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General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: Raggs on September 07, 2020, 12:45:32 PM

Title: Good news about Bristol
Post by: Raggs on September 07, 2020, 12:45:32 PM
So looking at their last 2 lineups (including the one just released today), they're going to have a few key players at best on the bench for our game.

Benched or not involved: Charles Piutau, Radradra, Siale Piutau (if available), Sheedy, Sinckler, Vui, Hughes.

Though I think a few of those could probably come on at half time and be fine for minutes.

Still, could be useful for us to get started.
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: Neils on September 07, 2020, 12:51:04 PM
Plus remember that they have a Euro Quarter the next weekend and Lam is targeting that silverware.
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: DGP Wasp on September 07, 2020, 12:55:55 PM
Many of us felt the same about Sale and that didn't go so well.  Also, I suspect Sarries fans would have said something similar last week and we all know how that went! :)
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: Shugs on September 07, 2020, 01:09:20 PM
I'll  be happy if Radradra doesn't play for no other reason than it means I won't have to hear how fantastic he is for 80 minutes.
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: Raggs on September 07, 2020, 01:17:55 PM
Many of us felt the same about Sale and that didn't go so well.  Also, I suspect Sarries fans would have said something similar last week and we all know how that went! :)

Oh I know, but I also think we won't be found with our pants down twice in the same way. Might even get a different ref...
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: Rossm on September 07, 2020, 01:18:29 PM
Radrada v Malakai. I'd pay to see that 😆
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: westwaleswasp on September 07, 2020, 02:13:41 PM
Several matches this year have seen weakened teams not look so week after the final whistle, so I am not counting on anything if they do rest players.....
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on September 07, 2020, 02:46:33 PM
Several matches this year have seen weakened teams not look so week after the final whistle, so I am not counting on anything if they do rest players.....

Hopefully this is the 'new' world in English rugby (more as it has been in Wales and Ireland) where it is a squad. This is certainly the Exeter model. Not reliant on Galacticos, more a squad of interchangeable players, so any matchday 23 doesn't fall apart through the lack of one player (as it often did for us when Cips was out). No more counting your chickens. Even if Sale have a small squad, they have academy players that can step in. We seem to be proving that too. I do wonder if we should keep up this squad rotation even after we go back to one game a week. It would make us very much stronger and motivate the younger players.
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: Neils on September 07, 2020, 03:41:07 PM
Siale up before the beak tonight. Good he really thumped Kitchener who is up for his red.
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: westwaleswasp on September 07, 2020, 03:56:44 PM
Several matches this year have seen weakened teams not look so week after the final whistle, so I am not counting on anything if they do rest players.....

Hopefully this is the 'new' world in English rugby (more as it has been in Wales and Ireland) where it is a squad. This is certainly the Exeter model. Not reliant on Galacticos, more a squad of interchangeable players, so any matchday 23 doesn't fall apart through the lack of one player (as it often did for us when Cips was out). No more counting your chickens. Even if Sale have a small squad, they have academy players that can step in. We seem to be proving that too. I do wonder if we should keep up this squad rotation even after we go back to one game a week. It would make us very much stronger and motivate the younger players.

Plus one. Same idea, could only be done if we don't have egos. Sounds very much like we have a good team spirit who might buy into more rotation.
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: Rossm on September 07, 2020, 04:29:25 PM
Several matches this year have seen weakened teams not look so week after the final whistle, so I am not counting on anything if they do rest players.....

Hopefully this is the 'new' world in English rugby (more as it has been in Wales and Ireland) where it is a squad. This is certainly the Exeter model. Not reliant on Galacticos, more a squad of interchangeable players, so any matchday 23 doesn't fall apart through the lack of one player (as it often did for us when Cips was out). No more counting your chickens. Even if Sale have a small squad, they have academy players that can step in. We seem to be proving that too. I do wonder if we should keep up this squad rotation even after we go back to one game a week. It would make us very much stronger and motivate the younger players.

Plus one. Same idea, could only be done if we don't have egos. Sounds very much like we have a good team spirit who might buy into more rotation.

Sounds great but mustn't get carried away :)
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: DGP Wasp on September 07, 2020, 04:55:14 PM
I think it's where every club would love to be, with squad depth to allow for rotation and keep everyone that bit fitter.  Hard part is making those bold selections and not being afraid to throw the academy lads in when the time is right.  From a Wasps point of view, we unearthed some real gems from the academy back around 2011/12 out of necessity when the squad was down to the bare bones.  Now again it's being forced on us, this time by the heavy schedule.  Definite lessons to be learned as no-one has let us down, quite the opposite in fact and we're now spoilt for choice in a number of positions.   The "reserves" are 2 from 2 since the restart, while the "first team" are 2 from 3! 
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: Steve from Cov on September 07, 2020, 05:21:29 PM
I really believe Radradra  needs some rest right now ....... and Nathan Hughes......and Charles Piatau.....and Stephen Luatua....😂😉
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: HDAWG on September 07, 2020, 05:27:46 PM
Yeah I hope we don't get carried away in next few teams. We have just proven how a well coached and driven team can beat a team containing British and Irish Lions. It makes our rivals arguably more dangerous.
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: MarleyWasp on September 07, 2020, 05:50:21 PM
I really believe Radradra  needs some rest right now ....... and Nathan Hughes......and Charles Piatau.....and Stephen Luatua....😂😉

No I think they need to play the full 80 tomorrow night. Sunday is for rest.
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: Neils on September 07, 2020, 05:58:33 PM
I really believe Radradra  needs some rest right now ....... and Nathan Hughes......and Charles Piatau.....and Stephen Luatua....😂😉

No I think they need to play the full 80 tomorrow night. Sunday is for rest.

As I have said - tomorrow is the game they want to win with a strongish team because many will be rested on Sunday (according to Lam) to prepare for their Euro Quarter the next weekend. It will be interesting to see if he sticks to that view!!
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: Raggs on September 07, 2020, 08:59:33 PM
Siale Piutau receives a 3 match ban, so will not be available for our game, or tomorrows.
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: Chins on September 08, 2020, 07:41:39 AM
Siale up before the beak tonight. Good he really thumped Kitchener who is up for his red.

3 week ban
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: Horusthewasp on September 08, 2020, 08:21:58 PM
Bristol are steamrolling through Saints and it’s not even 30 minutes in. Commentator suggesting that one more try (for the TBP) and Pat will ring the changes and sub off his top guns so they can take part in the game against us at the Ricoh...
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: Raggs on September 08, 2020, 08:28:59 PM
Bristol are steamrolling through Saints and it’s not even 30 minutes in. Commentator suggesting that one more try (for the TBP) and Pat will ring the changes and sub off his top guns so they can take part in the game against us at the Ricoh...

The starters still won't be able to start, it'll be their 3rd game in a row. Very relieved that some of those guys can't start against us!
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: Shugs on September 08, 2020, 08:42:31 PM
What's happened to Saints? They look really lightweight.
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: Raggs on September 08, 2020, 08:55:31 PM
What's happened to Saints? They look really lightweight.

It's a mixed team from them, and Bristol have been on fire in attack. Bristol will severely test our defence.
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: backdoc on September 08, 2020, 09:30:06 PM
If they are all fit.
Thakker looks done with a chest wall injury, Hughes looks to have an upper limb problem.
I think they will rest a few on sunday.

Let us get the maximum points tomorrow then the incentive is very strong to win on sunday.
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: Raggs on September 08, 2020, 09:31:31 PM
If they are all fit.
Thakker looks done with a chest wall injury, Hughes looks to have an upper limb problem.
I think they will rest a few on sunday.

Let us get the maximum points tomorrow then the incentive is very strong to win on sunday.

Hughes couldn't have started against use anyway. Nor can Radradra or Piutau.
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: DGP Wasp on September 08, 2020, 09:35:23 PM
Took until about 60 mins to get that 4th try. Had a clear chance for it on 22 mins when Thackar opted to go himself instead of a simple pass inside to Radranda for a certain try. Saints down to 14 due to front row injuries/uncontested scrums and Bristol now playing like the Baa baas.
Title: Re: Good news about Bristol
Post by: Mellie on September 08, 2020, 11:05:42 PM
Saints were not good at all. Gaping holes in defense most of the match. Hammered Bristol line for 5 minutes at start of 2nd half without scoring. Scrum half not watching what was going on gifted Briz a try. Going down to 14 did not help but they showed no intensity throughout and virtually gave up at the end.

James Grayson has been  bracketed with Marcus Smith and Jacob as one to watch but he is nowhere near their class, particularly in defence.