Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: Shugs on May 16, 2022, 08:30:39 PM
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By no means an official confirmation but according to the bookies Launchbury and Barbeary make the England squad for the summer. No surprises anywhere else according to them.
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By no means an official confirmation but according to the bookies Launchbury and Barbeary make the England squad for the summer. No surprises anywhere else according to them.
So that's wing and fullback covered....
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By no means an official confirmation but according to the bookies Launchbury and Barbeary make the England squad for the summer. No surprises anywhere else according to them.
So that's wing and fullback covered....
I was about to say the same thing!
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I would expect Jack Willis to tour also.
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Alfie, Jack and Joe all called up into training squad.
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Slade, Marchant, Youngs, Ford jettisoned.
Is there a reason why Slade/Marchant aren't in the squad?
Marler presumably is family related.
How on earth Ewels keeps his place in the squad i've got no idea.
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The squad in full
Props:
Alex Dombrandt (Harlequins, 9 caps)
Jack van Poortvliet (Leicester Tigers, uncapped)
Orlando Bailey (Bath Rugby, uncapped)
Fraser Dingwall (Northampton Saints, uncapped)
Tommy Freeman (Northampton Saints, uncapped)
Hooker:
Jack Willis (Wasps, 3 caps)
Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 70 caps)
Tom Pearson (London Irish, uncapped)
Second Row:
Henry Arundell (London Irish, uncapped)
Alex Mitchell (Northampton Saints, 1 cap)
Harry Randall (Bristol Bears, 6 caps)
Marcus Smith (Harlequins, 10 caps)
Back Row:
Maro Itoje (Saracens, 56 caps)
Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 93 caps)
Will Joseph (London Irish, uncapped)
Louis Lynagh (Harlequins, uncapped)
Freddie Steward (Leicester Tigers, 10 caps)
Manu Tuilagi (Sale Sharks, 46 caps)
Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, 51 caps)
Joe Cokanasiga (Bath Rugby, 11 caps)
Scrum Half:
Ollie Chessum (Leicester Tigers, 2 caps)
George McGuigan (Newcastle Falcons, uncapped)
Fly Half:
Jamie Blamire (Newcastle Falcons, 6 caps)
Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers, 36 caps)
George Furbank (Northampton Saints, 6 caps)
Centre:
Alfie Barbeary (Wasps, uncapped)
Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 40 caps)
Owen Farrell (Saracens, 94 caps)
Lewis Ludlam (Northampton Saints, 11 caps)
Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby, 28 caps)
Wing/Full Back:
Nic Dolly (Leicester Tigers, 1 cap)
Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby, 30 caps)
Joe Heyes (Leicester Tigers, 2 caps)
Bevan Rodd (Sale Sharks, 2 caps)
Will Stuart (Bath Rugby, 20 caps)
Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 67 caps)
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;D
Got Alfie's position right though, so phew.
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Good to see Wasps putting up two hookers :) :) :)
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and Mako playing as wing/full back, while Marcus Smith and Henry Arundell are playing in the 2nd row :)
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Alfie, Jack and Joe all called up into training squad.
Great news. Particularly pleased that Jack is back in the mix.
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It’s a little odd that none of Exeter‘s players have been selected in the training squad but Bath and Saints both have six.
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I know this is a training squad but there are some odd selections here.
Some rested as surely Slade and Marchant in particular have done nothing wrong - conspiracy theorist in me thinks the lack of centres is to accommodate Farrell at 12.
Realistically, are some these guys ready to be world class by the time of the World Cup despite being promising eg. Dingwall, Freeman, Dolly, Pearson.
Good to see JvP and Mitchell in there though, not sure what Quirke has done to upset Eddie
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Raffi Quirke has been ruled out for the remainder of this season's campaign with Sale and from the England tour of Australia with a torn-at-the-tendon hamstring injury that required an operation on Tuesday.
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Wonder what "work-ons" Arundell will be given when he doesn't make the final cut?
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Also odd Anthony Watson included, his is fit.
Would love Alfie to be able to play 12
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I'm easily confused, but Jones' England over the last couple of years have done little to reduce that confusion.....Two 5th place finishes in a row, in the 6Ns would have been curtains for most coaches. Add to that selections that seemed to go against the strategies/tactics that have worked and would maximise England winning any game over the next 18 months (i.e. to the RWC) and this selection demonstrates little, that provides confidence in England's chances in the RWC. Even allowing for the good draw....
England can win any game - it's nearly always been true - as we can select a powerful pack (probably select several...) which could dominate the set piece, the maul and get lots of possession. We've beaten the ABs several times because of that ability. But Jones' England in the last 2 (and especially the last) 6Ns have made selections that meant England's point of difference was negated - i.e. having a strong pack and having players who get over the gainline by power, offload or pace. And yet we seemed that without players like Billy/Mako V, Manu, Cokasinga or Watson and May, we seemed surprised that we lost 3 games and were pretty lucky in the other one vs Wales....
So - re England's squad....unless we start to look towards where our games have been won in recent times, individual selections - by themselves - are fun to chat about, but unlikely to improve England's chances...
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Wonder what "work-ons" Arundell will be given when he doesn't make the final cut?
Increase his speed?
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Interesting Tweet:
RugbyInsideLine
@RugbyInsideLine
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3h
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Gloucester 🍒 64-0 🛁 Bath
PLAYERS IN ENGLAND TRAINING SQUAD
Gloucester 🍒 0-6 🛁 Bath
Its not a reflection of how many foreigners have eiether.
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Pleased for the Wasps trio. But there are some bizarre selections in there. Six Bath players who have been dismal for two years. If Robson isn’t a better scrum half than Randall I’ll eat my hat. And the squad seems peculiarly short of centres. I don’t count Tuilagi who will probably pull out (and to be frank is still only a good player in the eyes of a strangely obsessed media). Only a training squad I know but it just continues to be both deflating and confusing.
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individual selections - by themselves - are fun to chat about, but unlikely to improve England's chances
exactly this.
Whilst its great for individuals to be given the opportunity to represent England ( & the cash that goes with it!!) I can't see many players outside of the 6 nations match day squads getting much game time on tour. I actually agree with that. You might as well pick a team that knows how to play the way Jones wants, even if it results in failure, rather than picking exciting youngsters & making them change the way they play....
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Interesting Tweet:
RugbyInsideLine
@RugbyInsideLine
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3h
SCORE
Gloucester 🍒 64-0 🛁 Bath
PLAYERS IN ENGLAND TRAINING SQUAD
Gloucester 🍒 0-6 🛁 Bath
Its not a reflection of how many foreigners have eiether.
Which English Gloucester players would you put in the England squad, and ahead of who? I would maybe make a case for Rapava-Ruskin, who I think is under-rated. Perhaps Freddie Clarke for the BaaBaas. But I wouldn't pick any others.
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And the squad seems peculiarly short of centres.
With so few centres in the squad, who will he play on the wing?
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Interesting Tweet:
RugbyInsideLine
@RugbyInsideLine
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3h
SCORE
Gloucester 🍒 64-0 🛁 Bath
PLAYERS IN ENGLAND TRAINING SQUAD
Gloucester 🍒 0-6 🛁 Bath
Its not a reflection of how many foreigners have eiether.
Which English Gloucester players would you put in the England squad, and ahead of who? I would maybe make a case for Rapava-Ruskin, who I think is under-rated. Perhaps Freddie Clarke for the BaaBaas. But I wouldn't pick any others.
I’d make a decent case for Ludlam, Singleton, Atkinson and Thorley.
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And the squad seems peculiarly short of centres.
With so few centres in the squad, who will he play on the wing?
:). Steward? There are precedents!!
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Another interesting Tweet:
Will Kelleher
@willgkelleher
Welcome new followers to our News from the #statcave tweet after each Eddie Jones squad.
Now up to 183 players picked since 2016.
Henry Arundell! Will Joseph! Jack van Poortvliet! Come on Down! (in the Price is Right announcer voice).
Remember, 43% never won a cap with him.
It would be interesting to know how this compares to other England head coaches and their peers in France (the other countries in the NH don't have the depth to make it a meaningful comparison), but my sense is that's a lot of players being rejected once Eddie has seen them in camp. What it does to moral I can only guess, but I don't think Paulo or Jacob are better players for their time in England camps, if anything I feel they've regressed.
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Wonder what "work-ons" Arundell will be given when he doesn't make the final cut?
Increase his speed?
No he's too fast and risks getting isolated if the rest can't keep up.
1. Needs to work on slowing down
2. Needs to work on his kicking because that's the strategy for the whole team
3. Needs to practice wearing gloves because his hands will get cold waiting for a pass from his centres that never comes
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4. his kick chase
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;D
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Needs to cut out the sidesteps. Everybody knows the shortest way between 2 points is a straight line, mate.
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Interesting Tweet:
RugbyInsideLine
@RugbyInsideLine
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3h
SCORE
Gloucester 🍒 64-0 🛁 Bath
PLAYERS IN ENGLAND TRAINING SQUAD
Gloucester 🍒 0-6 🛁 Bath
Its not a reflection of how many foreigners have eiether.
Which English Gloucester players would you put in the England squad, and ahead of who? I would maybe make a case for Rapava-Ruskin, who I think is under-rated. Perhaps Freddie Clarke for the BaaBaas. But I wouldn't pick any others.
I’d make a decent case for Ludlam, Singleton, Atkinson and Thorley.
Do you mean Ludlow? Ludlam of Saints is in the squad. Afraid I disagree on the others. Singleton doesn't start enough, and I'd put him behind Oghre anyway. But McGuigan is one of the best hookers in the league. Atkinson isn't good enough, and Thorley is in no kind of form at all.
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Yes, sorry, Ludlow. To take them one by one. Is Ludlow better than Ewels? Is Atkinson better than - well no-one really. Is Thorley better than Watson/Steward as a wing. Is Singleton better than Blamire? Up for debate but I can understand why Glaws think they should have one or two in.
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Yes, sorry, Ludlow. To take them one by one. Is Ludlow better than Ewels? Is Atkinson better than - well no-one really. Is Thorley better than Watson/Steward as a wing. Is Singleton better than Blamire? Up for debate but I can understand why Glaws think they should have one or two in.
More to the point surely Elliot Stooke is better than Ewells?
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Yes, sorry, Ludlow. To take them one by one. Is Ludlow better than Ewels? Is Atkinson better than - well no-one really. Is Thorley better than Watson/Steward as a wing. Is Singleton better than Blamire? Up for debate but I can understand why Glaws think they should have one or two in.
Ludlow and Ewels are not like for like though. I don't think Ewels should be in the squad, I'm actually amazed he is, but Ludlow wouldn't be who I replaced him with. I would look at someone like Robinson at Newcastle, or even Freddie Clarke.