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Title: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Rossm on October 07, 2022, 12:00:32 PM
Lee Blackett has named his side to take on Northampton Saints at Coventry Building Society Arena in Round 5 of the Gallagher Premiership on Sunday 9 October, kick off 3pm.

New signing, Vincent Koch starts at tighthead prop as he makes his first appearance in Black and Gold since linking up with the squad following his time with the Springboks this summer.

Joining him in the front row are Gabriel Oghre and Robin Hislop.

Captain Joe Launchbury lines up alongside Kiran McDonald in the second row, with Nizaam Carr, Jack Willis and Tom Willis completing the pack.

Dan Robson returns to the starting line-up at 9, joined by Charlie Atkinson at 10, with Ryan Mills and Burger Odendaal forming the centre partnership.

On the wings, Josh Bassett starts at 11 and Paolo Odogwu makes his first Gallagher Premiership start this season, in at 14.

Following his impressive display against Bath Rugby in Round 3, Jacob Umaga starts at full back.

In the replacements, senior academy player Immanuel Feyi-Waboso makes the Gallagher Premiership matchday 23 for the first time, having impressed in the opening pool stages of the Premiership Cup.

15. Jacob Umaga, 14. Paolo Odogwu, 13. Burger Odendaal, 12. Ryan Mills, 11. Josh Bassett, 10. Charlie Atkinson, 9. Dan Robson; 1. Robin Hislop, 2. Gabriel Oghre, 3. Vincent Koch, 4. Joe Launchbury (c), 5. Kiran McDonald, 6. Nizaam Carr, 7. Jack Willis, 8. Tom Willis

Replacements: 16. Dan Frost, 17. Rodrigo Martinez, 18. John Ryan, 19. Tim Cardall, 20. Ben Morris, 21. Will Porter, 22. Will Haydon-Wood, 23. Immanuel Feyi-Waboso

Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: westwaleswasp on October 07, 2022, 12:04:52 PM
Tasty. Not messing about there, I think that is the best available, though you can argue over 1 where minutes played abd recovery come into it.
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Neils on October 07, 2022, 12:06:21 PM
Interesting team choices. Will be worth travelling for.
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Peej on October 07, 2022, 12:07:30 PM
Having Mills at 12 and Burger at 13 will change the style we play a bit. Not sure I get that after 3 rounds.

Also don't really understand having three 10s in the 23, I'd rather a back covering centre or fullback would have been picked. I suppose Paolo could shift in one if necessary.

Bad news that West is injured again.
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Shugs on October 07, 2022, 12:08:59 PM
I’m assuming West and Spink are injured. Right call to start Koch I think. Also think Odogwu gives us some X factor on the wing. Harsh on Alo but he’ll get plenty of game time.
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Rossm on October 07, 2022, 12:11:03 PM
Saints
15 George Furbank
14 Tommy Freeman
13 Matt Proctor
12 Fraser Dingwall
11 Ollie Sleightholme
10 Dan Biggar
9 Alex Mitchell

1 Alex Waller
2 Sam Matavesi
3 Paul Hill
4 Lukhan Salakaia-Loto
5 Alex Moon
6 Alex Coles
7 Lewis Ludlam (c)
8 Sam Graham

Replacements:
16 Robbie Smith
17 Ethan Waller
18 Alfie Petch
19 David Ribbans
20 Juarno Augustus
21 Tom James
22 Rory Hutchinson
23 Courtnall Skosan

Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Peej on October 07, 2022, 12:15:25 PM
That's a good Saints team. With quality to bring off the bench too, particularly in the forwards.
Title: RA e: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: mike909 on October 07, 2022, 12:18:13 PM
A no pee around pack and some x-factor, assuming everyone is up to pace. If Saints have any area where you can press them, then a v solid set piece will be a decent starting point.  Nervous on this one. We need a number of things to click and we need team management from Dan. The pack is more than decent, but I'm hoping with Mills and Dan, that we can put our foot on the ball a bit and not try to out run a team that's no mug..
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: JonnyD on October 07, 2022, 12:18:49 PM
Assume Kibirige is injured too as he is not included at all.
Think Ododgwu and IF-W don’t really weaken us defensively but both improve us in attack.

Shame West is out but the centre partnership could be good but will be interesting to see if Mills and Umaga get in each others way a bit with both wanting the ball if Charlie is tied up.

Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on October 07, 2022, 12:22:08 PM
I haven’t had chance to watch any games other than ours so far this season. How do the forward specialists expect Oghre and Frost to fare against Matevesi?

I think we can expect Bigger to be targeting Jacob with high balls, I still rate Bigger as one of the best kick chasers in the league.  Hopefully Lee’s come up with a counter measure, Jacob is brave but his technique can let him down.
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Rugbyintheblood on October 07, 2022, 12:27:20 PM
Like the look of the 🐝 team and looking forward to seeing them in action at the CBSA.

When you’ve got a World Class player, obviously he’s going to play - so it will be fantastic to witness Koch’s debut.

I’m sorry Alfie is injured and wish him a speedy recovery, but this IMHO is still a top back row selection.

Centre pick is full of experience and it’’s good to see them start together.

Also looking forward to seeing the super quick Immanuel Feyi-Waboso, come off the bench.

Should be a very good match as Saints will be tough opposition. 
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Shugs on October 07, 2022, 12:28:55 PM
Assume Kibirige is injured too as he is not included at all.
Think Ododgwu and IF-W
don’t really weaken us defensively but both improve us in attack.

Shame West is out but the centre partnership could be good but will be interesting to see if Mills and Umaga get in each others way a bit with both wanting the ball if Charlie is tied up.
I think it’s entirely possible Kibirige is out solely due to form. He needs time out of the spotlight to somehow get his confidence back.
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: mike909 on October 07, 2022, 12:35:05 PM
Assume Kibirige is injured too as he is not included at all.
Think Ododgwu and IF-W
don’t really weaken us defensively but both improve us in attack.

Shame West is out but the centre partnership could be good but will be interesting to see if Mills and Umaga get in each others way a bit with both wanting the ball if Charlie is tied up.
I think it’s entirely possible Kibirige is out solely due to form. He needs time out of the spotlight to somehow get his confidence back.
I was hoping he might get a loan spell with a Championship side as it's not like he hasn't got the tools. 
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on October 07, 2022, 12:39:24 PM
I was hoping he might get a loan spell with a Championship side as it's not like he hasn't got the tools.

Not a bad idea.
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Steve from Cov on October 07, 2022, 01:10:05 PM
Hoping as many as possible can make Sunday’s game to watch two strong teams.

It’s a pity Tom West isn’t available but our forwards look very strong.

Can’t wait.
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Rossm on October 07, 2022, 01:20:10 PM
Interesting team choices. Will be worth travelling for.

Rail strike?
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Neils on October 07, 2022, 01:26:44 PM
Interesting team choices. Will be worth travelling for.

Rail strike?

Strike on Saturday but Match on Sunday
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Westy68 on October 07, 2022, 01:31:27 PM
That is a real shame about West being injured, anyone know what?

Is Spink injured or is it tactical.

Going to be a tough game
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Neils on October 07, 2022, 02:40:15 PM
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/rugby/wasps-rugby-v-northampton-saints-25202129
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Heathen on October 07, 2022, 04:09:58 PM
I see that Biggar has announced that he leaving at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Peej on October 07, 2022, 04:16:56 PM
Was a bit of an open secret. Fin Smith is coming from Worcester to replace him. Perhaps sooner than expected!
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Andywasp50 on October 07, 2022, 06:08:44 PM
Solid team for us and it'll be interesting how the centres go. Saints will be out to make up for their own handling and mistakes fiasco at Quins last week so it'll be a real test.

Unfortunately I think our glaring weakness is Jacob under the high ball, so I'd expect Saints to fill their boots there. I'd be inclined to play Charlie at 15 instead because he's immaculate under the high ball and it would put the spanner in any planning they've done to exploit that area.
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: DGP Wasp on October 07, 2022, 08:58:43 PM
I think we may see Atkinson and Umaga's respective positions pretty fluid. I'd rather see Atkinson at FB when we're defending, and at 10 in attack, with Umaga acting as a 2nd (3rd with Mills at 12 as well) distributor. If they can manage that positionally between them, then it has the potential to be very interesting. Their relative assurance under the high ball could hardly be more different.
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Heathen on October 07, 2022, 10:42:57 PM
Very pleased to see Immanuel in the 23. Great opportunity to showcase his talent if he gets the chance.
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on October 07, 2022, 11:06:14 PM
Very pleased to see Immanuel in the 23. Great opportunity to showcase his talent if he gets the chance.

+1
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: wasps on October 09, 2022, 01:31:05 PM
Koch and Tom Willis out
Not good
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: wasps on October 09, 2022, 01:34:01 PM
The cynic in me feels that Koch already has an offer lined up if we disappear and that this may be a tactical illness.

Tom Willis is confirmed as appendicitis, incredibly coincidental timing to be diagnosed on matchday morning, but it's gonna happen sometimes
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Chunky24 on October 09, 2022, 01:36:49 PM
Wouldn't be Wasps matchday without a late change or two, part of the ride!
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: wasps on October 09, 2022, 01:43:14 PM
After some thought, I've decided it's more likely that Koch has come down with covid given the traveling he'd have been doing recently.




It's very disappointing, but I'm confident in the scrummaging ability of both Ryan and Alo
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Heathen on October 09, 2022, 06:03:56 PM
Well losing those two before the game did not help the cause.
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: WonkyWasp on October 10, 2022, 08:00:45 AM
As I have asked elsewhere  Does Vincent Koch really exist?  Has anyone ever seen him??   Can we claim back his wages????
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: WonkyWasp on October 10, 2022, 08:29:52 AM
And did anyone else hear the ''Announcer'' try to lead a chant?  Just once.  And did he really really  say ''Ole Ole Ole'' instead of ''Allez Allez Allez''?  It sounded very like it.
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Neils on October 10, 2022, 08:34:54 AM
You are lucky you can hear the announcer - just a muffled noise with us. Apart from the music so it must be him. At least we won't be hearing him again. Small bonuses.
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: BarossaD on October 10, 2022, 08:42:13 AM
And did anyone else hear the ''Announcer'' try to lead a chant?  Just once.  And did he really really  say ''Ole Ole Ole'' instead of ''Allez Allez Allez''?  It sounded very like it.

Yeah, it was a half-arsed effort - I felt embarrassed for him. someone in the east stand did a lot better immediately afterwards
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Sliminator on October 10, 2022, 08:45:32 AM
Sounded like Allez to me, but he didn't follow it up so it went a bit flat.

Heard an Oggie, Oggie, Oggie at one stage, but you can forgive them for making the effort.
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: WonkyWasp on October 10, 2022, 09:05:46 AM
Yes, someone made a brilliant job  of leading the Allezs (hope he had a megaphone or was it Brian  Blessed?)  Neils. I  don't think that we sit too far from you?  We're block B. and yes  -  the ''Announcer''  (so called)  was undecipherable.  Couldn't work out what he was saying at all.  Probably just as well.
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: NorthYorksWasp on October 10, 2022, 10:09:25 AM
Yes, someone made a brilliant job  of leading the Allezs (hope he had a megaphone or was it Brian  Blessed?)  Neils. I  don't think that we sit too far from you?  We're block B. and yes  -  the ''Announcer''  (so called)  was undecipherable.  Couldn't work out what he was saying at all.  Probably just as well.
He sits in the lower half of block 20 and, no, he doesn’t use a megaphone, just looks red in the face when he’s finished shouting himself hoarse. He’s a regular for getting the chant going.
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: WonkyWasp on October 10, 2022, 11:21:56 AM
He is brilliant and much appreciated.  I hope he approved of the response.
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Heathen on October 10, 2022, 01:01:09 PM
John Gadsden?
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Neils on October 10, 2022, 01:03:14 PM
John Gadsden?

I wondered that but was told he had been ill.
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: hookender on October 10, 2022, 01:39:05 PM
And did anyone else hear the ''Announcer'' try to lead a chant?  Just once.  And did he really really  say ''Ole Ole Ole'' instead of ''Allez Allez Allez''?  It sounded very like it.
Thought it was more an ‘allay allay allay’ but it hasn’t helped sooth my fears for the club
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Neils on October 10, 2022, 02:05:40 PM
As I have asked elsewhere  Does Vincent Koch really exist?  Has anyone ever seen him??   Can we claim back his wages????

In France looking for an employer





or maybe Covid.
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Heathen on October 10, 2022, 02:15:44 PM
And did anyone else hear the ''Announcer'' try to lead a chant?  Just once.  And did he really really  say ''Ole Ole Ole'' instead of ''Allez Allez Allez''?  It sounded very like it.
Thought it was more an ‘allay allay allay’ but it hasn’t helped sooth my fears for the club

It is Allez, Allez, Allez - French for Go, Go, Go. It is pronouced Allay, Allay, Allay in English.

I believe that it's origins were from some of the early Wasps forays into France.
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: Neils on October 10, 2022, 02:39:04 PM
And did anyone else hear the ''Announcer'' try to lead a chant?  Just once.  And did he really really  say ''Ole Ole Ole'' instead of ''Allez Allez Allez''?  It sounded very like it.
Thought it was more an ‘allay allay allay’ but it hasn’t helped sooth my fears for the club

It is Allez, Allez, Allez - French for Go, Go, Go. It is pronouced Allay, Allay, Allay in English.

I believe that it's origins were from some of the early Wasps forays into France.

Started by the aforementioned John G
Title: Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
Post by: hookender on October 10, 2022, 02:56:31 PM
And did anyone else hear the ''Announcer'' try to lead a chant?  Just once.  And did he really really  say ''Ole Ole Ole'' instead of ''Allez Allez Allez''?  It sounded very like it.
Thought it was more an ‘allay allay allay’ but it hasn’t helped sooth my fears for the club

It is Allez, Allez, Allez - French for Go, Go, Go. It is pronouced Allay, Allay, Allay in English.

I believe that it's origins were from some of the early Wasps forays into France.

I meant that the announced it as An English allay ( a’lay ) whereas we normally go for ‘alley’

And yes as Neil’s said - J G.