Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: wycombewasp on September 26, 2020, 03:07:47 PM
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the cheats are out and long may they stay so
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Puts paid to any potential debate if they were to win it as to their right to defend it.
Racing played all the rugby and definitely deserved it. Would love to see Finn Russell at 10 for the Lions next year.
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Really made my day, also watching daly mess up
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Absolutely delighted!!!Yelling fit to bust!
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Must be absolutely heart breaking for them to lead most of the way but lose it to a late try.
Lol.
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Well done Racing 92.
Patience and skill eventually came through versus the turgid Sarries style.
The better team are in the Final.
And thousands more will tune in to watch their style of rugby in the Final.
Sarries had an illegal squad at the start of this competition and therefore its only just they don’t make the final.
Yes, they have great team spirit. That’s a given.
And they are supremely powerful.
But, they offered nothing in flair and adventure this afternoon, killing it as a spectacle for rugby fans.
So glad Racing 92 are through.
And EVEN MORE PROUD that our very own Wasps have demolished Saracens BOTH HOME AND AWAY this season, playing extraordinary free-flowing, beautiful, stunning, watchable rugby.
The kind of rugby that draws in new (much needed) sporting fans around the country and around the world.
Go Wasps!!
Go Racing 92!!
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Rather good.
Although thoroughly pee'ed off with the commentators continually referring to a "depleted EA team/squad".
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PS - so good to see Briefcase fouling up.
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Rather good.
Although thoroughly pee'ed off with the commentators continually referring to a "depleted EA team/squad".
Wasn't just me then.
2nd semi is intriguing. Toulouse, the established European rugby super power that have been on the wane for a number of years against Exeter, finally progressing in Europe after being consistently top 2 (along with a team that wrre cheating) domestically.
I fancy Toulouse to edge this one.
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Daly's game management in that last 5 mins was all over the place. Although it was a quality chip and catch for the try.
I did have a wry smile as an old news story from yesterday flashed up on my phone saying that it is the big European games like today which was why Daly moved... Childish I know but in current times I'm looking for anything to raise smile.
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As PROVEN cheats, this puts the final nail in the coffin of a wretched season for them. It would of been scandalous if they had retained the title and would of raised questions about the integrity of the sport.
I am egging on Exeter (no qualms there) but I simply couldn’t support a team that have knowingly manipulated the system for years and still continue to vehemently plead their innocence. I do feel for the supporters and players/management who genuinely were not aware of the behind the scene cons, but as they say you reap what you sow and here’s for hoping this may knock some sense and humility into them.
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PS - so good to see Briefcase fouling up.
He left to win things, and might well get a Championship medal next year.
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PS - so good to see Briefcase fouling up.
He left to win things, and might well get a Championship medal next year.
Let's hope not.
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PS - so good to see Briefcase fouling up.
He left to win things, and might well get a Championship medal next year.
Let's hope not.
Isn’t the resumption of the 20/21 Championship still up in the air?
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Interesting use of "depleted".
To my knowledge it has never meant "having to play by the same rules as everyone else after having been caught serially breaking them and not being entirely honest about it".
I'm all for language moving with the times, but this us a bit much.
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PS - so good to see Briefcase fouling up.
I didn't watch it, although I have seen the excellent try at the end, what did/didn't he do?
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Tackled the 9 at the ruck before he had the ball.
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And as for the 3 in the studio, all very pro-cheats. Those poor innocent darlings don't deserve the criticism, they kept saying and implying. Very biased.
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The title of this thread triggered the memory of a chant that used to ring at Adams Park when I used to watch Wycombe Wanderers and one of the opposition took an obvious, or not even obvious, dive:
"Cheat fell over, cheat fell over ....."
Rather apt given the circumstances.
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I'm really confused about the narrative around the cheats. There was constant talk of a depleted squad and even reference to "alleged" rule breaking. They were missing key internationals etc etc. This was an expensively assembled squad which Sarries accepted relegation over rather than have people dig around in. How the coaches are still in place bemuses me. They should never have been allowed to compete until back under the cap and everything won over the last few years should be handed back.
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+1
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I'm all for letting cheats defend the next title they win. It'll be the English Championship title after all!
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+ another 1. I have great difficulty in believing the players who claim that none of therm had any idea at all that there were any irregulerities in salary payements. Ooooo.
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My 'plus 1' was for Shug's posting. I took too long typing it out.
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When it comes to Saracens, sympathy is just a word in the dictionary between s**t and syphilis...
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McCall tonight:
""A lot of people have talked rubbish about us for a long time. But if you look at the squad here probably our best player was Dom Morris, and if you're telling me we're breaking the salary cap that's an interesting one."
Well, at least we can now forget about them for a season; more if there is no Championship in 20/21.
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McCall tonight:
""A lot of people have talked rubbish about us for a long time. But if you look at the squad here probably our best player was Dom Morris, and if you're telling me we're breaking the salary cap that's an interesting one."
Well, at least we can now forget about them for a season; more if there is no Championship in 20/21.
The flippin cheek! No humility or decency. So what other possible plausible reason, besides a cover up, could of made them choose to accept relegation as opposed to have their books audited and clear their name?
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PS - so good to see Briefcase fouling up.
He left to win things, and might well get a Championship medal next year.
He left for a pay cut according to Sarries fans. It was balls, but he might get it if they don't play their games.....
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Just a thought - given the current C19 situation, will there be any Champioship rugby next season?
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So, if we are to imagine a situation where the 2020/21 Championship season is cancelled entirely and the Premiership season goes ahead as planned (or a little later than planned as reported in tomorrow's press), the logical solution to the promotion / relegation conundrum that this would throw up would be to scrap relegation from the Premiership for a season as no Championship team will have earned the right to replace them. In seasons gone by, Newcastle or Irish or Worcester or Bristol (or even Northampton and Quins going back a bit further) would've just had to suck it up. Why do I suspect a solution will be found that allows for Sarries immediate return to the Premiership??
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. Why do I suspect a solution will be found that allows for Sarries immediate return to the Premiership??
I see what you mean but I can’t see any legal way to justify this based on the scenario you set out. It would be unlawful and there is no current regulation that would permit this. If Ealing threatened legal action after the decision to promote Newcastle earlier this year (and there were justifiable reasons to support the promotion), I can’t see how the remaining 11 Championship teams will take it lying down if Sarries were promoted back up as you said.
Then again logic doesn’t always prevail with the ‘higher powers’ ...
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If Leicester finish bottom — and that has to be a distinct possibility— then promotion/relegation arguments could get very interesting.
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Would I be right in thinking most sympathies here would lie with Tigers if that were to be the case?
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Leicester can't finish bottom this season, or do you mean next season? If so then of course they won't have our sympathy and should be relegated just like any other team despite their fan base.
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Leicester can't finish bottom this season, or do you mean next season? If so then of course they won't have our sympathy and should be relegated just like any other team despite their fan base.
But if there were to be no Championship season then who would replace them?
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Ealing??
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While I'm concerned that the cheats will be allowed to escape the consequences of their prolonged, systematic cheating, I'm not going to worry about that for now.
I'm simply going to enjoy them having lost.
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I think the pundits fawning over them sickening, the EAs systematically cheated the system at the cost of other teams/players/supporters and there are people who still think they have been wronged.
To quote the late great Brian Clough;
"As far as I'm concerned you can throw all those medals you've won in the bin, because you won them all by cheating"
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I think the pundits fawning over them sickening, the EAs systematically cheated the system at the cost of other teams/players/supporters and there are people who still think they have been wronged.
To quote the late great Brian Clough;
"As far as I'm concerned you can throw all those medals you've won in the bin, because you won them all by cheating"
Yes indeed - The most sickening thing is some Sarries fans who are trying a new line - certainly in the Guardian comments - "we had greater ambitions" "the Prem titles didn't mean much" "perhaps we can go play in Pro 14" "you can't prove everyone else wasn't cheating too"
Too many are saying we're over reacting.......I've let it go, but when Sarries fans are taking the piss then its hard not to react.....
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The reason this is happening is that no sanctions of any type were made against the coaching staff, who still blather on about the wonderful Sarries culture.
The culling of McCall and Sanderson would have changed a few attitudes.
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PS - so good to see Briefcase fouling up.
He left to win things, and might well get a Championship medal next year.
He left for a pay cut according to Sarries fans. It was balls, but he might get it if they don't play their games.....
That was a statement floating around at the time.
Dai said in an interview that it wasn't true.
I believe from statements etc that he went for less than Wasps offered him to stay but it wasn't less than he was on. I think we dodged a bullet with him leaving as I can't think of anyone I'd drop to put him the matchday 23.
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Don't confuse Daly's official salary with what he actually gets after various other bits and pieces are taken into account...
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I think we dodged a bullet with him leaving as I can't think of anyone I'd drop to put him the matchday 23.
Damn right, andermt.
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The reason this is happening is that no sanctions of any type were made against the coaching staff, who still blather on about the wonderful Sarries culture.
The culling of McCall and Sanderson would have changed a few attitudes.
Must be easy to have a winning culture when you can afford to employ more than half of the Lions pack and at least three likely Lions starters in the backs......
One so called fan suggested their Prem titles didn't mean much after the first......I rose to the bait.....
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Oof that's a tough call. Daly in his prime no question I'd have in our squad. No question.
Right no however? Including his shocking behaviour on field, conceding penalties and throwing people around off the ball, not a chance he'd get a place in our squad. More of a liability than a lion sadly.
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Oof that's a tough call. Daly in his prime no question I'd have in our squad. No question.
Right no however? Including his shocking behaviour on field, conceding penalties and throwing people around off the ball, not a chance he'd get a place in our squad. More of a liability than a lion sadly.
I'm not convinced Daly in his prime ever existed.
I think when he was with us he started off as a youngster with a huge amount of potential and bucketloads of talent, he spent a few years not really realising his potential and throwing the odd strop. Then when he finally settled down and started to actually develop towards the player we all knew he could one day be he started behaving like a complete prima donna, fell off tackles, and lived off his international reputation more than his performances with us.
Yes he had moments of pure brilliance, but other than his long range boot he rarely brought much to our game in any reliable way. When he finally left most of us were glad to see the back of him.
If there was ever a prime example of Dai picking players on reputation regardless of how well they delivered on the field it wss Daly.
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There's been a lot of talk on various Wasps Facebook page that revelling in Sarries misery is not in the ethos of the game. Thing is, what they did wasn't in the bloody ethos of the game and neither is their carrying on as if they've not really done much wrong. I agree with previous posters here that all of the coaching staff should have received some sort of punishment and for me, there is no punishment too great for the club as a whole, I really would be quite happy to see them die off as a club after what they've done.
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Oof that's a tough call. Daly in his prime no question I'd have in our squad. No question.
Right no however? Including his shocking behaviour on field, conceding penalties and throwing people around off the ball, not a chance he'd get a place in our squad. More of a liability than a lion sadly.
I'm not convinced Daly in his prime ever existed.
I think when he was with us he started off as a youngster with a huge amount of potential and bucketloads of talent, he spent a few years not really realising his potential and throwing the odd strop. Then when he finally settled down and started to actually develop towards the player we all knew he could one day be he started behaving like a complete prima donna, fell off tackles, and lived off his international reputation more than his performances with us.
Yes he had moments of pure brilliance, but other than his long range boot he rarely brought much to our game in any reliable way. When he finally left most of us were glad to see the back of him.
If there was ever a prime example of Dai picking players on reputation regardless of how well they delivered on the field it wss Daly.
Yes, agree with that. There was about half a season just prior to England selection when he was playing 13 where he looked really good. Once the England selection happened it all went downhill with a mixture of arrogance and experiments with position. The kindest thing I'd say now is that he's a natural fit for Sarries.
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I'm content with revelling in Saracens misery but as a liberal I do feel a genuine pity to the Saracens supporters who are ashamed of their clubs cheating as it really could of happened to any club who was owned by a selfish, win at all costs, chancer in the vein of Nigel Wray.
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I'm content with revelling in Saracens misery but as a liberal I do feel a genuine pity to the Saracens supporters who are ashamed of their clubs cheating as it really could of happened to any club who was owned by a selfish, win at all costs, chancer in the vein of Nigel Wray.
Hear hear!
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coddy,
Sadly, I know (the) two Saracens supporters and neither of them has shown the slightest upset at what the club and its management have stood for these last five years. "We'll come straight back up" was the response from one of them FFS. Needless to say, I shan't be bothering with either of them in the future.