than one other individual team from another sport (by way of example, a Club sharing with one Rugby League team will be acceptable, but a Club seeking to share with a Rugby Union team and a Rugby League team, or two Rugby Union teams, will not).

Wasps mens and Wasps womens would be two RU teams. Clearly discretion could be applied: I doubt the recent pitch issues would help in that regard.
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: ardenwasp on September 01, 2022, 09:49:16 PM
Thanks Sam for pointing that out. Clear facts there… well apart from you stating you ‘hate to say it’
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: SBSam on September 01, 2022, 09:54:45 PM
Thanks Sam for pointing that out. Clear facts there… well apart from you stating you ‘hate to say it’

It had to be said but I hated to say it because I was expecting a robust reaction. As you know, I’m a shy, retiring type of chap.
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on September 01, 2022, 10:43:49 PM
All that says is that they are biased to refuse, not that they always will.

It strikes me that English football is determined to be the architect of its own economic downfall.

And if I were a Sky Blue I’d be very worried that Wasps brand succeeds and they test that rule. Where do they  go next?
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: SBSam on September 02, 2022, 08:02:25 AM
All that says is that they are biased to refuse, not that they always will.

It strikes me that English football is determined to be the architect of its own economic downfall.

And if I were a Sky Blue I’d be very worried that Wasps brand succeeds and they test that rule. Where do they  go next?

As both the rules and I said, discretion could be applied. The current groundshare will have been approved in the current situation where the rule applied without the need to use that discretion. I guess the determining factor would be how that is reflected in the lease agreement, if at all.

Are Wasps ladies formally part of Wasps RFC, for example owned by Wasps Holdings? Or is it more of a loose, historic affiliation? Do they get much in the terms of attendances?
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: Chunky24 on September 02, 2022, 09:14:45 AM
I would imagine they would play a few games at CBSA (mainly double headers), some at the training ground (possibly named as their home stadium) and others at venues around the area to get round that if necessary, don't think financially opening up the stadium for 1 off games at this stage would be worth it unfortunately. The main benefit of the proposed move is the training facilities.
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: Neils on September 02, 2022, 02:15:06 PM
STH this year get free access to Wasps Women's matches at the CBSA. It is included as a benefit so matches will happen (probably double headers).
Title: Re: Wasps Women
Post by: baldpaul101 on September 02, 2022, 02:58:18 PM
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I would imagine they would play a few games at CBSA (mainly double headers), some at the training ground (possibly named as their home stadium)

Quinn regularly play games at the Surrey Sports park and the Stoop so you something like the above is likely, IMO