Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: DGP Wasp on April 20, 2021, 03:45:58 PM
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RFU have concluded their review...
https://www.englandrugby.com/news/article/rugby-football-union-concludes-six-nations-debrief
The panel concluded that while there were a number of contributing factors that led to England’s disappointing fifth place ranking in the Guinness Six Nations and the focus will be on addressing these systemic challenges, there were some specific factors that had an influence on the 2021 Guinness Six Nations tournament as follows:
• Coaching – the absence of Jason Ryles and Neil Craig were a significant loss in coaching expertise and team support, this had a significant impact on the wider coaching team. The initial unavailability of Matt Proudfoot and isolation of Eddie Jones also had an affect on the effectiveness of the coaching team.
• Player preparation and availability – several players did not have enough game time going into the Guinness Six Nations. Conversely a wider group were fatigued as a result of being the only country to have back-to-back seasons; resulting in players having no mental break from one season to the next. In addition, a handful of notable players were unavailable.
• Breakdown indiscipline – improvements required including lower body strength and appropriate skill modifications.
• Covid – the necessary stringent protocols, in some cases greater than other Unions, had a significant impact on coaching and support staff as well as the playing squad cohesion.
• Squad transition – the agreed protocols, which the RFU and Eddie were fully supportive of due to Covid challenges, meant fixed squads prevented players coming in and out during the campaign as they would normally.
So it was mostly down to COVID as England's measures were so very different from anyone else's.
And the Premiership clubs who played their own players too much while not letting Sarries join in.
That and the fact that players lacked the skills and physical attributes required to compete at the breakdown.
Oh, and they couldn't rotate players in and out of the squad. Except Joe Marchant. And George Martin.
Nothing at all to do with misguided selection based on misplaced loyalty then?
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;D ;D ;D ;D
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So, they privately asked a bunch of players hoping to be selected again, and they did not say 'blame the coach who picked me'. I am shocked, shocked.
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More like the RFU didn't have the cash or the bottle to give Eddie the push.
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Wow, now blaming the fixed nature of the squad as an issue after Eddie insisted on it at the start.
Surely the issue that a number of players did not have enough gametime leading up to the 6 nations is exactly an Eddie issue as he chose to pick them all!!!
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... but at least they all know what they have to do, which is ..... ?
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Picking players who are not match fit (either little/no game, or too much ) is not the responsibility of the head coach? And the recommendations to be implemented are not already done?
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Well this just amounts to complete drivel. Several of the "factors" were common across all the teams. The whole thing is a total waste of time. Ask a sample of 100 varied fans and you will get two common and fundamental themes 1) Poor selection 2) Poor game plan.
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Well this just amounts to complete drivel. Several of the "factors" were common across all the teams. The whole thing is a total waste of time. Ask a sample of 100 varied fans and you will get two common and fundamental themes 1) Poor selection 2) Poor game plan.
Did you expect anything else?
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Well this just amounts to complete drivel. Several of the "factors" were common across all the teams. The whole thing is a total waste of time. Ask a sample of 100 varied fans and you will get two common and fundamental themes 1) Poor selection 2) Poor game plan.
Did you expect anything else?
No. That expectation at least has been met!
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Picking players who are not match fit (either little/no game, or too much ) is not the responsibility of the head coach? And the recommendations to be implemented are not already done?
My thoughts were similar. The problem in 2021, was a combination of picking out of form and unfit players in a team could still play well, if and only if, they were organised/playing well up front. Showed that vs France second half and part of the Wales game. But I don't see what benefit there is in playing out of form/unfit players. Does nothing for them nor the team who even when obviously fitter, were made to look a little dull by what's a decent but not extraordinary Ireland side.
That's all down to the coach. The same coach who if complaining about player pool was the one who made bizarre selections to the shadow squad, picked a flanker who has started 4 Prem games ever, and then selected players like Lawrence, who never got a pass, and were then dropped...for - who knows, eh?
And given who was asked......whitewash hardly covers it......
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Well this just amounts to complete drivel. Several of the "factors" were common across all the teams. The whole thing is a total waste of time. Ask a sample of 100 varied fans and you will get two common and fundamental themes 1) Poor selection 2) Poor game plan.
Did you expect anything else?
No. That expectation at least has been met!
:) :) :)
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...and in other news there is strong evidence of ursine defacation in forested areas.
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The RFU don't seem to know a lot about rubgy at any level.
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I was painting canal side stonework for the CRT with whitewash on Sunday (I volunteer at Knowle Locks), but we ran out as two of the big tubs of whitewash were missing from our order. Now I know where they went.
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I was painting canal side stonework for the CRT with whitewash on Sunday (I volunteer at Knowle Locks), but we ran out as two of the big tubs of whitewash were missing from our order. Now I know where they went.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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well all the EA players and Mark Wilson were clearly not going to be match fit yet constituted a hair percentage of the team
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When I suggested elsewhere that:
I merely suggesting the output from a highly paid coach and players, last season wasn't up to scratch and that probably needed some explanation. And one beyond "we'll come to that later" It's quite insulting to fans too. And the explanations provided are limp
It's as if many so called England fans are happy to "wait to see" because "Eddie has spoken" and said that attack would come later...
Which was rich, given the defence was ordinary and the front foot looked fine...in the moments when the team didn't look like they'd just met....
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Jeez.
So Eddie didn't have the right coaching team, he picked the wrong players, they weren't fit enough (despite being in his camp beforehand), they did the wrong things on the pitch, and yet it wasn't his fault.
Can someone just give him a bloody trophy so he'll piss off and then we can get back to actually playing rugby.
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Jeez.
So Eddie didn't have the right coaching team, he picked the wrong players, they weren't fit enough (despite being in his camp beforehand), they did the wrong things on the pitch, and yet it wasn't his fault.
Can someone just give him a bloody trophy so he'll piss off and then we can get back to actually playing rugby.
Poor bloke should get a bonus and a contract extension having had to deal with all those “mitigating factors”!
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With regards to selection, was Eddie restricted to picking the bulk of his squad from the EPS?
We don't hear a lot about the EPS these days, but a few years ago, you were only allowed to select the squad from the EPS, and could only make changes to it a couple of times per year.
Without sounding like I'm trying to defend Eddie (cos I'm really not), were his hands tied a bit on selection?
(Even though I ask the question, I still expect Eddie would have picked Farrell, George, Itoje, Daly etc even if there was no EPS)
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With regards to selection, was Eddie restricted to picking the bulk of his squad from the EPS?
We don't hear a lot about the EPS these days, but a few years ago, you were only allowed to select the squad from the EPS, and could only make changes to it a couple of times per year.
Without sounding like I'm trying to defend Eddie (cos I'm really not), were his hands tied a bit on selection?
(Even though I ask the question, I still expect Eddie would have picked Farrell, George, Itoje, Daly etc even if there was no EPS)
Simple question. Why did he initially stick with only 28 in his squad (bubble), one of whom he clearly had no intention of playing at all?
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Surely Saracens were already relegated before the EPS was selected. Eddie knew who wouldn't be getting top level games. The Championship fixtures were probably already delayed before he picked the EPS.
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Reflecting and looking at the Guardian coverage, several key issues appear. Many commentators BTL on that paper suggest that Jones' record and that he's said "we'll deal with attack later" means I was being churlish, to suggest it's reasonable that being the most highly paid coach means there is rightly an expectation of results.
But specifics:
A) Selection. His squad was his choice, knowing that the EA players were not match fit
B) Selection, within a 28 man squad, a man he was never going to play, a man with 4 Prem starts and a man in Lawrence, not even given a sniff - means you had to play unfit out of form players.
C) Penalty machines - the failure to recognise how the breakdown reffing was evolving (you only had to watch some Pro 14 ffs or any SH games) is the coach's fault
D) Attitude. Losses are never great but performances like those vs Scotland, Ireland and Wales reflect upon how the squad and coach are going.....even in 2018, the team didn't give up.
E) Defence. It wasn't the attack that was the problem, but leaking points - c.f. Italy game.....
It's not too late to change...c.f South Africa.....My feeling is that Jones' tenure will leave England in a weaker position than when he took over. Lancaster's record was only (and it's a big only) blotted by the RWC and losing one game, essentially...by 3 points....and being pissed about with big Sam. But doing well on tours to NZ and SA....Jones took that squad - based in part on other people's work on the U-20's and did well enough as new coach and then, seemed to lose his way. A losing RWC final means he's as good or bad as Geoff Cooke and Brian Ashton......
But looking forwards - England have a lot of really good younger players who need to be brought through and I don't think that's likely, and unlike the other 6Ns teams, we didn't use the Autumn Cup to take a wider look and ended up reconfirming a conservative game plan and conservative selection, still with little idea of who would be next in line for the spine of the team.
I would like to be proved wrong...but without some intelligent movement, we'll just continue to be the England who can win any game, but often look clueless when matched or there is a need to move off script.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/56830518
Chris Jones saying on the BBC what everyone on here has said
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/56830518
Chris Jones saying on the BBC what everyone on here has said
Can't argue with that!