Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: BG on July 29, 2020, 09:55:21 AM
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2020/07/28/vladimir-putin-backs-surprise-russia-bid-host-2027-rugby-world/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2020/07/28/vladimir-putin-backs-surprise-russia-bid-host-2027-rugby-world/)
They hosted a good football WC. If its deemed they don't have enough suitable stadia they seem happy to build some new ones. A good location for the major TV audience.. and more importantly they know how to influence an international sporting committee (brown envelopes) to make that committee put aside non-rugby related issues.
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I am not sure we want to support a state that is effectively at war with us.
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Careful, some might view that as politics backdoc!
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I am not sure we want to support a state that is effectively at war with us.
I agree. Not to mention that a country that has been found guilty of systematic, state-sponsored doping should be barred from bidding for any global sporting event until they can demonstrate that they are clean. However, BG's last point is a very valid one and seems to override any misgivings many of us may have.
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I would like to think Beaumont and his World Rugby colleagues are made of sterner stuff than the corrupt Sepp Blatter and his bunch of fellow shysters.
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People may have forgotten the 1980 Olympics in Moscow not long after Soviet Russia had invaded Afghanistan. The US led the boycott, most Western Europe countries still took part - along with Thatcher's Government who were probably of the view that politics should not interfere with sports. UK probably won more medals than might have been expected.
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People may have forgotten the 1980 Olympics in Moscow not long after Soviet Russia had invaded Afghanistan. The US led the boycott, most Western Europe countries still took part - along with Thatcher's Government who were probably of the view that politics should not interfere with sports. UK probably won more medals than might have been expected.
I'm guessing Alan Wells was quite happy about the boycott.
Back to the 2027 WC.. if things don't improve in Oz rugby soon I can see WR plumping for the Russian bid.
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I would have expected him to be disappointed not to be able to compete against the USA at the games. If I recall corectly He did go to USA very soon after them and beat their sprinters on their home tracks.
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I would have expected him to be disappointed not to be able to compete against the USA at the games. If I recall corectly He did go to USA very soon after them and beat their sprinters on their home tracks.
He may have done but I think his winning time was one of the slowest to win an Olympic 100m final going back to the 60's.. perhaps it was one of the "cleanest" though?
Didn't his wife go on to do sprint training with Wasps at some point?
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I would have expected him to be disappointed not to be able to compete against the USA at the games. If I recall corectly He did go to USA very soon after them and beat their sprinters on their home tracks.
He may have done but I think his winning time was one of the slowest to win an Olympic 100m final going back to the 60's.. perhaps it was one of the "cleanest" though?
Didn't his wife go on to do sprint training with Wasps at some point?
You can only beat those put up against you - and he did.
Margot was indeed a sprint trainer and very close to fiver.
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The Americas Rugby Network website have been leaked some plans of what the proposed Russian bid covers, including a full draft schedule.
Russia RWC 2027 – Host Model and Expansion to 24 teams
Americas Rugby News August 22, 2020 Australia, Others, Russia 0 Comments 244 Views
The RWC 2027 host will be named in May 2022. In that month the World Rugby Council will vote on the tournament hosts for both men’s Rugby World Cups in 2027 and 2031. In addition, the governing body will also confirm the tournament hosts for the Women’s Rugby World Cups 2025 and 2029.
Prior to the recent confirmation there were two confirmed bidders for RWC 2027: Australia and Russia. They are extremely different prospective RWC hosts. On the one hand is Australia, the two time RWC winners, RWC 2003 hosts and 1987 co-hosts. On the other hand, Russia has never hosted a RWC match and is winless in two RWC tournaments.
The two options may have opposition, although there are presently no indications of additional interested parties. RWC 2023 will be played in France, a reality which all but rules out RWC 2027 from being in another Six Nations union or unions. Furthermore, neither Argentina nor South Africa will bid for RWC 2027.
The likelihood of a new bidder or an attempt from RWC 2019 hosts Japan or RWC 2011 hosts New Zealand are all but minimal. In other words, RWC 2027 is lining-up as a two horse race between Australia and Russia.
In the case of Russia, the bid may be not only a new host country, it may also be an expansion to 24 teams. Americas Rugby News received a non-official RWC 2027 hosting model.
It lays out a 24 team RWC. This would be an expansion from 20 teams, the number used throughout the professional era from RWC 1999-2023. The increase by four competitors sees a structure of six pools of four. Sixteen of them advance to the knock-out stages which would begin with an historic round-of-16.
The expansion noted would not require additional time than the existing format. It would, however see an increase from a total of 48 to 52 matches.
The Russia RWC 2027 model also includes match venues. They are a total of 14 venues across 13 Russian cities. All told the average capacity would be 47,289 per match. By way of comparison the average attendance for Australia 2003 was 38,282 while Japan 2019 averaged 37,745 per match.
The proposal also includes a comprehensive sample draw. In it Russia are pooled with Brazil, Scotland and Wales. The match schedule lists Russia vs Scotland as the tournament opener with the match taking place in Krasnoyarsk, Siberia. The proposal lists all 52 matches and allocates the RWC 2027 final to Moscow.
The following Russia RWC 2027 hosting model was sent to ARN.
The model is attached.
All stadiums apart from Krasnodar and Krasnoyarsk hosted matches in the 2018 FIFA World Cup. The proposed Krasnoyarsk Stadium would need to be built. Krasnoyarsk is the stronghold of Russian Rugby and home to Enisei-STM and Krasny Yar, who have both played in the Challenge Cup. Krasnodar has hosted a lot of Russian internationals as obviously hosting matches in February in Krasnoyarsk isn't exactly feasible.
The other interesting thing is the proposal to increase the tournament to 24 teams, something I know Rugby Europe have been pushing for for a while. I'd be more in favour of a four pool of six structure, as whilst you'd have more mismatches, you'd be able to spread out games better to limit uneven gaps between matches. You could also then have a Plate and a Bowl tournament for sides finishing third/fourth and fifth/sixth. It would need more organising as there would be 68-84 matches but the extra revenue will offset that and could be ticket prices are lower. You could also have more matches at club grounds.
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I would like to think Beaumont and his World Rugby colleagues are made of sterner stuff than the corrupt Sepp Blatter and his bunch of fellow shysters.
Well, I doubt it. WR have zero credibilty IMHO. They were happy to turn a blind eye to a murderer on their committee.
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Without being too olitical, Russia WC in soccer had a number of human rights protests regarding the states' lack of inclusiveness. I can't see WR embracing that in the current climate, not withstanding the Salisbury incident et al. which further reduces the chances.
Olympics 80 was a very different era, social media campaigns are far more capable of getting boycotts etc.
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Without being too olitical, Russia WC in soccer had a number of human rights protests regarding the states' lack of inclusiveness. I can't see WR embracing that in the current climate, not withstanding the Salisbury incident et al. which further reduces the chances.
Olympics 80 was a very different era, social media campaigns are far more capable of getting boycotts etc.
I see your human rights violations and prolific poisoning of Putin opponents and sadly raise you caviar, vodka and lots and lots of money...
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No doubt the RFU committee will visit to check on the human rights situation. Oh and the caviar and vodka.
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No doubt the RFU committee will visit to check on the human rights situation. Oh and the caviar and vodka.
They are another not fit for purpose organisation.
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Further details leaked by the Americas Rugby Network editor include the claim that visas to enter Russia will not required if you have a match ticket. There will also be free train tickets for match ticket holders between cities.
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I see your human rights violations and prolific poisoning of Putin opponents and sadly raise you caviar, vodka and lots and lots of money...
And 'special' parties with interesting 'themes'. No doubt with incriminating photo's and videos afterwards.
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No doubt the RFU committee will visit to check on the human rights situation. Oh and the caviar and vodka.
They are another not fit for purpose organisation.
Succinctly put, and never a truer word said.
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Morally we should be avoiding Russia, and treating them like a pariah.
If we want to grow the game in an ethical way, I think we should be looking to host it in the US or Argentina.
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+1 for Argentina. Would be a brilliant place to your as a Fan
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If you want to grow rugby the USA is a no brainer. Ample good grounds professional tv coverage and good training bases (virtually every university has fill facilities).
WR needs to get away from Tier 1 and there are few with all round facilities.
Easy and was cheap to get to!
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Argentina were planning to bid for 2027 but withdrew in exchange for Australia backing Pichot for World Rugby Chair. USA may bid for 2031, but having recently filed for bankruptcy, so I am not holding out much hope.
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Morally we should be avoiding Russia, and treating them like a pariah.
If we want to grow the game in an ethical way, I think we should be looking to host it in the US or Argentina.
Sadly morals and ethics don't come into it.
If it did, would China have hosted the Olympics.
I don't think we should tarnish a whole nation by the actions of the elite.
The primary thought to consider is whether a country can offer the infrastructure to host incoming fans and move them around the country from location to location. I think that rules out Argentina
Russia proved they could do that in the football WC. Oz can do that as well but there are doubts about the state of rugby union in Oz and the willingness of the elite to invest to make that happen.
I doubt Russia has a vote on the World Rugby council.. but they know how to make an offer that can't be refused.
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but they know how to make an offer that can't be refused.
Cup of rosie, guvnor?