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General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: Skippy on January 21, 2022, 02:21:15 PM

Title: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: Skippy on January 21, 2022, 02:21:15 PM
Surely this news will see bookies shorten England's odds.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/60083055

Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: Westy68 on January 21, 2022, 02:36:17 PM
Surely this news will see bookies shorten England's odds.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/60083055

At least we can now get a proper 12 playing there and Marcus can just get on with his own game
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: mike909 on January 21, 2022, 03:27:59 PM
Alfie to play 12, surely?
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: Neils on January 21, 2022, 03:35:36 PM
Alfie to play 12, surely?

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Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: WonkyWasp on January 21, 2022, 05:04:14 PM
Fazlett out?  Oh dear.  What a shame.
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: coddy on January 21, 2022, 07:58:22 PM
So who starts at 12 against the Scots? Mark Atkinson? Luke Northmore? who have one cap between them or a more experienced centre who normally operates at 13?
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: Shugs on January 21, 2022, 08:00:39 PM
I’d go Atkinson. Although to be fair I think this really only means Smith plays. I really like Northmore but I see him more at 13.
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: JonnyD on January 22, 2022, 04:08:59 AM
With the squad full of outside backs and Atkinson arguably the only 12 there anyway he’s the only choice (surely) Northmore has played there but much more of a 13 for me with his lines.

This should help Smith too as Atkinson can play the Estherhuizen role, can crash and distribute if needed and then find Smith space for the outside backs.

Atkinson definitely isn’t the answer at 12 but the longer Farrell is out the better
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: WonkyWasp on January 22, 2022, 08:03:35 AM
Hopefully Courtney Lawes  will be Captain.  That is someone I respect.
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: Trevs Big Tackle on January 22, 2022, 08:35:46 AM
Hopefully Courtney Lawes  will be Captain.  That is someone I respect.

Playing in the second row or back row?
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: WonkyWasp on January 22, 2022, 08:43:49 AM
 :) :)   Whatever he wants is OK by me!!  (I was thinking Captain actually)
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: Westy68 on January 22, 2022, 09:13:10 AM
If he is seeing a specialist then the injury is likely to be at least fairly serious, therefore a possibility of at least missing a majority of the 6 nations.
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: mike909 on January 22, 2022, 09:27:00 AM
If he is seeing a specialist then the injury is likely to be at least fairly serious, therefore a possibility of at least missing a majority of the 6 nations.

That was my first thought too. It's a good op to plan for a Farrell- free England. And we really do need to see who can play 12 as England have either played a 10 in OF or a 13. It's probably just me, but I really don't get the "numbers on the shirts don't matter". If people play week in week out at 12 or 13 or 15, it's probably better if they play there in internationals. I do see that there are cross over players in the back three. At club level, moves between 10 and 15 are not uncommon. But last 6Ns Lawrence was sacrificed it seemed....
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: wasps on January 22, 2022, 10:59:29 AM
Quote from: mike909
. It's probably just me, but I really don't get the "numbers on the shirts don't matter". If people play week in week out at 12 or 13 or 15, it's probably better if they play there in internationals. I do see that there are cross over players in the back three. At club level, moves between 10 and 15 are not uncommon. But last 6Ns Lawrence was sacrificed it seemed....


I get the theory that sometimes a player is so naturally talented that they can just play and it doesn't matter where.
However that's surely an exception rather than a rule.


Eddie's been trying this since at least 2003.
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: mike909 on January 22, 2022, 11:13:52 AM
That's where I am too. I mean Danny played 15 in a Euro final...But Jones thinks he has some special knowledge...
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: JonnyD on January 22, 2022, 01:10:02 PM
Slade took his game to the next level with out Farrell around last time. Our backs were brought into the game more and had far more time. His passing game created tries in a way Farrell never could.
If Atkinson doesn’t start at 12 then Slade should as another option at 13 like Marchant probably gives us more than Atkinson offers at 12
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: Mellie on January 22, 2022, 03:42:54 PM
I get the theory that sometimes a player is so naturally talented that they can just play and it doesn't matter where.
I believe that is why England football team under delivered for so long when they shoe horned Lampard and Gerard into the team.

Both exceptionally gifted players but so similar in what they did for their clubs that it compromised the international team. Either had to be one or the other, but not both.
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: Beasties on January 23, 2022, 08:01:41 AM
I was mightily relieved that Odogwu wasn’t named in the squad, but the news of Farrell being out has left me dreaming of a Smith-Slade-Odogwu combination……
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: Skippy on January 23, 2022, 01:26:32 PM
As things stand it feels like Slade is only going to play in three games, as he’ll be unavailable to play in France or Italy.

It’s probably worth thinking about what England should do with selection now if it’s likely that France won’t change their vaccine rules for the World Cup.
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: JonnyD on January 23, 2022, 01:43:58 PM
As things stand it feels like Slade is only going to play in three games, as he’ll be unavailable to play in France or Italy.

It’s probably worth thinking about what England should do with selection now if it’s likely that France won’t change their vaccine rules for the World Cup.

Baxter came out in the week saying Slade was vaccinated and would be available.
Knew that match fee was worth getting jabbed for
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: BrackenandMacken on January 23, 2022, 02:19:56 PM
As things stand it feels like Slade is only going to play in three games, as he’ll be unavailable to play in France or Italy.

It’s probably worth thinking about what England should do with selection now if it’s likely that France won’t change their vaccine rules for the World Cup.

Baxter came out in the week saying Slade was vaccinated and would be available.
Knew that match fee was worth getting jabbed for

So he's happy to quote his Facebook toilet research in the press and on his social media sites but when push comes to shove money wise he folds like a cheap suit. Interesting.
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: Shugs on January 24, 2022, 07:27:01 PM
Ford and Daly called into the squad.
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: Neils on January 24, 2022, 07:34:55 PM
Ford and Daly called into the squad.

Also read that Isiekwe being called too
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: Shugs on January 24, 2022, 07:39:39 PM
Daly won’t play against us.
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: mike909 on January 25, 2022, 08:37:28 AM
Ford and Daly called into the squad.

Also read that Isiekwe being called too

Im', a little shocked that Jones has done the obvious.....
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: Rossm on January 25, 2022, 11:33:00 AM
Ford and Daly called into the squad.

Also read that Isiekwe being called too

Im', a little shocked that Jones has done the obvious.....

Makes me recall the Infinite Monkey Theorem :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: mike909 on January 25, 2022, 01:35:25 PM
Ford and Daly called into the squad.

Also read that Isiekwe being called too

Im', a little shocked that Jones has done the obvious.....

Makes me recall the Infinite Monkey Theorem :) :) :) :)

Quite. I hope Nick gets a game and shows Jones was v wrong on that 2018 SA Tour and if we are going for a 6-2 split, Daly on the bench at least provides proper cover, unlike Furbank.....And if May is out - that surely means Malins to start....again the obvious!
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on January 25, 2022, 03:20:36 PM
I would go with either Malins of OHC whether May is fit or not. From what I've seen and heard he appears to have lost his edge and I don't think hoping he'll get his form back in the crucial 1st game of the 6N is worth the risk. Both those players are in form and worth that risk.
Title: Re: Fazlett out of the 6N opener
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on January 25, 2022, 06:12:30 PM
I see that May is out, knee injury. I wonder if he's been carrying a niggle for a while and that's why he's been off form?