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Title: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Raggs on October 30, 2021, 02:03:23 PM
Only starting this early because those looking to find a way to watch might want to take a look at this post. Not tried myself.

https://notplanetrugby.com/viewtopic.php?p=150246#p150246
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on October 30, 2021, 02:27:17 PM
For some reason VIPBox used to show Rugby Pass games, but not this year. The game is listed, but no stream as far as I can see. It will be a bit more obvious closer to the game start, as their steams often start with only seconds to spare.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Raggs on October 30, 2021, 02:41:23 PM
For some reason VIPBox used to show Rugby Pass games, but not this year. The game is listed, but no stream as far as I can see. It will be a bit more obvious closer to the game start, as their steams often start with only seconds to spare.

Apparently the one in the post I linked, does carry them all.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on October 30, 2021, 02:48:02 PM
The rugby on the couch one? If so, that site is way too intrusive.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: wasps on October 30, 2021, 02:57:21 PM

VK.com is essentially Russia's Facebook.
I'd never heard of it, but it's in the top 10 of websites visited in the world, so it's as legit as any social media website that's probably harvesting all information that you enter.

It comes down to how much you trust the moral compass of a  Russian websitea Vs an American one
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: JF on October 30, 2021, 02:59:36 PM
Can't find a stream at any of my regular haunts.  :(
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on October 30, 2021, 03:02:56 PM
I'm setting for Saints v Tigers. The radio commentary isn't usually much good.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Raggs on October 30, 2021, 03:05:21 PM
Seems to work a bit more easily: https://vk.com/video/@rugbyonsofa

And I never visit any of these sites without using an incognito mode browser and a vpn running.

Working brilliantly for me.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Raggs on October 30, 2021, 03:13:03 PM
Loveloy crossfield kick from Umaga, Bassett with the offload off the ground to Fifita who just about controls to score. Going to TMO though I think.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Raggs on October 30, 2021, 03:13:48 PM
No angle showing a clear offside from the ikick, try given. Great start overall really.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: bigad82 on October 30, 2021, 03:14:37 PM
Is it Flatman on lead commentary?
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: JF on October 30, 2021, 03:15:33 PM
Is that Flats doing the commentary?
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Raggs on October 30, 2021, 03:17:35 PM
Is it Flatman on lead commentary?

He's the sole commentator, they've given him the job a few times now. He's better as colour, but they've probably done this to help him learn the trade.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: bigad82 on October 30, 2021, 03:25:09 PM
Is it Flatman on lead commentary?

He's the sole commentator, they've given him the job a few times now. He's better as colour, but they've probably done this to help him learn the trade.
He doesn't know when to stop.A bit of coaching he could be a top commentator.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Raggs on October 30, 2021, 03:27:41 PM
Is it Flatman on lead commentary?

He's the sole commentator, they've given him the job a few times now. He's better as colour, but they've probably done this to help him learn the trade.
He doesn't know when stop.A bit of coaching he could be a top commentator.

I guess this is why they're giving him these games, investing in someone who could be a great commentator, and getting them high level experience, but likely not too exposed.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Raggs on October 30, 2021, 03:29:00 PM
Robsons gone, groin.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: bigad82 on October 30, 2021, 03:36:28 PM
Wasps make it so easy for teams at times.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Shugs on October 30, 2021, 03:40:04 PM
Frustrating at the minute - our handling is poor. And Jeez the CWR commentary is difficult to follow.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Shugs on October 30, 2021, 03:42:07 PM
Although I’m amazed we can’t beat them considering CWR have Orlando Bloom at 10 for them.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: JonnyD on October 30, 2021, 03:52:56 PM
So is that Oghre, Porter and Hislop injured already?
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Shugs on October 30, 2021, 03:53:03 PM
Oghre and Hislop gone as well by the sound of it. Wasted a couple of chances from 5m. Might come back to bite us. Have a bad feeling about this one.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Shugs on October 30, 2021, 03:53:49 PM
So is that Oghre, Porter and Hislop injured already?
Oghre, Robson and Hislop.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Raggs on October 30, 2021, 03:55:02 PM
So is that Oghre, Porter and Hislop injured already?
Oghre, Robson and Hislop.

Didn't notice Hislop going off, the other two did. Wondering as Oghre was HIA (looked like his arm was hurt actually), if they aren't trying to patch him up and get him back on.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: JonnyD on October 30, 2021, 03:57:23 PM
Sorry Robson not Porter.
Radio suggesting Oghre was ankle and that Nearchou was on at the end of the half
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on October 30, 2021, 03:59:36 PM
Seems to work a bit more easily: https://vk.com/video/@rugbyonsofa

And I never visit any of these sites without using an incognito mode browser and a vpn running.

Working brilliantly for me.
Thanks.

I run Tor for these sorts of websites.

The commentary is like the old BT red button matches when they were showing them all.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Covkid40 on October 30, 2021, 04:00:35 PM
I’m sat in the stand and we’ve absolutely butchered 3 chances in the red zone. Just need to be more patient and Bath will fold. They are making a few breaks but their basics are poor. If we keep applying pressure they will capitulate but if we keep rushing things the play becomes broken and that’s the only way they profiting
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: bigad82 on October 30, 2021, 04:03:01 PM
Wise heads are called for 2nd half.
Bath are there for the taking.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Covkid40 on October 30, 2021, 04:05:20 PM
Robson was really struggling when he went off but Porter has started well
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Shugs on October 30, 2021, 04:09:04 PM
Oghre back on.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Heathen on October 30, 2021, 04:10:21 PM
Robson was really struggling when he went off but Porter has started well

He came back from England camp with the groin issue that kept him out last week.

Are players being rushed back too quickly?
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Shugs on October 30, 2021, 04:11:54 PM
JTA yellow
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: JF on October 30, 2021, 04:12:10 PM
I'm quite enjoying Flats' commentary. There are too many commentators who do little other than identify whos got got the ball or what the next restart will be. Flats is giving insights from a playing point of view which adds to the experience for someone like me who never really played the game.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: JonnyD on October 30, 2021, 04:14:01 PM
Another one....?
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on October 30, 2021, 04:15:11 PM
This is not good, Jimmy looks in serious trouble. Might have been knocked out.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Shugs on October 30, 2021, 04:18:29 PM
Williams going to be redded.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on October 30, 2021, 04:19:52 PM
Not only that, but one of the Bath water boys has been red carded.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on October 30, 2021, 04:20:51 PM
Jimmy and waving to crowd.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: DGP Wasp on October 30, 2021, 04:21:00 PM
What happened? I'm stuck in the corner of the wreck behind the big screen.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on October 30, 2021, 04:22:09 PM
Piled in to breakdown, hit Jimmy in the chin with his foreman, knocked him out.

Jimmy is walking though. Cips on as well.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on October 30, 2021, 04:22:12 PM
Bath player impersonated an Exocet and targeted Jimmy's neck. Came from about 5m out, head down and not in control.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on October 30, 2021, 04:23:37 PM
As an aside Germans call a red card an *rse card because the ref keeps the red in his back pocket and yellow in his front pocket so as not to pull the wrong one out.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Shugs on October 30, 2021, 04:25:08 PM
Oghre try. Hislop is still on.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on October 30, 2021, 04:25:20 PM
Good line from Gabby, great try.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: wasps on October 30, 2021, 04:30:27 PM
As an aside Germans call a red card an *rse card because the ref keeps the red in his back pocket and yellow in his front pocket so as not to pull the wrong one out.

Do I wanna know what they call the yellow card?
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on October 30, 2021, 04:33:35 PM
As an aside Germans call a red card an *rse card because the ref keeps the red in his back pocket and yellow in his front pocket so as not to pull the wrong one out.

Do I wanna know what they call the yellow card?
Gelbe Karte

 :)
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on October 30, 2021, 04:43:40 PM
Fifita off, left leg injury
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on October 30, 2021, 04:49:17 PM
Yellow card for Bath, down to 13. We've been here before :(


Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on October 30, 2021, 04:52:13 PM
Willis Try
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on October 30, 2021, 04:52:33 PM
And breathe. Tom Willis goes over under the sticks.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Shugs on October 30, 2021, 04:52:39 PM
Willis over 10-27.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: JonnyD on October 30, 2021, 04:53:26 PM
Bath are truly awful in defence, look so easy to score against.
Porter looking sharp off quick ball

Fifita looked like a knee injury, fairly innocuous but didn’t look good.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Covkid40 on October 30, 2021, 05:10:21 PM
Bath truly are poor. Apart from last week that’s probably the worst I’ve seen us play but still too much for Bath, I’d say we left an awful lot of points out on the pitch lots of visits to the red zone with not a lot to show for them. Good win but at a cost with senior players again getting injured
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: JonnyD on October 30, 2021, 05:11:55 PM
Great result against a team that were definitely there for the taking.

How many costly injuries have we accumulated today though. Robson and Fifita looked like they will be out for a while and Jimmy will have to go through the return to play protocols.

Hopefully no more injuries in the front row and congrats to Nearchou for making his debut!
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: wasps on October 30, 2021, 05:12:49 PM
Bath truly are poor. Apart from last week that’s probably the worst I’ve seen us play but still too much for Bath, I’d say we left an awful lot of points out on the pitch lots of visits to the red zone with not a lot to show for them. Good win but at a cost with senior players again getting injured

We are gonna look poor when an increasing number of players have only met the week before
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Rossm on October 30, 2021, 05:28:43 PM
I don't know if anyone noticed but Bath made a bad error trying to play quickly. Will Porter cleared directly into touch, so the lineout would've been Bath's on the Wasps 22.
But the hosts went quickly from just outside their own 22 and Bayliss got a yellow from our counter.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on October 30, 2021, 05:31:33 PM
I don't know if anyone noticed but Bath made a bad error trying to play quickly. Will Porter cleared directly into touch, so the lineout would've been Bath's on the Wasps 22.
But the hosts went quickly from just outside their own 22 and Bayliss got a yellow from our counter.
I thought that had happened but I didn’t hear Tempo say anything when the ball was in flight.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Shugs on October 30, 2021, 05:50:38 PM
Phew. I’ll always take a win at the Rec. Our defence is much much better this season. If we’d been a bit more clinical it could have been a thrashing.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: andermt on October 30, 2021, 06:57:10 PM
I don't know if anyone noticed but Bath made a bad error trying to play quickly. Will Porter cleared directly into touch, so the lineout would've been Bath's on the Wasps 22.
But the hosts went quickly from just outside their own 22 and Bayliss got a yellow from our counter.
I thought that had happened but I didn’t hear Tempo say anything when the ball was in flight.

I noticed it at the time, it was a stupid phase play just beforehand as he was inside the 22, they then went another phase to take him outside. He did it earlier in the 1st half as well.

I did hear Tempest explaining it to someone a couple of phases later.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: DGP Wasp on October 30, 2021, 07:06:43 PM
Definitely feel a try bonus went begging today. Robson and Fifita both hobbling at the end, but no sign of protective boots or anything, so hopefully nothing too long term. Jimmy up and about chatting happily.
Quins next week is unlikely to be pretty, but after that a well earned 2 week rest for everyone and a bunch of teenagers and loanees in the Prem Cup. Then hopefully a few fit bodies back after that.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: MarleyWasp on October 30, 2021, 07:25:22 PM
Have just watched the red card incident. Not sure what was worse, the "clear out" or the Bath Captain trying to argue against the decision. Did himself no favours and I wouldn't be against further action against him.

One thing I spotted as Wasps were getting the ball out wide when Tempest stopped play was Josh Bayliss going very high at Vaea. Had Vaea not seen him coming and ducked out the way, I'm not sure Tempest would have been able to avoid giving two red cards.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Wombles on October 30, 2021, 07:29:00 PM
Have just watched the red card incident. Not sure what was worse, the "clear out" or the Bath Captain trying to argue against the decision. Did himself no favours and I wouldn't be against further action against him.

One thing I spotted as Wasps were getting the ball out wide when Tempest stopped play was Josh Bayliss going very high at Vaea. Had Vaea not seen him coming and ducked out the way, I'm not sure Tempest would have been able to avoid giving two red cards.

The red card was awful....but if a teams captain can STILL not see what was wrong with it, then the problem is bigger than we would like it to be. Professional rugby players should know the laws inside out, and also know what will be a red card offence. And given what we are trying to do given head injuries for players to be doing this, and a captain not understanding why its wrong is very bad!
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: MarleyWasp on October 30, 2021, 09:37:53 PM
It's gone unnoticed, but Jimmy is now Wasps second highest all time Premiership points scorer. He has scored 904 points and gas moved ahead of Kenny Logan (891) and Mark van Gisbergen (903) in recent weeks. Alex King is top with exactly 1,000 points.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: andermt on October 31, 2021, 08:28:30 AM
Anthony Watson tweeted the following yesterday about the red.

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😂😂😂 here we go again. Where is he supposed to wrap?! Obsurd decision

Someone pointed out that if this is what Baths senior international players think, no wonder they give away so many penalties.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on October 31, 2021, 08:46:41 AM
What he is supposed to do is come in at a slow speed, bind arms, shoulder to shoulder, and push. Not come in like an Exocet, with his arm slamming up from underneath.

I can't help but feel he will got an upper level punishment. The first reason to send a message that coming in like this is not acceptable (there has been a lot of negative press over the months about how bad and unsafe this sort of clearout is), and I suspect outcome will also have a bearing. We lost a very valuable points scoring player and a key decision maker. He was knocked out. Even when he did get back up, he was back down again and had to be stretchered off.

I am glad that Jimmy is up and about, but he really should take more than 6 days out. That was a nasty knock.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on October 31, 2021, 08:51:11 AM
Anthony Watson tweeted the following yesterday about the red.

Quote
😂😂😂 here we go again. Where is he supposed to wrap?! Obsurd decision

Someone pointed out that if this is what Baths senior international players think, no wonder they give away so many penalties.

If that's indicative of a wider paranoia in the Bath camp they've a long way to go before they turn the corner. 
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: WonkyWasp on October 31, 2021, 08:57:34 AM
......  and they can't spell 'Absurd' properly either.   (can't be 'fat finger' unless their finger is  six inches wide of course).
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Rossm on October 31, 2021, 09:03:43 AM
Doesn't Williams have a bit of previous?
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: MarleyWasp on October 31, 2021, 09:13:41 AM
Anthony Watson tweeted the following yesterday about the red.

Quote
😂😂😂 here we go again. Where is he supposed to wrap?! Obsurd decision

Someone pointed out that if this is what Baths senior international players think, no wonder they give away so many penalties.

I think it's absurd that an England international a) cannot spell absurd when presumably using a phone with spellcheck on and b) thinks it's ok to charge into a ruck at speed straight onto the neck/head area, knocking him out cold.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: InBetweenWasp on October 31, 2021, 09:51:46 AM
“Not round his neck, mate” is probably the simplest explanation back to Watson.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Shugs on October 31, 2021, 11:42:32 AM
That’s extremely naive. It’s safe to assume if you’ve knocked someone unconscious you’ve made contact with the wrong area. Watsons comment is brainless. Moreover Williams was going to gain absolutely nothing if he’d cleared Jimmy out legally - which makes his actions brainless as well.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: MarleyWasp on October 31, 2021, 05:18:48 PM
As if to sum up how clueless Bath players seem to be on the laws of the game: Wasps knock on, ref calls a scrum, the Bath 6 takes a tap penalty and starts running to the try line.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Jack9909 on October 31, 2021, 10:13:50 PM
Just watched the highlights and for JTA's yellow it looks like the maul has splintered and there is no other player bound to the ball carrier when JTA pulls it down.

At what point does this stop being collapsing the maul and become just a tackle? I'd assume for it to remain a maul it would require multiple players bound?
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on November 01, 2021, 07:33:45 AM
Just watched the highlights and for JTA's yellow it looks like the maul has splintered and there is no other player bound to the ball carrier when JTA pulls it down.

At what point does this stop being collapsing the maul and become just a tackle? I'd assume for it to remain a maul it would require multiple players bound?

I thought the same. The ball carrier was on his own.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Raggs on November 01, 2021, 07:54:06 AM
The maul can break up and still be a maul, there were still players in front when he dragged it down and I think he at least was attached the whole time which increases the chances the ref will see it as a maul still.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Nigel Med on November 01, 2021, 01:49:02 PM
Can't help wondering if Stuart Hooper is living on borrowed time. Yes they're trying to manage an injury crisis at a similar level to ours but they've been under-performing for years. I've always looked at their squad and thought that with the personnel they've got they should be challenging for top four year after year but they rarely offer any sustained consistency. Hooper is a thoroughly decent guy, I wish him no ill and obviously he's a Bath man through and through but particularly now that they have a new CEO I think the pressure on him to get some decent results is going to be massive.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Shugs on November 01, 2021, 07:18:00 PM
You’re not kidding. I’m amazed he’s lasted as long as he has. Masses of talent but they are far too easy to score against and have been for a long time. He refuses to employ a specialist defence coach. I also think he’s been badly let down by some of his senior players such as Faletau, McNally, Obano and Joseph.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: JonnyD on November 02, 2021, 12:02:38 AM
Can't help wondering if Stuart Hooper is living on borrowed time. Yes they're trying to manage an injury crisis at a similar level to ours but they've been under-performing for years. I've always looked at their squad and thought that with the personnel they've got they should be challenging for top four year after year but they rarely offer any sustained consistency. Hooper is a thoroughly decent guy, I wish him no ill and obviously he's a Bath man through and through but particularly now that they have a new CEO I think the pressure on him to get some decent results is going to be massive.

Not sure if it’s Hooper who’ll be in for the chop or Hatley as head coach. Not sure how much Hooper actually does with the team or whether he selects the team or whether it’s just the dynamic of a DOR that just doesn’t work as a relationship.
That back line has underperformed for years, probably since Steve Meehan was there but now it actually looks ok and now it’s the pack that seems to be lacking some bite
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Brandnewtorugby on November 03, 2021, 08:33:14 PM
You’re not kidding. I’m amazed he’s lasted as long as he has. Masses of talent but they are far too easy to score against and have been for a long time. He refuses to employ a specialist defence coach. I also think he’s been badly let down by some of his senior players such as Faletau, McNally, Obano and Joseph.

I have always thought McNally was one player who stood out (or up). Bath seems to be where a fair number of players with nothing to prove go to play out their career.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: westwaleswasp on November 03, 2021, 11:11:53 PM
Back when we had Wadey, Charles P etc. the Bath board would post something on the lines of 'don't kick to their back three', which they inevitably did.
Back then they had a pack and then some, and decent backs, but they always appeared to be lacking rugby sense  playing into the opposition  hands time after time. Nothing much seems to have changed, they seem to play to the opposition strengths time after time, the only difference being nowadays they don't have the quality and depth to win matches despite their naivety.

I really would like to see a strong Bath, it is good for rugby in general, and good for the South West, and good for the England team.
Title: Re: Match thread Bath v Wasps
Post by: Heathen on November 04, 2021, 07:58:32 AM
Stooke may also have been able to add some value to our strategy for the game.