Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: Raggs on January 24, 2019, 11:58:04 AM
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Rugbypass suggesting Sale could be making an offer. Also suggests he's only on £270k at the moment, which I really really struggle to believe, since we've managed to beat off Sarries a couple of times in the past.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/launchbury-moves-step-closer-to-sale-switch
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That would be a big blow.
Are we seeing the end of fixed term contracts here? Like Daly, he remains under contract. Like JCW, Launchbury cannot be a Marquee. That means, if he was to move also, a lot of the other Sale players would have to be on a lower salary, and then they too would be unhappy, and so on ...
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Hard to believe that £270K is correct.
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Launch can be marquee, though I very much doubt £270k would be worth using up a marquee slot.
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Also can't believe the £270K figure. If as has been strongly rumoured Nathan was on £300K and turned down a 20% increase then Joe must really be on a considerable amount more (and would suggest so must Daly).
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Launch can be marquee, though I very much doubt £270k would be worth using up a marquee slot.
I didn't think you could use a marquee slot on a player from another premiership club????
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Launch can be marquee, though I very much doubt £270k would be worth using up a marquee slot.
I didn't think you could use a marquee slot on a player from another premiership club????
I mean he can be marquee for us, I now realise Nelly must have been talking about Sale. Sorry, only half thinking!
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There's quite a few things in that article that don't stack up.
Launchers was a key member of the Eng squad and also Wasps club captain so seeing as he signed a contract recently, £270k sounds way off the mark considering he was probably one of the marquee signings. Paying £270 on a marquee doesn't make sense.
If he is one of our marquee players then Sale can't nominate him as theirs, so their £500k offer is a big wage for them.
I also don't buy the fact they are way below the Salary Cap. They have some expensive backs on their books.
Lastly he is in contract so unless he has a Daly option then he can't move anyway.
If he does have a get out clause then the Wasp legal team and management need a shakedown. In my eyes the only get out clause Wasps should be offering is the one in the event of relegation a player can leave.
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Harumph - this is not good reading and I hope just his agent/Sale stirring
All decent points BG
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This constant stream of rumors about players coming or going is becoming frankly tedious.
Why can't the whole thing be kept confidential until a short window, preferably at the end of the season, where any and all changes are announced? If this is driven by agents then they should have to sign up to a code of conduct and keep schtum.
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The common factor here is the press. No-one ever accused a journo ever being legal, decent and honest. It isn't in their nature.
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I really, really hope this isn't true. I agree that rumours are just that until an official announcement but we have seen a number of rumours (Stuart and Hughes et al) leave to the very clubs they were rumoured to be moving to.
This would be a huge blow as it was evident the influence Joe has on the team when he returned for his first game back.
I suppose, having said that, if it was for money (as Sale haven't really been competing for trophies of late) I can hardly blame him. I would do the same!
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Didn't Sale offer Launch big bucks before he re-signed for us last year?
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The common factor here is the press. No-one ever accused a journo ever being legal, decent and honest. It isn't in their nature.
And Agents trying to leverage better deals for their clients - plus of course themselves.
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I though he signed a new contract a the end of 2017 so is just over a year into it. Do we think that Wasps or Joe would agree only a short contract, or that he has a get-out clause?
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Didn't Sale offer Launch big bucks before he re-signed for us last year?
This +1.
This has been done already and it seems any news out there is wasps news these days.
Given they have just signed up 850k on 2 props, JCW and Klitsoff, yes, 850k, with a hooker apparently to come, i'm not sure they'd have the funds for this considering the other players on their books.
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The drop through of the training ground at Higgs may have annoyed a number of players, even with the news of Leam going forwards.
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This looks like a rehash of the Ruck rumour re: Launch and Sale from a couple of years ago. Sometimes it is a bit of agent/journo mischief. The unhappy with Hughes and Le Roux leaving, plus uncertainty around Daly just looks like supposition and truth economics to me, I for one doubt the provenance of this article.
https://www.ruck.co.uk/joe-launchbury-linked-unexpected-move-away-wasps/
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Agents would be using a rumour to increase salary if a player was near to the end of their contract and in negotiating talks .. i.e.6 months before the end of their contract.
In all the rumours we've heard about Daly there's been no mention of what he's potentially on now and what he's potentilly being offered... the launchers rumour is different in nature
One possibility we're not considering is that Launchers didn't sign a new contract last season but simply a 1 yr contract extension of his previous contract, so all the terms would have been the same as the one he signed 4 or 5 yrs ago, so that being the case he may well be on £270k (don't forget he'll have other income steams so he won't exactly be on the breadline)
He may have signed a 1 yr extension to see if Wasps could sort out their training facility and to see how the squad developed.. and Wasps may have had no other option than to allow a 1 yr extension to try and win Joe over to stay and sign a much longer contract at the end of this season.
Just playing devils advocate
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Must be an early 1 April piece of fake news.
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I’d be amazed if Launch did go. But, there were also vague rumours of him having approached Rob Baxter this season about potential long making a move to Chiefs which perhaps means there’s more to this than we’d like to think.
Seperate to this, I thought Launchbury was down as one of our Marquee players so almost certainly on more than £270k - see http://punditarena.com/rugby/adrumm/the-premierships-highest-earners-have-been-revealed/ (http://punditarena.com/rugby/adrumm/the-premierships-highest-earners-have-been-revealed/) - back in 2015 reckons he was on £300k before his most recent deal(s).
Seems pretty accurate based on other anecdotal stories (i.e. Manu, Picamoles and John Afoa all previously being widely cited as the leagues highest earners).
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Smells a bit Spaghetti tree to me.
Launch is probably the mvp at the club or close to it. We would not have splashed 500k on Lima if Joe was on a tad over half that.
No club is that stupid.
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And if you recall Pat Lam was lining up Jonathan Joseph to join Bristol https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/bristol-bears-linked-move-british-1995158, he signed a new deal with Bath today.
I agree with earlier comments ref: Sale and the cap. If you look at their recruitment policy, the 3 backs they have recently acquired Solomona, Yarde and Ashton won't be cheap, nor will the deluge of South Africans they have on their books. Faf de Klerk will also cost a bit, I would have thought.
I think if Launch leaves it will be for one of the current 'big two' and I don't see that happening near term.
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This article:
https://intheloose.com/2019/01/24/joe-launchbury-sale-move-gathering-pace/
Says he has been seen having a tour of their training ground facilities.
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Yes but by who and when exactly? If it looks like bullshit and it smells like bullshit then bullshit it probably is.
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And there is this quote, he is in Portugal isn't he, the England squad went out there yesterday? And they nicked the picture from Joe's Instagram, his salary has also gone down to £250k from £270k. I would suggest this is an embellished syndication of the aged Ruck article.
Joe Baker
'Isn't he in Portugal with the England squad...'
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Joe played for us on Sunday. On Wednesday he flew out. From where? Not Coventry that's for sure. Birmingham, Manchester, London? He probably had Sunday evening, Monday, Tuesday free. How long does it take to tour around a training facility?
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Written by who, Slot, Shaw...ah no, some nebulous online writer..yeah right.
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I call bullshit too
If you have a 40 man squad, that's £175k per player before any home grown or England elite squad credits.
If we assume, as we're often told, that we're bang on the salary cap (and the recent fine for minor breach would confirm that we were), then I just don't see that Launchbury is on £275k per year.
He's club captain, he's a regular England international, he's our "crown jewels" (Dai's words). He will be our highest paid player, or very close to it.
The only recent players who should be in that discussion, without being an overseas marquee, would be Haskell, Daly, Hughes and maybe WlR.
If our highest paid players over the last season or 2 are on ~£300k, and if we're hitting the cap, then that means the entire rest of the squad will be on about £150k each....... Which seems very high.
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Joe played for us on Sunday. On Wednesday he flew out. From where? Not Coventry that's for sure. Birmingham, Manchester, London? He probably had Sunday evening, Monday, Tuesday free. How long does it take to tour around a training facility?
I just don’t see Joe doing something like that or being so foolish. Also I believe he and his wife , who is the blogger Mallory Bourn are southerners, currently residing near Stratford on Avon.
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I am fully committed to the club and going nowhere:
https://www.wasps.co.uk/news/club-statement-joe-launchbury/
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I came here to post that link.
Great news. Was really worried about launch leaving.
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Fan-bloody-tastic!!!!!!
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Wasps however to the best of my knowledge have not done this for Elliot
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Because he is checking out, IMO.
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I am fully committed to the club and going nowhere:
https://www.wasps.co.uk/news/club-statement-joe-launchbury/
Looks like the Tweet that I sent them has done the trick!
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Total crock of a story now goes to bed.
Well done to both club and player.
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I am fully committed to the club and going nowhere:
https://www.wasps.co.uk/news/club-statement-joe-launchbury/
Thank goodness for that. Quite quick by Joe and the Club in reality.
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Total crock of a story now goes to bed.
Well done to both club and player.
Agree, it was basically a rehash of an old piece of fiction. There does seem to be a very anti Wasps contingent of keyboard warriors out there, who just want to irritate us all.
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Great news to start the weekend with. I guess Sharks have become aware of Daly breaking his contract with a clause and wanted a slice of that pie too. Good on Launch for standing by his club and let's give him a rousing reception when he comes back from England duty!!
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And...... Breathe.
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Nobody has commented on part of the following line from Dai in the statement
“We hope Joe goes well in the Six Nations along with the rest of his Wasps teammates and we look forward to them all returning to the Club later in the season.”
Am I reading something into this which has additional meaning?
Anyway great news about Joe.
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I suggested elsewhere that the podcasting and similar community seem almost to be trying to destabilise Wasps.
Regular papers I think a little less guilty, their news has been generally accurate with the exception of the Mail story last year which was a set of true facts cobbled into a steaming pile.
I think it is open season, a lot of midlands based fans resent Wasps' incursion, Sale resent our raiding of them a couple of years ago. Maybe the ill feeling is coming out now. Just seems a bit too anti Wasps, there is a stream if inaccurate stories about us, the same rumours don't abound about other clubs as often. Maybe I am paranoid.
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It is interesting that Fissler even commented that he had heard the rumour and discounted it as rubbish . Whereas Rugby inside line (Saints mouthpiece) even said that Joe was seen at Sale. There does seem a concerted effort to make us wobble BUT we really aren't helping ourselves both as a club and on the other site. The amount of sh1t and bile vented there just feeds the fire and SBT.
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The funniest thing was Rugby Pass then dispelling the rumour they started, perhaps one JournoBot is not integrated with another.
This for me is a huge psychological gain for the club, hopefully it will act as a catalyst for a boost in performance post 6N, assuming EJ the pantomime villain (as he is becoming at The Ricoh) doesn't knacker the England contingent. This is probably a transitional season for us, the incoming signings and Launch making a very clear rebuttal will make for great foundations to kick on from. Onward.
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It'll be interesting to see what is said about Daly in the light of this. It does show things in a refreshingly different light to the majority of the talk there has been about Wasps of late.
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Great response from Launchers. Love it ! I think we all expect Daly to be off, this quick response highlights it for me as the Elliott silence is deafening . Amongst all the negative comments I have heard recently about Daly, it strikes me that it has been a very difficult decision for him to leave and has really played on his mind, resulting in frustration and poor performance for some time. We shouldn’t forget what a great contributor he has been for many years and be thankful for having him. I’m sure most fans feel this way, just my two penneth
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I thought the club did respond to all the Daly rumours by saying that he's under contract for next year.
Since then, there's now this additional speculation about the training ground clause.
That said, I think all the rumours about Daly leaving are true, and I suspect the training ground clause is real too.
However, I bet it's a grey enough clause that both sides can make a strong argument about it being met or not.
If that is the case, it probably explains the radio silence as neither side would be able to say anything until the legal bits are dealt with
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Well done Wasps and Joe for killing this. Rugby Pass talking out of your your a---e!!!!! Who will trust them again?