Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: Vespula Vulgaris on February 15, 2020, 05:02:25 PM
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We play like we've never met, we knock on constantly, if there is a wrong decision we are guaranteed to make it, the ref ignores blatant fouls against us and we play like we simply don't care.
It wasn't this hard to support Wasps when we were staring relegation in the face and bringing ex players out of retirement to sit on the bench so we could actually field a team.
I'm not sure how long it can go on like this.
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I to am worried....
Players leaving and rumoured to be leaving, no replacements for said players and the Dai situation do not leave me optimistic. If the board don't find a way to improve the situation we'll be worse than Leicester.
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We play like we've never met, we knock on constantly, if there is a wrong decision we are guaranteed to make it, the ref ignores blatant fouls against us and we play like we simply don't care.
It wasn't this hard to support Wasps when we were staring relegation in the face and bringing ex players out of retirement to sit on the bench so we could actually field a team.
I'm not sure how long it can go on like this.
On this I agree 100% VV. I think we will be waiting a long time for an upturn in performance unfortunately. We need a bit of ‘gnarly dog’ adding too. We are too soft
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about 18 months
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I to am worried....
Players leaving and rumoured to be leaving, no replacements for said players and the Dai situation do not leave me optimistic. If the board don't find a way to improve the situation we'll be worse than Leicester.
I'd say the board have decided improvements are required...hence the coach situation. Other than Shields i'm not aware of any rumoured players leaving? and that went quiet the day after it surfaced. Searle leaving is fine, we didn't have Umaga when we signed Searle.
Changes are afoot, whilst this is painful, it can only get better..surely
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Hymenoptera,
I was referring to Sops and Tibo.
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Well that was awful today, we are very poorly run team. To let Dai go is definitely the right thing to do, he has made too many shocking decisions.
MLB is a very poor player, why on earth have we given him another contract. Mental we are in a poor place.
We need to sign some decent players or we will be in trouble next season.
I can’t believe we have fallen so low is the last 2 seasons
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We play like we've never met, we knock on constantly, if there is a wrong decision we are guaranteed to make it, the ref ignores blatant fouls against us and we play like we simply don't care.
It wasn't this hard to support Wasps when we were staring relegation in the face and bringing ex players out of retirement to sit on the bench so we could actually field a team.
I'm not sure how long it can go on like this.
Steady on VV. Kibirige should have scored but messed it up and we were one correct Umaga pass away from winning that match.
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I think a collective deep breath required
It was always going to be a hard game - given this week. The conditions were really awful and for periods we played pretty well.
Its a game, that had one pass gone to hand and one ball touched down, we would probably have won and we'd all be thinking it was a great effort....considering the week and the conditions.
If we were "reasonably happy" to allow the team to have time to get over injuries etc before, perhaps it's reasonable to allow the "interim team" some time to get things on track..if they can of course
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Glad I didn't watch.
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I am cracking open a red. I am sure I will feel more optimistic in half an hour.
Meanwhile, I hope everyone got home safely.
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Despair, sadness and a feeling that the light has been turned off by Dai as he left the tunnel !!
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Interesting to see how and when they going to start promoting and selling next season's season tickets with all this going on, it was around this time last year they came out?
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Interesting to see how and when they going to start promoting and selling next season's season tickets with all this going on, it was around this time last year they came out?
Have said that already. I would think because of the EAs snatching relegation from us they will probably try in early March.
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Intrigued as to what folks were expecting today. A storm and a head coach gone. Then we're at Welford Rd which consistently delivers the most home centric officiating you'll ever see. It was never going to be anything but a slug fest coming down to one or two moments. It did serve as a warning regards Umaga. He's not the finished article yet and we need to retain Sopoaga for next year to give Umaga space to develop in a non pressured way.
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I was expecting a performance like this. I was hoping we would do better. Based on what I saw, if Sarries were not going down, we would have been. To expect it is not to excuse it.
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There is a lot to be optimistic about. Good quality youngsters coming through, it is these that the team (and ticket sales) should be built around.
Chance to change our fortunes with a new coaching team. No relegation this year and possible ringfencing next gives us time to rebuild.
The kids need a chance to build experience, the new coaching outfit need a chance to turn things around. This feels like a pivotal moment.
Now the decision has been taken we need to be patient as supporters and accept it may take a step backwards before we can take two steps forwards.
I'm not interested in spending energy lamenting those who don't want to commit to the cause. They can just go, free up some cap for someone who wants to sign, or open the pathway for more of our promising youngsters to come through in a virtually zero pressure situation.
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Just looked I think my first email about season tickets last year was on 23rd February.
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Intrigued as to what folks were expecting today. A storm and a head coach gone. Then we're at Welford Rd which consistently delivers the most home centric officiating you'll ever see. It was never going to be anything but a slug fest coming down to one or two moments. It did serve as a warning regards Umaga. He's not the finished article yet and we need to retain Sopoaga for next year to give Umaga space to develop in a non pressured way.
I agree with all that except Sops. He's not value for money and I'd rather watch Umaga learn. We do need another FH unless we can rely on Gopps and Miller + academy for rotation.
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Hymenoptera,
I was referring to Sops and Tibo.
Well id say whilst they are merely rumours and loose ones at that they are not worth worrying about. Improving what we have is the issue and the board have moved to improve that. First step taken, let's see whats next.
Shugs, have to say i fancied this one with them missing their players. Whilst welford rd is a hard place to win, conditions affected both teams and it was our play that ultimately lost us the game, like inability to effect a maul and total breakdown of lineout. Totally agree on Umaga and mentioned in the game thread, he has a bit to learn but not sure we need exactly what we have
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I said after the Edinburgh home game I would need to see a change in direction if I were to renew my season ticket. Looks like the change is happening, although I'd like to know which direction we're heading in.
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Agree with a lot of what others have said above....
Today was always going to be a tough game for multiple reasons that others have outlined. So a loss is disappointing but not unsurprising.
I am more in despair at the Dai situation than the result. Not that he’s seemingly gone (though I am a Dai fan) but more how it’s been done. At least when Leicester parted ways with Cockers it was clear cut and official. This has been nothing but a mess!!
However.... it’s got me thinking why now, why so abrupt and rushed? Either Dai has walked due to a specific instance, liking missing out on a key signing for budget reasons.... OR.... an individual has become available to replace Dai and the club didn’t want to miss out on this guy like we did Shaun Edwards and Borthwick.
So I’m hoping something really positive is going to come out of this mess of a situation that we’re all despairing over.
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Now, because we have time to find the right person who also has time to plan his own methods and recruitment. Bigger question is why not now.
I dont think its a mess at all. There are legalities regarding his contract to work out i'd guess. Whilst we might like to know immediately, it isn't our given right, it has only been a few days.
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Intrigued as to what folks were expecting today. A storm and a head coach gone. Then we're at Welford Rd which consistently delivers the most home centric officiating you'll ever see. It was never going to be anything but a slug fest coming down to one or two moments. It did serve as a warning regards Umaga. He's not the finished article yet and we need to retain Sopoaga for next year to give Umaga space to develop in a non pressured way.
It's not the loss, it's the manner of the loss.
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Lol said within a couple of days there would be a statement to answer fans questions and I suppose as a director he should know.
As far as a replacement is concerned, if there is to be one, then I suspect it might take a little while due to contracts etc.
However it needs sorting before ST go on sale.
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Now, because we have time to find the right person who also has time to plan his own methods and recruitment. Bigger question is why not now.
I dont think its a mess at all. There are legalities regarding his contract to work out i'd guess. Whilst we might like to know immediately, it isn't our given right, it has only been a few days.
My issue with it is why was this not all sorted out behind closed doors before Dai actually stepped down. I’m struggling to think of another instance of a coach being ‘sacked’ where the club actually didn’t announce it and take days to release a statement. I appreciate legals and contracts need to be sorted... so why was that not the case in the Cockerill or Mallinder instance?
I’m really intrigued as to what will come out in the statement to explain why the club are radio silent.
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Doubt if the statement will say anything other than we have parted ways, thanks to Dai for years of service. A further announcement re coaching structure will be made in due course.
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Intrigued as to what folks were expecting today. A storm and a head coach gone. Then we're at Welford Rd which consistently delivers the most home centric officiating you'll ever see. It was never going to be anything but a slug fest coming down to one or two moments. It did serve as a warning regards Umaga. He's not the finished article yet and we need to retain Sopoaga for next year to give Umaga space to develop in a non pressured way.
It's not the loss, it's the manner of the loss.
I understand and share the frustration. Prior to today we'd started scoring tries again and found some fluency. That was never going to be possible today. I think we have to factor in the DY situation. It had to be unsettling. I'm willing to write this one off to circumstances but we need to get back on the upward curve we were on.
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Hymenoptera,
I was referring to Sops and Tibo.
Well id say whilst they are merely rumours and loose ones at that they are not worth worrying about. Improving what we have is the issue and the board have moved to improve that. First step taken, let's see whats next.
Shugs, have to say i fancied this one with them missing their players. Whilst welford rd is a hard place to win, conditions affected both teams and it was our play that ultimately lost us the game, like inability to effect a maul and total breakdown of lineout. Totally agree on Umaga and mentioned in the game thread, he has a bit to learn but not sure we need exactly what we have
I never fancy winning at Welford Rd. Seen too many ludicrous decisions there. But I agree it was our play that cost us today. We've been missing a clinical edge for most of the season apart from the last few games which makes this one disappointing. But once Dennis arrived and Tigers just went size mode I think the writing was on the wall.
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Now, because we have time to find the right person who also has time to plan his own methods and recruitment. Bigger question is why not now.
I dont think its a mess at all. There are legalities regarding his contract to work out i'd guess. Whilst we might like to know immediately, it isn't our given right, it has only been a few days.
My issue with it is why was this not all sorted out behind closed doors before Dai actually stepped down. I’m struggling to think of another instance of a coach being ‘sacked’ where the club actually didn’t announce it and take days to release a statement. I appreciate legals and contracts need to be sorted... so why was that not the case in the Cockerill or Mallinder instance?
I’m really intrigued as to what will come out in the statement to explain why the club are radio silent.
We dont know that Dai hasn't requested to leave, the point is we don't know. I'm sure the club are't being secretive for no reason and will issue a statement when they can, a bit like when Wade did the offskies.
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Statement next week.
It was a really disappointing result. Given everything that has happened this week, we still managed to blow the game as a result of two individual errors.
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It's been a case of cock-ups on the field now matched by cock-ups off it.
It might be the case that the new broom, whoever it is, whenever they arrive, will be effective and clean things up.
If they don't, we might have to put our faith in someone else doing a Sarries to prevent a relegation fight next season.
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What a generally miserable thread. As Heathen said, two mistakes from a win.
First half was generally good, especially our line-out performance against Leicester throw-ins. Young, especially in the personal situation, and Willis were generally excellent. So was the second row. Umaga showed his potential. Bassett had a good game.
Re Dai, the various comments on TV including from Dallaglio was that he had left. The decision seems to have been taken because we now know that we will not be relegated. In employment terms, there will be no Board announcement until the deal has been signed. That’s standard practice & employers have to keep their mouths shut and put up with the questions from employees - &, in this case, us.
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Agree Welsh Wasp. I think there is more to be positive about than negative. Squad moving in the right direction. Some fluency returning in attack. Training ground etc etc. The DoR scenario needs sorting urgently as it's a mess and DY leaves big shoes to fill.
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There were three game changing moments for me, all could have been avoided; failing to capitalise fully on the yellow card, the Kibirige 'drop' and the forward pass to them from Umaga, all our won making...I would add the punch as a fourth but that was only attributable to Tom Youngs foul play, who will be cited I hope and banned.