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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: London Irish update
« on: March 16, 2024, 10:29:16 AM »
Looks like some have had a dig around this and it looks shakey.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: London Irish update
« on: March 16, 2024, 10:07:31 AM »

London Irish in advanced talks over takeover and eye 2025 return to Championship

Exclusive: Daniel Thomas Loitz is hopeful club would be able to compete in the Championship in time for the 2025-26 season
Tom Garry, Women's Football Reporter 16 March 2024 ? 8:34am
Related Topics

    London Irish RFC, RFU, RFU Championship, Gallagher Premiership



London Irish are in advanced talks over a takeover that would revive the professional club.

The club have been in administration since June 2023 but German investor Daniel Thomas Loitz, who heads up private investment holding company Hokulani Ltd, has been in negotiations to save them for several months.

A final agreement has not yet been reached but Telegraph Sport understands a deal is now closer than ever. A large number of separate creditors would have to sign off on any deal, but Loitz is hopeful that London Irish could be competing in the Championship, English rugby?s second tier, in time for the 2025-26 season.

Speaking exclusively to Telegraph Sport, Loitz said: ?London Irish is a wonderful brand and has so much history. I do not want to strive for idiotic things like immediate silverware, but I want to focus on the community, engaging with the fans and having an identity at the club.
Daniel Thomas Loitz - German investor poised to bring London Irish back as a professional club


?For example, I believe it?s necessary that we concentrate on producing players for the English youth national teams and mould players for the future. That?s good for the English game, it?s good for English rugby.

?We also want to make sure we have a great relationship with London Irish?s amateur club, and to have a pathway together where we can bring through talents.?

London Irish filed for administration last June following their suspension by the Rugby Football Union from all leagues for failing to provide proof of funds and ownership for the 2023-24 season.

Asked how soon London Irish could be competing again, Loitz added: ?The most realistic version of it would be 2025-26, because at this point there are so many parties involved in order to bring back Championship rugby with the London Irish brand, and I really understand that it?s reasonable for the RFU to never want to lose a brand like that again, because it would not look good. So we have to follow a process first, which I completely understand.

?I want to give credit to the RFU and the administrators from the Resolve Group and to Mick Crossan, who has said he wants the club to be in good hands. For them, it?s not about the money ? credit to all of them ? instead it?s been about the vision for the club.?

Loitz also says he wants the club to resume training at Hazelwood, the 63-acre training ground in Sunbury-on-Thames, which was the team?s base prior to them going under in the summer of 2023.

Hokulani Ltd already own several women?s football clubs around the world, including Halifax, who play in the Women?s National League Northern Premier Division, the third tier of English football.

In December, Hokulani purchased the franchise rights to one of the new women?s football clubs that will play in Canada?s ?Project 8? competition, a new, fully professional women?s league launching in 2025. That deal will involve building a club from scratch.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: March 15, 2024, 10:40:36 AM »
So does Thomas Ramos ::) ::)

Who is superior to all of those.

Usually!

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: March 11, 2024, 11:17:03 AM »
Quote
What happened to humour!

Well I found Scotland's performance on Saturday very humorous  :D
Cheered me up no end!

Excellent - anything that lightens you up is positive.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Matteo Retiring at 27
« on: March 09, 2024, 11:31:35 PM »
The Toulouse 15 made some impressive defensive moves on the Duhan

Kinghorn?

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: March 08, 2024, 11:26:43 PM »
What happened to humour!

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: March 08, 2024, 02:12:44 PM »
We could sell you Gregor who from very little can fashion an all conquering team ( well at least Engerland). Expensive though.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Wasps update February 2024
« on: March 06, 2024, 04:10:03 PM »
Don't agree with some peoples view of history. Wasps went bust because of decision Wasps made. No one else.

I do agree that maybe things could have gone differently after they went bust if the RFU & PRL had a better plan for the future, but ultimately Wasps caused their own demise.
If Wasps are allowed to come back as franchise club in the mythical Prem2 then what will happen with the "Rugby Debts"? Weren't these a pre req for any return above level 11?
Other debts are gone because Wasps was a business that went bust. Like any other business that goes bust debts are written off or a percentage recovered from sale of assets.

As for the URC, I cannot see a Wasps side recruited between now & September being able to compete with even the Welsh sides. For some people that might be OK but I don't want to watch my team losing by 50 points to Leinsters B team or equivalent every week. Plus away games that will be a struggle to attend & no relegation or promotion? Not for me thanks

It's 2025 they are aiming for I believe.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Wasps update February 2024
« on: March 05, 2024, 03:16:45 PM »
Coventry comments reported -

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/todays-rugby-news-fallen-english-28746693

And, just remember folks, Coventry never went bust and got demoted to the bottom most league. Oh, wait, they did go bust? Did they get kicked to the bottom? No. Short memories, people in glass houses.

Meritocracy my @r5e. Anywhere money is involved, there will be sharks and speakers of untruths.

Coventry entered administration, and were rescued a month later, paid off their rugby debts, retained their squad and were hit with a points deduction that relegated them.

Wasps went into administration, were relegated and were given opportunities to find alternative funding. They failed to do that.  They made every employee unemployed and wrapped up.  They were then given a considerable period of time to find alternative funding with a place in the championship open and waiting for them. They failed again. The club that once was is completely dead and has been for several years.

The situations are completely different. If coventry had not found their funding and gone out of existence they would have been forced to start from the bottom. If Wasps had found buyers and funding on the two separate occasions they were given opportunity to do so they'd be playing one division down from where they were when they went into administration, which is the same punishment dished out to coventry.

You seem to forget Wasps had finance arranged but the RFU would not meet the investors to give confidence that they would be supporting Prem 2. No confidence given and still that way. URC are at least welcoming at a high level.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Wasps update February 2024
« on: March 03, 2024, 06:46:00 PM »
I see Coventry Rugby see Wasps future in the URC (Rugby Paper).

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Wasps update February 2024
« on: March 01, 2024, 09:10:23 AM »
RugbyPass article  by the dubious Paul Smith also quoting the nasty Gilbert but worth a scan -


https://www.rugbypass.com/news/wasps-re-emergence-raises-more-questions-than-it-answers/

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Wasps update February 2024
« on: February 27, 2024, 08:48:14 PM »
All in favour of URC entry. However as I understand it it either needs a team to drop out or two new teams to wish to join.
Wasps would undoubtedly have a restraint of trade battle with the arrfyou if offered a place. Bring it on.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Wasps update February 2024
« on: February 26, 2024, 08:44:59 PM »
Great news for me. Firstly a sign of life and secondly I?m glad we?re looking at relaunching outside of the corrupt and stale Premiership.

+1

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Wasps update February 2024
« on: February 26, 2024, 06:01:49 PM »
Got five emails from them. Tried signing and it told me I already had.

Wasps in the URC.

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