Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: RogerE on January 18, 2022, 10:17:46 PM
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Someone sent me this.
If every oppostion scrum half did this it would soon stop this abomination
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Agree with sentiment,but was counting too fast.
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Gaskell really wound someone up doing this last season. Didn’t go down well at all
Seen a few others try it too. Clearly referees don’t like the facts presented to them that they’re not enforcing the laws
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Gaskell really wound someone up doing this last season. Didn’t go down well at all
Seen a few others try it too. Clearly referees don’t like the facts presented to them that they’re not enforcing the laws
Hamish Smailes.
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Gaskell really wound someone up doing this last season. Didn’t go down well at all
Seen a few others try it too. Clearly referees don’t like the facts presented to them that they’re not enforcing the laws
Hamish Smailes.
The issue was probably more that Smailes got confused once he got past 2. Wasn't he the ref that was pinging, probably Gaskell, time and again? Then Gaskell (?) came out after half time with a different scrum cap on and the pinging stopped!
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Gaskell really wound someone up doing this last season. Didn’t go down well at all
Seen a few others try it too. Clearly referees don’t like the facts presented to them that they’re not enforcing the laws
Hamish Smailes.
The issue was probably more that Smailes got confused once he got past 2. Wasn't he the ref that was pinging, probably Gaskell, time and again? Then Gaskell (?) came out after half time with a different scrum cap on and the pinging stopped!
Yes that is the game.
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The refs can silence the players but not the crowd. Simple way to solve this is for the crowd to call out the countdown (obviously only when the oppo have the ball)
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I think World Rugby need to change the rules so that the ref has to call 'Ball is out' as soon as the 5 seconds is up.
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The refs can silence the players but not the crowd. Simple way to solve this is for the crowd to call out the countdown (obviously only when the oppo have the ball)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The refs can silence the players but not the crowd. Simple way to solve this is for the crowd to call out the countdown (obviously only when the oppo have the ball)
Genius. I wouldn't expect referees to take much notice but it would definitely put extra pressure on the 9 to actually use the ball when he's supposed to.
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I have seen a couple of refs telling opposition to stop counting. Not entirely sure on why someone can't count down the 5 seconds?
Any refs on here that can confirm the legal footing for stopping it?
I was watching, I think the Bristol game, but could be wrong, where the ref penalised the 9 for taking too long. even the commentary team were amazed, don't think I've ever seen it before.
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I've seen Luke Pearce give a penalty but he hasn't done so for a while
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I have seen refs warn the 9, threaten to give a free kick, but bottle it and not do so despite persistent infringements.
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I have seen refs warn the 9, threaten to give a free kick, but bottle it and not do so despite persistent infringements.
They would only need to penalise a few times across the games to effect a complete change.
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The vast majority of times the ball is away within 5 seconds of the ref calling use it.
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I have seen refs warn the 9, threaten to give a free kick, but bottle it and not do so despite persistent infringements.
It’s a penalty offence? No wonder refs are reluctant to blow. Make it a free kick and I’ll bet they’ll blow more often.
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I have seen refs warn the 9, threaten to give a free kick, but bottle it and not do so despite persistent infringements.
It’s a penalty offence? No wonder refs are reluctant to blow. Make it a free kick and I’ll bet they’ll blow more often.
Penalty is a bit strong. Ref could always reverse the scrum?
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I have seen refs warn the 9, threaten to give a free kick, but bottle it and not do so despite persistent infringements.
It’s a penalty offence? No wonder refs are reluctant to blow. Make it a free kick and I’ll bet they’ll blow more often.
Is it? I thought it was just a free kick offence?
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I have seen refs warn the 9, threaten to give a free kick, but bottle it and not do so despite persistent infringements.
It’s a penalty offence? No wonder refs are reluctant to blow. Make it a free kick and I’ll bet they’ll blow more often.
Is it? I thought it was just a free kick offence?
It’s neither pen or free kick, the sanction is a scrum awarded to the opposition. Law 15.17 Ending a ruck. “When the ball has been clearly won by a team at the ruck, and is available to be played, the referee calls “use it”, after which the ball must be played away from the ruck within (note within, not after) five seconds. Sanction: Scrum”
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Thanks Nigel.
Can you shed any light on any technical reason why the oppo counting down the 5 seconds would be stopped by the ref?
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Thanks Nigel.
Can you shed any light on any technical reason why the oppo counting down the 5 seconds would be stopped by the ref?
Probably comes under the same context as shouting at the referee.
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Now against the EAs we all go 5-4-3-2-1.
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Thanks Nigel.
Can you shed any light on any technical reason why the oppo counting down the 5 seconds would be stopped by the ref?
Probably comes under the same context as shouting at the referee.
First point is that under Law 6.5.a "The referee is the sole judge of fact and of law during a match" and Law 9.27 "A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship" Those two laws are a sort of "catch all" to cover anything not specifically written into law (such as counting down 5 seconds at the ruck) If it's the referees judgement that it's against the spirit of god sportsmanship, those laws mean that you can't do it.
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Can't they just play Manfred Mann over the PA?
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Can't they just play Manfred Mann over the PA?
The club would get in trouble.
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Can't they just play Manfred Mann over the PA?
The club would get in trouble.
Pretty sure he was just jesting Nelly
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Can't they just play Manfred Mann over the PA?
The club would get in trouble.
Pretty sure he was just jesting Nelly
I didn't mean from the RFU, I meant form the fans. Poor taste and all that. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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How about the pips from Squid Game? Perhaps without the shooting of the offending 9 at the end of it.
If that's a bit to edgy, then maybe the pips from Radio 4.
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I have seen refs warn the 9, threaten to give a free kick, but bottle it and not do so despite persistent infringements >
It’s a penalty offence? No wonder refs are reluctant to blow. Make it a free kick and I’ll bet they’ll blow more often.
Is it? I thought it was just a free kick offence?
Well that was a senior moment, I’ve n idea where I got the idea it was a penalty from readin your post. :(
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I'd love to hear the crowd shouting at the oppo 9 "5-4-3-2-1" as long as they aren't too fast
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I have seen refs warn the 9, threaten to give a free kick, but bottle it and not do so despite persistent infringements.
It’s a penalty offence? No wonder refs are reluctant to blow. Make it a free kick and I’ll bet they’ll blow more often.
Is it? I thought it was just a free kick offence?
It’s neither pen or free kick, the sanction is a scrum awarded to the opposition. Law 15.17 Ending a ruck. “When the ball has been clearly won by a team at the ruck, and is available to be played, the referee calls “use it”, after which the ball must be played away from the ruck within (note within, not after) five seconds. Sanction: Scrum”
Problem with this is it’ll slow the game down even more stopping for the scrum and as a wasps fan, we probably wouldn’t want the scrum and would chance the catch from the box kick that 9s take about 15 seconds to set up
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I have seen refs warn the 9, threaten to give a free kick, but bottle it and not do so despite persistent infringements.
It’s a penalty offence? No wonder refs are reluctant to blow. Make it a free kick and I’ll bet they’ll blow more often.
Is it? I thought it was just a free kick offence?
It’s neither pen or free kick, the sanction is a scrum awarded to the opposition. Law 15.17 Ending a ruck. “When the ball has been clearly won by a team at the ruck, and is available to be played, the referee calls “use it”, after which the ball must be played away from the ruck within (note within, not after) five seconds. Sanction: Scrum”
Problem with this is it’ll slow the game down even more stopping for the scrum and as a wasps fan, we probably wouldn’t want the scrum and would chance the catch from the box kick that 9s take about 15 seconds to set up
I agree, a scrum as the sanction is counter productive, no wonder the refs don't use it. A free kick would be much better. For me free kicks should also be restricted to tap and pass, and penalties should be awarded only exceptionally from scrum 'infringements', with this type of tap and go free kick as the sanction instead. Repeated failed scrums does the game no good whatever.