Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: RBB on March 22, 2021, 12:28:36 PM
-
His Instagram story this morning showed him in a hospital with the caption 'Another One', which could be him talking about something else than his foot injury of course.
-
His Instagram story this morning showed him in a hospital with the caption 'Another One', which could be him talking about something else than his foot injury of course.
Sorry for him but turning out to be a really good signing - not!
-
Did he look injured, or maybe he has had a new baby?
-
Assuming it is his legs in the photo then he is in a gown.
I guess he could have had a baby, he has been out so long none of us would have noticed the bump!
-
He may simply be having the metalwork removed after his original operation
-
Assuming it is his legs in the photo then he is in a gown.
I guess he could have had a baby, he has been out so long none of us would have noticed the bump!
😂😂😂
Seem to have got a lockdown bump myself!
-
Did he look injured, or maybe he has had a new baby?
His wife had their baby on the 11th January, so unless they’re rabbits we can strike that one out 😂
-
:)But it is a VERY good day to have as your birthday. Welcome Baby Mills
-
Confirmed it’s a second foot surgery that will see him out of another 6 months:
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/rugby/wasps-rugby-news-ryan-mills-20231627
-
Bugger. Must be so frustrating for him.
-
Bugger. Must be so frustrating for him.
Him and us!
-
I feel for him, however...
We need to make 12 a priority signing now, Jimmy is probably in his last full season, Spink has disappeared off the face of the earth, MLB is okay but not a first pick. Given Mills' fragility, not just with us but also previously with Warriors then Lee will have to give this some thought if he hasn't already, and he won't be match fit until late Autumn even if physically fit.
-
Bugger. Must be so frustrating for him.
In these tough times with no free cash available frustrating doesn't really cover it. Wasps cannot afford to be paying players that never play. We just don't have the money. This has proved to be a very bad signing in hindsight. How long does a player have to be unavailable for before medical release clauses kick in?
-
Are there insurances to cover injured players wages?
-
Bugger. Must be so frustrating for him.
In these tough times with no free cash available frustrating doesn't really cover it. Wasps cannot afford to be paying players that never play. We just don't have the money. This has proved to be a very bad signing in hindsight. How long does a player have to be unavailable for before medical release clauses kick in?
+1 on the bad signing, I think there was a feeling he was made of glass and sadly it has been proven. He is undoubtedly a talented player but not really robust enough.
-
Are there insurances to cover injured players wages?
I think so - there used to be anyway.
-
:)But it is a VERY good day to have as your birthday. Welcome Baby Mills
I think we can both agree on that, hehe.
-
Are there insurances to cover injured players wages?
I think so - there used to be anyway.
Must be for a limited time ? Think it came up with Sam Jones when it seemed to run out because it was an England training issue but club continued to pay him half pay
-
I feel for him, however...
We need to make 12 a priority signing now, Jimmy is probably in his last full season, Spink has disappeared off the face of the earth, MLB is okay but not a first pick. Given Mills' fragility, not just with us but also previously with Warriors then Lee will have to give this some thought if he hasn't already, and he won't be match fit until late Autumn even if physically fit.
Ollie Devoto anyone?!?!?!
-
Are there insurances to cover injured players wages?
I think so - there used to be anyway.
Must be for a limited time ? Think it came up with Sam Jones when it seemed to run out because it was an England training issue but club continued to pay him half pay
Correct but Sam was a long time out before ending. Unfortunately- still miss him.
-
I feel for him, however...
We need to make 12 a priority signing now, Jimmy is probably in his last full season, Spink has disappeared off the face of the earth, MLB is okay but not a first pick. Given Mills' fragility, not just with us but also previously with Warriors then Lee will have to give this some thought if he hasn't already, and he won't be match fit until late Autumn even if physically fit.
Ollie Devoto anyone?!?!?!
Yes please a solid player.
-
I feel for him, however...
We need to make 12 a priority signing now, Jimmy is probably in his last full season, Spink has disappeared off the face of the earth, MLB is okay but not a first pick. Given Mills' fragility, not just with us but also previously with Warriors then Lee will have to give this some thought if he hasn't already, and he won't be match fit until late Autumn even if physically fit.
Ollie Devoto anyone?!?!?!
Yes please a solid player.
We were linked to him whilst he was at Bath - in fact the wife of a former work mate, who worked in the Bath Rugby back office, was convinced we had signed him before he signed for Exeter.
-
I feel for him, however...
We need to make 12 a priority signing now, Jimmy is probably in his last full season, Spink has disappeared off the face of the earth, MLB is okay but not a first pick. Given Mills' fragility, not just with us but also previously with Warriors then Lee will have to give this some thought if he hasn't already, and he won't be match fit until late Autumn even if physically fit.
Ollie Devoto anyone?!?!?!
Yes please a solid player.
We were linked to him whilst he was at Bath - in fact the wife of a former work mate, who worked in the Bath Rugby back office, was convinced we had signed him before he signed for Exeter.
Would love it to happen, but Baxter and this forum addressed he's not a free agent at the end of the season.
-
My fav "under rated 12" is Sam Hill, now at Sale
Part of some successful England U 20's teams and was in the main squad briefly in 2016. Been unlucky with injury (timing rather than incidence) having played 147 games at Exeter
The sort of pragmatic 12 that would work in most teams. But would need a 15 that doubles as a second 5/8th - NZ style. Same sort of NZ 12 too - solid.....
-
The indestructible Saffer 12 is something worth considering. It is working pretty well for Quins.
-
With current financial constraints I feel this will have to be solved "in house". Combination of Le Bourgeois, Gopperth and more time for Spink or even Simonds. Less desirable option would be Fekitoa to 12 with Odogwu 13. Completely left field - Atkinson? Likes a tackle, takes contact well, good step, natural distributor?
-
With current financial constraints I feel this will have to be solved "in house". Combination of Le Bourgeois, Gopperth and more time for Spink or even Simonds. Less desirable option would be Fekitoa to 12 with Odogwu 13. Completely left field - Atkinson? Likes a tackle, takes contact well, good step, natural distributor?
What about JdJ? He seems to have dropped out of favour this season but he’s back from injury. Quite under-rated in my opinion.
I agree with the Spink option. He shares that same energy as other youngsters and just needs more game time (and fewer injuries). He carries well, doesn’t shy away from big tackles and has very decent pace.
-
With current financial constraints I feel this will have to be solved "in house". Combination of Le Bourgeois, Gopperth and more time for Spink or even Simonds. Less desirable option would be Fekitoa to 12 with Odogwu 13. Completely left field - Atkinson? Likes a tackle, takes contact well, good step, natural distributor?
These are good suggestions
-
I must admit, I too, was thinking about Malakai at 12 with Paolo at 13. Does anybody know if Malakai played much at 12?
-
The indestructible Saffer 12 is something worth considering. It is working pretty well for Quins.
Normally yes, but it hasn't worked too well for Sale with van Rensburg.
-
Just done some research. According to NZ sources he can play second 5/8 or centre. Watch this space for the team announcement of Friday.
-
There's also Sopoaga who has occasionally played 12.
Is he fit?
Is he definitely off next season?
If we're struggling to play him at 10 and 15 at the moment, then maybe a try out at 12 isn't ridiculous
-
I must admit, I too, was thinking about Malakai at 12 with Paolo at 13. Does anybody know if Malakai played much at 12?
12 and 13 are very different roles. What we will lack at 12 is someone like Le Bourgeois, but who can mix it up with kicks and changes of direction/plan. That is, react to what is in front of them. That player is Jimmy, but that cannot be for much longer. None of those mentioned (in house) can do this, and nothing I have seen of the younger players does either. That was why we signed Mills, but at the time the injury prone nature of Mills was writ large and should not have been ignored. Fekitoa and Odogwu are both ideal 13 material, but not 12s. Same goes for JdeJ (although I don't see him being kept at the next end of contract). Spink is much the same. Will Simonds I see as more of the full height full back we need; good in the air and running, but his kicking game is also lacking.
What we need is a rare commodity in Northern Hemisphere rugby, but is fairly common in South Africa and New Zealand. So, as JdeJ, Jimmy and Mills go, we need one, maybe two imports. And, maybe, start to look to recruit at the U18 level for that style of player. 12 (and 13) cannot be seen as merely a conduit between 10 and the wings, but that is how English rugby sees them right now. It wasn't so when I was playing (just before they invented cars).
-
One player not mentioned as a possible 12 is our Mr Reliable, who is good at both 10 and 15, and has, in the past been played on the wing.
Edit: forgot to put in name - Rob Miller :-[
-
One player not mentioned as a possible 12 is our Mr Reliable, who is good at both 10 and 15, and has, in the past been played on the wing.
Wouldn't be adverse to that.
-
Whoever might end up playing at 12 - it should (if choices are available) depend upon the style we want to play. I've always liked the NZ style of having a large off loading 12 with a second 5/8th style full back so you get that two handed distribution.
Or...you have that second distributor at 12 - our more recent template - and look to a mazy runner at FB to take advantage of the 10/12 combination (to precis rather...)
Ryan was a good pick as he was both a robust 100kg player, but one who had game time at 10. In a club team that would have offered a wider range of options than perhaps required at international level. But if he's not going to make it then I think we first need to decide how we're going to play over the next 5 years. Post Jimmy.
-
One player not mentioned as a possible 12 is our Mr Reliable, who is good at both 10 and 15, and has, in the past been played on the wing.
Edit: forgot to put in name - Rob Miller :-[
A good kicker. An intelligent rugby brain. Good in defence. Used to making flexible decisions based on what is in front of him. Yes, I agree.
-
One player not mentioned as a possible 12 is our Mr Reliable, who is good at both 10 and 15, and has, in the past been played on the wing.
Edit: forgot to put in name - Rob Miller :-[
Didn't need to!
-
The biggest problem with Miller is we need him at 15. We've looked so much more secure all round with him there but especially under the high ball. I must admit I really don't think Minozzi gives us much and defensively Sopoaga (if fit) was wobbly. I'd be OK with Simonds at FB and Miller at 12.
-
I believe we've played Miller at 12 a couple of times...
But I can't remember if he started there or covered it from the bench or 15
-
I believe we've played Miller at 12 a couple of times...
But I can't remember if he started there or covered it from the bench or 15
He’s had a few starts at 10 but not 12. Could be from the bench as you said but it doesn’t ring a bell to me.
-
Not to criticize Miller, but wouldn't it be better to try and groom someone from the academy to play there or someone who's not towards the end of their career?
I reckon Miller will be used as a good ol' reliable Fullback rather than trying to build a new strategy around him.
-
The challenge for Lee is to play Malakai and Paolo in the same team, without dropping either Josh or Zak.
-
The challenge for Lee is to play Malakai and Paolo in the same team, without dropping either Josh or Zak.
Bassett to FB, Miller 12, Paolo 11?? Too many out of position?
-
The challenge for Lee is to play Malakai and Paolo in the same team, without dropping either Josh or Zak.
Bassett to FB, Miller 12, Paolo 11?? Too many out of position?
Sounds like an England squad selection
-
Tom Hardwick is still available isn’t he?
Although rumoured to be off to Bristol this kid has all the talent and will be a class act eventually, think he’d be a fantastic long term prospect at 12 but think he potentially wants to play 10.
Didn’t get on much with Borthwick by all accounts but obviously his dad has Cov links and we also have his younger brother already signed up in the academy and he is tipped for big things too
-
If we have to select a 12 that is non ideal, then I would go with a ten-, which means Jacob or Charlie- rather than having two 13s on the pitch. That said none of us knew that Paulo would be so good at 13, so we do not know who could adapt.
-
Tom Hardwick is still available isn’t he?
Although rumoured to be off to Bristol this kid has all the talent and will be a class act eventually, think he’d be a fantastic long term prospect at 12 but think he potentially wants to play 10.
Didn’t get on much with Borthwick by all accounts but obviously his dad has Cov links and we also have his younger brother already signed up in the academy and he is tipped for big things too
And Tigers have just signed Freddie Burns again.
-
Hardwick's brother is in our academy. Though both have a lot of baggage apparently.
Miller won't play 12. Our issue is we need more of a Giteau (if only!) type 12 than a Nonu type for our style of play - though a botcher wouldn't go amiss. Having that second distributor and kicker is important for us, but maybe we need to change tack a bit. Put it this way, Malakai won't kick much from 12! But having him and Paolo in the centres, with Jimmy at 10, would give us some serious power.
Minozzi has played 12 for Italy...
-
Well we do have a bosher with aspirations to play 12 in Barbeary!! Not sure he'd kick much either! I can't see Minozzi cutting the mustard there.
-
Fekitoa has won 9 of his 24 All Blacks caps at 12.
-
Well we do have a bosher with aspirations to play 12 in Barbeary!! Not sure he'd kick much either! I can't see Minozzi cutting the mustard there.
The Barbeary video on the other thread would suggest otherwise!