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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: June 29, 2023, 12:19:05 PM »Mr Trailfinders spending big on playing staff and not so much for his 800 or so fans. At his age is their any succession planning?
Feels a bit Duckworth-y... perhaps...
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: June 29, 2023, 12:17:50 PM »Biyi > Ealing.
This one was announced in France a substantial while ago.
Ealing building a team to win the Championship by Christmas.
Must have missed that
Saw R92 had released the big lad, but not where he was off to. 33
Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: June 28, 2023, 02:15:08 PM »
Biyi > Ealing.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: It?s over?
« on: May 19, 2023, 09:03:02 AM »
Just.... bollocks, aye?
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Worcester - Atlas have until 2nd May to complete purchase
« on: May 11, 2023, 09:54:51 AM »Personally I can't see how Wasps would be in any position to compete with Ealing for players.
+1
Concur. Established Championship club, ambitious and well financed.
Wasps.... none of the above. At present.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Worcester - Atlas have until 2nd May to complete purchase
« on: May 10, 2023, 09:19:44 AM »
Lots to process, and sounds like a lot to do.
I think it's a shame that Solihull was relegated to Plan B, with the Sixways involvement taking top spot and, with the Atlas issues, muddying the water and (making an assumption here) delaying announcements and potentially the recruitment process.
I have no doubt people are working hard to make things happen, but the clock really does seem to be ticking.
Usually very optimistic, but feeling less so every day.
I think it's a shame that Solihull was relegated to Plan B, with the Sixways involvement taking top spot and, with the Atlas issues, muddying the water and (making an assumption here) delaying announcements and potentially the recruitment process.
I have no doubt people are working hard to make things happen, but the clock really does seem to be ticking.
Usually very optimistic, but feeling less so every day.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: TRP
« on: May 09, 2023, 10:06:10 AM »Armageddon beckons IMHO for professional club rugby in England.
The only way forward, as I see it is to go to the models that Ireland for years and Scotland, more recently, have adopted.
North, South, Central and West for example. To play in a UK and IRL comprtition.
Think I floated a regional approach on another thread. Could work, in the same way that the Super Rugby franchises operate above the club / league structure, with dual-registration and so on.
Would enable the four regions to be competitive at the top level (ie. with the French and Irish clubs and provinces) and club identities could be maintained below.
Won't happen though - requires radical thinking and balls on behalf of the governing bodies. No chance.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Worcester - Atlas have until 2nd May to complete purchase
« on: May 09, 2023, 09:22:50 AM »
Statement from Worcester Warriors Supporters Trust to RFU: https://www.wwst.co.uk/post/statement-to-rfu-8-5-23
A Statement from the Working Group of the Worcester Warriors Supporters Trust to the RFU: 08/05/2023
The RFU has confirmed that Wasps RFC has applied to play its home matches at Sixways Stadium, the home of Worcester Warriors, for the season 2023-24. We understand you wish to consult with local stakeholders. We believe that the supporters of Worcester Warriors are firmly in this category.
As you are aware, Atlas WWRFC has no plans for any Worcester Warriors Men?s team to play at Sixways for the foreseeable future. We believe that if Wasps become tenants at the stadium it would significantly impact, in a negative manner, the prospect of a phoenix Worcester team. Although most Warriors fans would choose not to support Wasps RFC, it is inevitable, over the proposed tenancy, that they would attract a local following. This would be to the detriment of pre-existing local rugby clubs, including any potential Warriors team. Wasps have no history in our local area; we believe they are intent on effectively poaching a ?ready-made? fan-base. There are other facilities closer to their previous ground(s); we do not believe they should be allowed to effectively set up a franchise in Worcestershire.
Additionally, from an administrative perspective, a Wasps? move to Sixways would be in direct contravention of RFU regulations 3.42(a), 5.71 and Regulation 5, Appendix 2, Section 15. We do not believe that Wasps have any right to be granted immunity from these regulations. They exist precisely for cases like this.
The Worcester Warriors Women?s team and Worcester Raiders FC play their home matches at Sixways. Currently the Warriors Women are the only elite level rugby team in Worcester and supporters would want them to remain as the primary tenant. We understand that both clubs have prospective deals to stay at Sixways. If Wasps also become tenants it would prevent a Worcester Warriors Men?s team playing at their own home ground due to fixture congestion. We see no other reason why Sixways could not host a phoenix Warriors team; Atlas WWRFC is hiding behind the idea that a lower league Warriors team would ?not be viable at Sixways?; we believe that they are simply trying to maximise their income from third party clubs and have no interest in reviving elite level men?s rugby under a Warriors banner. The supporters and the wider Worcester community have no desire for a cuckoo club to install itself at the Sixways Stadium or training facilities.
We also believe that the significant financial assistance provided by Loxwood Holdings Ltd., owned by Christopher Holland the owner of Wasps RFC, was the only reason that Atlas managed to complete their deal to buy Worcester Warriors. This is certainly not within the spirit of RFU regulation 4.2.1 and could be considered a breach.
Taking all these facts into consideration, we strongly urge the RFU to decline Wasps RFC?s application to play at Sixways Stadium. It would be unforgiveable if a club without any stadium or facilities, which has left behind vast debts and misery in Coventry, was given preferential treatment over our long-established club. The legacy of Cecil Duckworth, so important to everyone in Worcester, has been emasculated by both previous and current owners and we are determined that this must be reversed.
The working group are supportive of, and thankful for, the sentiment behind the RFU FAQ Document to ex-Warrior players released on 12th April. We agree with the regulations designed to prevent a club from effectively "buying a league position." We are against the Atlas plans to link up with Stourbridge RFC and hope the RFU do not permit them to progress.
I'll be honest: I find it hard to disagree with any of that. Very well stated.
A Statement from the Working Group of the Worcester Warriors Supporters Trust to the RFU: 08/05/2023
The RFU has confirmed that Wasps RFC has applied to play its home matches at Sixways Stadium, the home of Worcester Warriors, for the season 2023-24. We understand you wish to consult with local stakeholders. We believe that the supporters of Worcester Warriors are firmly in this category.
As you are aware, Atlas WWRFC has no plans for any Worcester Warriors Men?s team to play at Sixways for the foreseeable future. We believe that if Wasps become tenants at the stadium it would significantly impact, in a negative manner, the prospect of a phoenix Worcester team. Although most Warriors fans would choose not to support Wasps RFC, it is inevitable, over the proposed tenancy, that they would attract a local following. This would be to the detriment of pre-existing local rugby clubs, including any potential Warriors team. Wasps have no history in our local area; we believe they are intent on effectively poaching a ?ready-made? fan-base. There are other facilities closer to their previous ground(s); we do not believe they should be allowed to effectively set up a franchise in Worcestershire.
Additionally, from an administrative perspective, a Wasps? move to Sixways would be in direct contravention of RFU regulations 3.42(a), 5.71 and Regulation 5, Appendix 2, Section 15. We do not believe that Wasps have any right to be granted immunity from these regulations. They exist precisely for cases like this.
The Worcester Warriors Women?s team and Worcester Raiders FC play their home matches at Sixways. Currently the Warriors Women are the only elite level rugby team in Worcester and supporters would want them to remain as the primary tenant. We understand that both clubs have prospective deals to stay at Sixways. If Wasps also become tenants it would prevent a Worcester Warriors Men?s team playing at their own home ground due to fixture congestion. We see no other reason why Sixways could not host a phoenix Warriors team; Atlas WWRFC is hiding behind the idea that a lower league Warriors team would ?not be viable at Sixways?; we believe that they are simply trying to maximise their income from third party clubs and have no interest in reviving elite level men?s rugby under a Warriors banner. The supporters and the wider Worcester community have no desire for a cuckoo club to install itself at the Sixways Stadium or training facilities.
We also believe that the significant financial assistance provided by Loxwood Holdings Ltd., owned by Christopher Holland the owner of Wasps RFC, was the only reason that Atlas managed to complete their deal to buy Worcester Warriors. This is certainly not within the spirit of RFU regulation 4.2.1 and could be considered a breach.
Taking all these facts into consideration, we strongly urge the RFU to decline Wasps RFC?s application to play at Sixways Stadium. It would be unforgiveable if a club without any stadium or facilities, which has left behind vast debts and misery in Coventry, was given preferential treatment over our long-established club. The legacy of Cecil Duckworth, so important to everyone in Worcester, has been emasculated by both previous and current owners and we are determined that this must be reversed.
The working group are supportive of, and thankful for, the sentiment behind the RFU FAQ Document to ex-Warrior players released on 12th April. We agree with the regulations designed to prevent a club from effectively "buying a league position." We are against the Atlas plans to link up with Stourbridge RFC and hope the RFU do not permit them to progress.
I'll be honest: I find it hard to disagree with any of that. Very well stated.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: The endless thread
« on: April 27, 2023, 01:46:18 PM »
Sacked
(had to dramatically self-censor. That was not the first word I thought of).
(had to dramatically self-censor. That was not the first word I thought of).