Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: Vespula Vulgaris on November 28, 2020, 03:08:24 PM
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Anyone got a working stream? I can't find one...
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Nope. Had a really bad one for saints. Given up on this one. Will watch next week probably.
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So far a mixture of silly and harsh penalties killing us.
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We're having possession and every so often finding gaps, but not quite stringing it together.
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Think the ref hates grey
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Has BT Sport crashed does anyone know? Can’t get either match (Saints or ours).
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I'm getting it on my iPad.
Lack of consistency on rolling away!
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BT been working fine for both matches for me
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Anyone got a working stream? I can't find one...
Cazn't find one either, none of the usual suspects are working.
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Racking up the injuries
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BT fine with me. BT 3 on the red button.
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Anyone else think the ref is thevet from the specsaver advert?
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Booj with his first
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Le Bourgeois scores off a loose wasps lineout, thought we made a mess, but Gloucester just watched le bourgeois run off with it
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Yes BT fine here. Hamish Smales doesn't like us but seems to be patting Glaws players on the back. MLB in!!
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VipBox working now
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Stuttering mess, but it's the game: https://www.viprow.me/gloucester-vs-wasps-1-online-stream
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How the hell are the players in red being allowed to fly in
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How the hell are the players in red being allowed to fly in
+1
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Glad it wasn't just me, twelvetrees straight off his feet with a shoulder to the ribs of a Wasps player
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Very good at two players running in together used to be called obstruction.
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How is that not obstruction from the restart? We're going to have to beat 16 to win this.
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Did anyone check whether the ref had donkey hooves?
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So the ref is ignoring glaws being offside, ignoring glaws obstructions, ignoring glaws players turning over ball while on their knees, ignoring glaws shoulder charges. Absolute sh*te ref.
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Scrappy. Jimmy's missed touched led to them spending 15 minutes in our half. We're getting pinged for absolutely everything without a moments hesitation and Glaws just aren't. Nothing in it and if we can get some territory they don't look great defensively.
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So the ref is ignoring glaws being offside, ignoring glaws obstructions, ignoring glaws players turning over ball while on their knees, ignoring glaws shoulder charges. Absolute sh*te ref.
You're being kind. He's also missed a forward pass or two,
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I can't get a decent stream, when I do manage to see any of it I see us capitulating to a blatantly one sided ref. I know I like to blame the ref a little when actually we're just playing badly, but this is something else. I don't know if I can bring myself to keep watching it.
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For that last penalty, 36 made zero effort to roll away until their player had latched onto the ball.
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While I don't think wasps are helping themselves, we are getting pinged for everything by the ref, yet Glos are getting away with a lot.
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That grey/yellow kit is an abomination and should be consigned to the bin at the first opportunity.
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To repeatedly ping Gaskell for failing to roll away within half a second to then ignore twelvetress have a nap on the ball for the pen that led to the try was actually quite impressive.
Can't see us getting anything out of this.
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Certainly worse than last week, where stick was given out to the ref on the various match threads and discussion that I felt was a bit harsh.
Certainly feel we have the brown end of the stick today,which is unusual for me, with us being penalised for not teleporting away whilst they launch players off feet like guided missiles with impunity......
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I know we need to bring new refs into the game if it is to keep going, but perhaps we could teach them the basics of how the game is played first?
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Think we could do with an extra Jimmy or two out there today.....
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We got on the wrong side of the ref early on when Jamma started counting down after Smales called use it when Simmo was doing his dither. Told him in no uncertain terms not to do it.
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It's like that time Maxwell-Keys red-carded Nathan for being near George North when he knocked himself out.
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Another dig-in and fight back needed.
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Glaws would appear to be fielding an eztra man - in blues, with a beard.
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Glaws would appear to be fielding an eztra man - in blues, with a beard.
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That was a quick start to the dig-in :)
Nice to see Thomas getting a run, he's been saying he wants more ball in hand time
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I certainly don't think we are at our absolute best today but sir is certainly doing his best to help Gloucester
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I certainly don't think we are at our absolute best today but sir is certainly doing his best to help Gloucester
Cardall given an official warning for standing in the wrong place when the ball was dead. Sums up the whole game for me.
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Anyone else hear the tmo ask the ref if he was going to do anything about the Gloucester fouling.
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Does offside not matter to this ref
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Lima getting in to the game with some nice touches.
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Morris with a perfect turnover.
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Is this ref blind. What could Morris have done better there?!
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Commentator "Wasps getting into a good position for the turnover."
Ref gives penalty to Glaws.
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Commentary on the BT very telling - legal turn over for us, must be a penalty to them.
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Douglas got punched in the face there.
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They knock on so we have a player carded. I actually can't watch this shit any more.
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Lee may as well take the boys off and let Smales know hes won.
This has been quite extraordinary.
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Gloucester awarded a penalty for jacking on their knees then Morris penalised for being too slow even though he was first in. .. Terrible
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Genuinely one of the most inept refereeing performances I've ever seen
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Missing tackles in a criminal way.
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Gloucester awarded a penalty for jacking on their knees then Morris penalised for being too slow even though he was first in. .. Terrible
Think it was JTA who was pinged for not rolling away quick enough. But still should have been our turnover. Gloucs have been slower to roll away and not pinged.
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I wouildn't be in the least bit surprised if the ref awarded Glaws a penalty because we were LBW. But he's not being helped, Douglas got an elbow in the face, surely the TMO should have seen that.
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What the hell was that penalty against Barbeary for? He chased his own kick!
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"...but the referee thinks othewrwise."
Ain't that the truth.
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All over now. I don't like blaming the ref and we've not been great but jeez this reffing display has been extraordinarily bad. Needs looking at. Totally spoiled the game.
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What the hell was that penalty against Barbeary for? He chased his own kick!
Totally agree.
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Credit to Glaws, they've played some good rugby and its their their fault the ref's been inept.
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Depends how much they paid him
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That's it, I'm off to watch the England game :(
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Down to earth with a bump, for sure.
Painful to watch, and not just the ref.
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Anyone else think Jimmy has lost his 10 touch
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That's it, I'm off to watch the England game :(
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Interesting scoreline in the international and the referee seems to know the laws
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That's it, I'm off to watch the England game :(
Me too.
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Didn't someone check the stats a couple of years ago that showed Wasps matches had a disproportionately high number of inexperienced refs and very low number of internetional quality refs?
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Been there since HT!
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Didn't someone check the stats a couple of years ago that showed Wasps matches had a disproportionately high number of inexperienced refs and very low number of internetional quality refs?
Yes think it was on DW
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Anyone else think Jimmy has lost his 10 touch
Today yes. Very slow play through the backs, don’t seem to have too many plays. Some days just don’t work out. Don’t agree glaws are out playing us just think we aren’t creating anything.
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It says something when half the people on thai forum don't even bother to watch the end of the game.
That was atrocious.
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Try Odogwu, but too little too late
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Ok so ref sends a glaws man off for repeated pens. Restarts with more pens why doesn’t he send another one off?
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Bonus point well done odogwu
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What a brilliant end.
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Stopped watching soon after halftime. And wot's more - I don't like that dreary depressing foggy grey strip either!
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Try Odogwu, but too little too late
X2 for a bp
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A second from Odogwu! Finish with try bonus point. Good determination.
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Great cameo at the end, super finish.
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It says something when half the people on thai forum don't even bother to watch the end of the game.
That was atrocious.
It was. Our breakdown play was terrible.
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Disappointing but a glimmer at the end with two tries for the BP. Ref was dreadful but to try and look at some positives. We got a point, Douglas, Odogwu and Young looked good. Barbeary and Douglas punched good holes. We're really missing Fekitoa's power at centre and it's not coincidence that I don't think we turned them over more than twice (and that includes Morris's legal but penalised one). We just looked off it a bit and were probably caught out by a slight dip in quality in key positions.
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That was pretty awful but that absolutely abysmal performance by referee Smales was enough to knock the stuffing out of any team. Credit to the boys getting 2 tries in 2 minutes at the end to gain a TBP. I hope I never see Smales refereeing a Wasps game again. Makes CMK look almost brilliant.
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That was pretty awful but that absolutely abysmal performance by referee Smales was enough to knock the stuffing out of any team. Credit to the boys getting 2 tries in 2 minutes at the end to gain a TBP. I hope I never see Smales refereeing a Wasps game again. Makes CMK look almost brilliant.
If previous seasons are anything to go by we'll have him 2 or 3 times more before we get assigned an international ref
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I really hope that Lee doesn't take the Dai route of not complaining about the ref. There should be comment made. That was a totally inept even biased four man squad of officials today.
That is not to excuse Wasps play.
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Yeah that was bad. Perhaps just winning last week it didn't hit the players how bad we were, then this week play bad again and we aren't so lucky!
The ref was awful. But it's not entirely his fault. Our defence and work at the breakdown was appalling at times. Wasn't sure about Atkinson from his performance, but perhaps he's being eased in, would like to see him play more to see what he's like. I'm not sure we used Gopperth at 10 properly. He's not the most creative, but he's very reliable.
Odogwu did well to score those 2 tries, proving good off the bench. Wolstenholme was quite mature too, prefer him to vellacott. Oddly enough I thought Lima was good at times, one of the few really igniting the attack.
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Positives in Odogwu, Douglas, Alfie, Lima and West. Not disgraced in Morris, Cruse, YY and JTA. Rest a bit meh.
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Injuries are a real concern now. Credit to the lads for a late BP. Really need to up our game now.
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I think there were some pluses for us today, though not really in the forwards.
Wolstenholme - good overall play needs to work on his kicking though
Booj - some positive contributions including try
Lima - tried to make things happen and defended well
Odogwu - very lively and 2 tries in his short stint. He'll up our intensity if he plays like that consistently from the start
Kibirige kick for last try - potential stand in for Jacob?
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Whilst tempting to look towards the officials - it wasn't why we lost/lost by so many. We didn't play well as a team, and we lacked power. We also defended at maul time/around the maul poorly, possibly linked to our apparent lack of power. Ball in hand, we looked too often as if we were not on the same wavelength or were trying it on too much when the more obvious was an option. We gave them two tries at least. This wasn't helpful
Sure, the reffing of the scrum was a lottery and if the ref calls "use it" and there is a problem (As there was) you need the ref to call on it. But again, it was a detail. The ref do ok at certain points of Law around the breakdown but whilst this allowed mostly, quick ball, he also allowed too often, hands once it was a ruck.
We only looked like the team we were end of last season, once the game was effectively lost - but we then played with the tempo that's needed, especially vs a team that would have been given "some firm instruction" after the game last week. We missed the players injured early doors and obviously those away with Internationals, but we need just to get back our mojo and soon.
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Jack comes on at 60 for Tom Curry but Dan gets all of 5 minutes. Why f*cking bother?
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When you get on the wrong side of the ref early on it's hard to know whether the end result is because you play badly or because you get reffed out of the game. I think it was an unhealthy dose of both.
Smales was poor, from letting Simmo keep the ball at the back of the fuck for 12 seconds after calling use it, to inconsistent interpretation of rolling away and legal tackles. What summed it up was the way he picked on Jamma in the first half. Jamma changed his scrum cap at half time and was suddenly able to get away with a side entry at a ruck a minute or two after Gloucester got penalised for the same thing.
We didn't help ourselves either. Tackling and game management poor. We failed to adapt to the ref. Personally I don't think Douglas did much wrong for his yellow card, but it was obvious he was going to sin bin the next player who stopped Gloucester regardless. We seem to lack the ability to pick our fights some days and today was one of them.
One plus point though. Odogwu's second try was a try of the season contender...
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Mike909 I agree we looked underpowered. Thought we really missed Shields and the things he does so well. Taking JL and WR out of the second row really leaves us mobile but lightweight in there. But it was indeed the detail. Little things like JG missing touch, SW kicking straight out and missing too many tackles. It's inevitable that when we're missing JU, BS, JL, WR, MF, JW and DR that our performance will dip and that is what happened. I'm worried about De Jongh's form - he looks really out of sorts.
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It wasn't s day for kickers, not sure if it was conditions, but everyone from both teams had some kicks go wrong
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I hope the players can take something from the way they played at the end. It was almost like they relaxed a bit and things started flowing.
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Having left to watch the England game, I'm not usually one to leave early but the reffing was so frustrating, and missed two tries the upside was:
Joe had a cracking game. Lots of that work that doesn't get commentators excited but is the foundations most teams need.
Jack came on as a HIA replacement and was solid. Tough to get in that back row.
Dobbie was given just enough time so that Eddie can say he's been given a go.
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Jack comes on at 60 for Tom Curry but Dan gets all of 5 minutes. Why f*cking bother?
With the bench that Eddie had selected, only two backs, meant that with Watson coming on earlier, Dobbie was covering a lot of options just in case another back got injured.
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What summed it up was the way he picked on Jamma in the first half.
As I said earlier in the thread, Jamma got right up his nose early in the game when he started counting down after Smales had called 'use it' and Simmo was dithering and not getting the ball away. AFAIK, there is nothing in the laws that says you can't count down. Smales just told him to stop - he definitely didn't like it.
I noticed the blue scrum cap as well. I may be wrong but I don't think Jamma got penalised at all in the second half ;)
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Dan will be fortunate to be retained after that performance - on the field for a full four minutes and never kicked it once! ;) Joe has been magnificent of late and hopefully is EJiot's starting lock from now on. Jack did what Jack does.
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Is it just my wasps-tinted glasses or does Joe deserve the credit for Maco's try? The commentators were going on about Maco's ability but I'm not convinced he had much to do with the score. He ran straight and got blocked easily, Joe grabbed him, spun him round and over the line, no way it would have been a score without Joe's strength and invention.
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Is it just my wasps-tinted glasses or does Joe deserve the credit for Maco's try? The commentators were going on about Maco's ability but I'm not convinced he had much to do with the score. He ran straight and got blocked easily, Joe grabbed him, spun him round and over the line, no way it would have been a score without Joe's strength and invention.
He does
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I make the same comment immediately after Maco scored. Joe definitely put in another huge shift yesterday.
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Interesting that some ( including myself) thought BB’s player ratings were a bit high .The Rugby paper seems to agree with him, so maybe we weren’t as bad as it seemed.
What I found noticeable was that in the other games yesterday there seemed to be a lot more chatter from the other officials to and from the referee,even if it was just a confirmation. I didn’t get that feeling in our game (apart from scrums)Maybe he wanted to make all the decisions himself. Similar to how CMK started. I guess they want to make their mark , but really?
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I think our issues from yesterday and the Sale game were almost identical and for me are more psychological than anything else. Both times we got on the wrong side of the ref, or got frustrated with the way the game was being reffed.
When that happens, we tend to lose our heads a bit. The frustration leads to penalties, which puts pressure on us and we then try to force things putting more pressure on us.
It’s almost like we need to reset and either find a way to contain our frustrations or trust our game or try and change the way we’re playing to fall in line with the game is being reffed.
Despite being pinged a lot in the first half, we know we can score tries quickly so think we needed to be a little more patient with ourselves, trust our defence and then go full beans when it was on. Alfie was probably prime suspect of trying too hard - flying out of the line etc...
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I think our issues from yesterday and the Sale game were almost identical and for me are more psychological than anything else. Both times we got on the wrong side of the ref, or got frustrated with the way the game was being reffed.
When that happens, we tend to lose our heads a bit. The frustration leads to penalties, which puts pressure on us and we then try to force things putting more pressure on us.
It’s almost like we need to reset and either find a way to contain our frustrations or trust our game or try and change the way we’re playing to fall in line with the game is being reffed.
Despite being pinged a lot in the first half, we know we can score tries quickly so think we needed to be a little more patient with ourselves, trust our defence and then go full beans when it was on. Alfie was probably prime suspect of trying too hard - flying out of the line etc...
That's where strong leadership on the pitch is needed.
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Agreed Heathen and it's easy for us to say that, but using the Sale game as an example, even Launch looked totally frustrated with the Ref. So even for some of our most experienced players, it's something that I think needs some working out.
Haskell likens trying to change tactics on the pitch as like trying to turn an oil-tanker, to get 15 players to change the tactics and thinking that's been drummed into them all week and all with different levels of fatigue is easier said than done.
I'm not sure what the fix is, but was more an observation that we get sucked into a self-destruct type cycle when these things start to happen.
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Thing is, when a game is reffed so badly/inconsistently, I don't see how you can adapt. It reminds me of a referee we had on one of the ships I served on, if we were playing in a foreign port and he reffed the game, he would overcompensate for being "one of us" and ping us for absolutely everything, while frequently missing the same offences by the opposition, we'd seldom win if he reffed us.. Smales' performance seemed very similar to me.