Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: JonnyD on October 18, 2020, 12:47:53 AM
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Don’t think I’ve seen it on here yet but good old Ruck.co.uk have Brad as returning to NZ after the final.
Possibly not an accurate rumour as he re-signed his summer, but you never know. It was also Ruck who had us linked to Kolisi.
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Would be a real shame but I’m going to say this is probably just one of those page filler rumours.
Although it’s about club’s current Covid issue, this article (a few hours old), gives the impression that he is excited about the finals and the club’s future.
https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2020/oct/17/wasps-brad-shields-covid-testing-day-sale-exeter
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I think Brad must have had a difficult time when he moved here. The signing may have been triggered by discussions in the shadows (move to Eng and there's a good chance you can start an international career).
Things then probably didn't pan out how he had hoped and it probably took a bit of re-adjustment on his and his family's part.
I can't put my finger on why, but he seems like a changed man. Perhaps Jack and Tom Willis taking some of the media spotlight away from him has helped.
He's turned into a Richard Hill type player, going about his business, no-one really noticing.
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I really hope it's not true, he's been very good in recent months.
But perhaps he made the extension due to uncertainty, but now has decided to leave after getting an opportunity back home.
But once again Ruck is the source, so I don't trust it. And if I personally had to choose between Shields and Kolisi I'd choose Shields, because he's an incredible club player who isn't really getting international opportunity. He'd be here regularly for the club. Kolisi on the other hand while probably a better player wouldn't be here much...
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Not true- fast becoming a club man - interview in TRP today.
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Contradicts what's written elsewhere which says he's staying. For me he's been fantastic. Does a lot of the nitty gritty and is versatile. A real asset.
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Our back row is becoming a problem.
I think that most agree that if we have a do or die game, we'd want Willis and Young in the back row.
That means to play Shields as well, he has to be at 8.
I don't think we lose anything from his game by him being at 8, but I do wonder how much we miss the the explosive carrying that a big 8 could bring to us.
With Jack presumably being away with England a fair bit this year, maybe it won't be much of a problem.
Shields moves back to 6, and another Willis goes to 8 (presumably)
Does this therefore mean that Shields is an expensive 2nd choice, put a valuable 1st choice utility forward ?
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Brad, if necessary, can turn out in the second row also.
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Why do we not turn Alfie into an 8?
At 116kg he is 5kg heavier than Brad. He has better skills with ball in hand.
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Why do we not turn Alfie into an 8?
At 116kg he is 5kg heavier than Brad. He has better skills with ball in hand.
Brad is a quality player with leadership skills to match. He is a key squad member and an integral part of our resurgence. Alfie is the next generation and clearly very talented. We’re very fortunate to have both.
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I read the TRP article. It did not read as though he was likely to leave anytime soon.
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Why do we not turn Alfie into an 8?
At 116kg he is 5kg heavier than Brad. He has better skills with ball in hand.
Brad is a quality player with leadership skills to match. He is a key squad member and an integral part of our resurgence. Alfie is the next generation and clearly very talented. We’re very fortunate to have both.
Brad will be 30 in April.
Alfie is 20.
I am not sure Tom Willis is going to be International class at 8; he may be at 6.
Vailanu is a squad player.
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If Alfie can nail down the scrummaging and line out sides of hooker then you definitely want him as a hooker. He would be a really difference maker there. What he might offer at 8 could to some degree be offered by others what he might offer at 2 could make him unique in world rugby.
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Yes, but Alfie is tall for a hooker and Ogrhe has many of those other characteristics.
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For me Barbeary is a hooker who is being given time to play without the need to perform at the set piece. It's a good idea but a temporary one hopefully before he returns to the front row. Shields is immense and integral for the next few years.
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+1 regarding Brad, however I think Alfie has some of Ashley's attributes and we may see him in a fluid role for a while.
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I think Brad must have had a difficult time when he moved here. The signing may have been triggered by discussions in the shadows (move to Eng and there's a good chance you can start an international career).
Things then probably didn't pan out how he had hoped and it probably took a bit of re-adjustment on his and his family's part.
I can't put my finger on why, but he seems like a changed man. Perhaps Jack and Tom Willis taking some of the media spotlight away from him has helped.
He's turned into a Richard Hill type player, going about his business, no-one really noticing.
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There was a lot of expectation when he arrived and that *may* have put him under a bit too much pressure. Anyway, whatever happened he now seems to growing in to his role and circumstances and is quietly getting on with his job while others are justifiably getting the accolades.
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Alfie has a number of talents and it is better to use him to the maxx.
It is not about Brad Shields. He will be gone in 2-3 years.
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Yes, but Alfie is tall for a hooker and Ogrhe has many of those other characteristics.
In the Bristol game our comments around the table were that perhaps Thacker was maybe too short compared to his props. As with all team games it’s getting the balance right
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Yes, but Alfie is tall for a hooker and Ogrhe has many of those other characteristics.
In the Bristol game our comments around the table were that perhaps Thacker was maybe too short compared to his props. As with all team games it’s getting the balance right
That's what Leicester thought when they let Thacker go, wasn't it, and I'm sure they'd take him back any day!
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So here's the question I suppose.
Focusing solely on primary hooker skills, would we want Oghre or Barbeary as first choice over the course of the next year or 2 ?
I know that having both is a nice problem, but we want to make sure we're utilising their skillsets to the max.
I want to know which is the best hooker and then decide from there.
All I've seen so far is Barbeary ram through players (admittedly, a nice skill to have), but I haven't seen him hook a ball or throw into a lineout under pressure
Tom Lindsay was handy around the park but couldn't their straight enough under pressure.
Let's also not forget that Oghre has skills around the park too. He looked pretty handy in the back row as well.
However, I'm not sure that either start in the back row if we have 2 Willis's and a Young available
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Ogre is dynamite..love what he has - best 2 we have over the ball
Cruise is solid & epitomises giving 100% to the cause every week. - Great at everything, excels at nothing
TT is TT - Best defending 2 by some margin and top workrate
Barbearry - Without seeing I can't comment
I'm happy to wait a year to see what Barbs does at hooker...game time in the BR looks about right to me. Given the attrition in the BR i see him getting a bit of time here next season.
Never been so stocked in 1 position, i wouldn't bat an eye at any of the top three starting next week.