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Title: Semi-Finals
Post by: baldpaul101 on June 10, 2022, 03:03:05 PM
Who to cheers for?

I couldn't possibly support sarries so, although I feel slightly dirty doing so, it will have to be Quins.

Definitely Saints over Tigers.

A Quinns/Saints final should be much more entertaining than a Sarries/Tigers kick fest!
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Rossm on June 10, 2022, 04:03:23 PM
I quite agree with your choices bp. Saints Quins final for me also.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: mike909 on June 10, 2022, 04:29:14 PM
Me too. I used to live near to Quins and always enjoyed a pint around by the river in the days when I didn't need to prove my credit status before ordering.....and two of my best mates from last job were Saints STHs and it would be great to see enterprise rewarded.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Neils on June 10, 2022, 04:35:13 PM
+1
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Rossm on June 10, 2022, 05:05:37 PM
I should have added that I would like Saints to win that final. Can't have Quins taking two on the trot ;)
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Shugs on June 10, 2022, 05:21:54 PM
As above. I’d like to see Saints v Quins with Saints winning.
I think we’ll see Sarries v Tigers in the salary cap final with Sarries winning.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Chunky24 on June 10, 2022, 05:24:20 PM
I'm going for Tigers for the Youngs family.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: hookender on June 10, 2022, 06:36:22 PM
Seem to be following general consensus of heart saying Quins v Saints but head going Sarries v Tigers.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: JonnyD on June 11, 2022, 05:30:58 AM
I just hope that attacking and exciting rugby is the winner today
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: JF on June 11, 2022, 07:36:41 AM
ABS - anyone but Sarries.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on June 11, 2022, 08:27:57 AM
ABS - anyone but Sarries.
+1
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Rossm on June 11, 2022, 09:21:02 AM
ABS - anyone but Sarries.

Oh yes please.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Neils on June 11, 2022, 09:49:55 AM
+1
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Neils on June 11, 2022, 09:51:33 AM
We saw the future last night with the Bulls beating Leinster in Dublin last night. Thus Leinster fail to get any silverware this season. The SA takeover is advancing well.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Westy68 on June 11, 2022, 11:03:31 AM
I can't have Sarries winning, it just can't happen. Also can't stand Tigers, so much better when they were bottom. I like Quins has its good attractive rugby. Saints playing good attractive attacking rugby but just can't see them beating Tigers.

I would like to see a Quins v Saints final as it would be a good high scoring game, unfortunately it's likely to be Sarries v Tigers with Sarries winning it all and in my opinion still cheating
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Heathen on June 11, 2022, 11:37:38 AM
Saints v Quins PLEASE!!!
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: backdoc on June 11, 2022, 01:58:43 PM
Good start from Quins.
Smith skins Farrell after a good scrum, and the Sarries 9 shows his poor tackling again [his defence was beaten twice by Toulon recently]. McCall has been telling us what aprivilege it is for Saracens to have such a great player so we know he is not up to scratch.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: JonnyD on June 11, 2022, 03:40:11 PM
Whilst I couldn’t give the game my full attention as on a family catch up FaceTime but it seemed a good game.

Lot of niggle and I’m sure none of Sarries potential England players this summer will pick up citings for all the high shots. Very surprised Daly didn’t get more but have not heard the referee discussion on it yet.

Probably not good to say but I actually wanted Symonds to retire with a bang and actually get into a proper fight.

Want Saints to beat Tigers now but Leicester potentially might be able to outmuscle Sarries more in the final
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Shugs on June 11, 2022, 03:41:17 PM
Sarries probably the better side although they flirted with a couple of red cards that I’ve seen given. But what on earth is their screaming, yahooing and hollering about. It really is intensely annoying and makes them look like arses.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: backdoc on June 11, 2022, 03:46:42 PM
Shugs, at an interval today I saw Michael Holding on the cricket channel explaining why it was right for the WI bowler to be banned for over celebrating after getting Root's wicket.

I think that would be an appropriate punishment because it is very confrontational and it nearly led to a full on scrap today.

Conduct unbecoming.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: hookender on June 11, 2022, 03:53:45 PM
Shugs, at an interval today I saw Michael Holding on the cricket channel explaining why it was right for the WI bowler to be banned for over celebrating after getting Root's wicket.

I think that would be an appropriate punishment because it is very confrontational and it nearly led to a full on scrap today.

Conduct unbecoming.

Treat it similar to backchat to ref - reverse decision and march back 10 yards. Once would surely be enough.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Shugs on June 11, 2022, 04:21:09 PM
Agreed. Clearly leads to confrontation and needs stamping out. The likes of Itoje and Earl are going to do themselves a mischief the way they go at it.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Rossm on June 11, 2022, 04:44:14 PM
Jacob must be wondering how he got two reds this season after those decisions.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: JonnyD on June 11, 2022, 05:31:18 PM
Jacob must be wondering how he got two reds this season after those decisions.

Agree with this, a few in the Blues Brumbies game too which would have been reds earlier in the season.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Shugs on June 11, 2022, 05:41:44 PM
Tigers just got away with a clear red right on half time too. Umaga as you say will be spitting chips. Also most of those today were a good deal worse than Shields v Munster.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: hookender on June 11, 2022, 05:50:16 PM
Slightly off topic , but still a semi final , Toulouse v La Rochelle on freesport tonight at 8:05
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: JF on June 11, 2022, 06:01:19 PM
Did Ford ground the ball for the try?
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Rossm on June 11, 2022, 06:08:41 PM
Did Ford ground the ball for the try?

Maybe it was more obvious on the field but I thought the same as you.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Shugs on June 11, 2022, 06:20:15 PM
Saints yellow for absolutely nothing. A lot of the decisions today have been “Welford Rd” decisions.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Chunky24 on June 11, 2022, 06:36:27 PM
Maybe controversial but I've enjoyed two cracking games of semi final rugby today.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Shugs on June 11, 2022, 06:51:13 PM
Agreed. Two really absorbing games. I think Saracens will take the final fairly comfortably.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Pompeyman on June 11, 2022, 07:09:44 PM
sadly not the final I wanted but 2 good, exciting games ( Saints will kick themselves, they lost that rather than Tiggers winning) . On a sour note, just cannot stand Sarries and the way they celebrate in the oppo's faces. I know its old fashioned but it's just goading, irritating and designed to wind up the opposition. I don't care how good they are ( and they were good) I just can't stand them... leaving the whole cheating bit aside !
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Chunky24 on June 11, 2022, 07:25:36 PM
The whooping and hollering is the modern day version of the physical skullduggery that players used to use to wind up and put off opponents in times pre micced up ARs / TMOs / multiple camera angles. However I agree there is a big difference between celebrating with your team mates and getting in the face of opponents to do it, we have seen patronising pats on heads penalised so why not in face celebrations
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Rossm on June 11, 2022, 08:42:06 PM
The whooping and hollering is the modern day version of the physical skullduggery that players used to use to wind up and put off opponents in times pre micced up ARs / TMOs / multiple camera angles. However I agree there is a big difference between celebrating with your team mates and getting in the face of opponents to do it, we have seen patronising pats on heads penalised so why not in face celebrations

Unsportsmanlike conduct?
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Westy68 on June 11, 2022, 09:49:38 PM
God I can’t stand Sarries, a club very easy to dislike with a passion, real shame they will win next Saturday. 20+ points next week
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: backdoc on June 11, 2022, 10:13:56 PM
Unless Tigers get under their skin. That is their only chance. Wind them up.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: DGP Wasp on June 11, 2022, 10:17:44 PM
Three dangerous tackles by the same team in a 15 minute spell, amongst a raft of others that were borderline at best. Yet not a single red card. As mentioned above, what the hell did Umaga and Shields make if that?
When one team is playing dangerously, consistently, then surely the club should face some sort of reprimand as it starts to look like an engrained way of playing rather than isolated, unfortunate instances of poor judgement or execution.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: hopwood on June 11, 2022, 11:59:58 PM
The whooping and hollering is the modern day version of the physical skullduggery that players used to use to wind up and put off opponents in times pre micced up ARs / TMOs / multiple camera angles. However I agree there is a big difference between celebrating with your team mates and getting in the face of opponents to do it, we have seen patronising pats on heads penalised so why not in face celebrations

I was at that game in Parc de Princes in 1992/1993? when France had 2 sent off and a clash of heads in midfield.
Trust me, Skinner, Dooley, Ackford, Moore etc were no better than the current Sarries crop.
I may not like it, but jeez, when it’s your team and you win in dark places…you can only cheer.

I’ll remove my rose tinted glasses, to mildly boo Sarries!  :D
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Rossm on June 12, 2022, 08:18:50 AM
I won't be cheering for either side in the final. As was posted on Shedweb, minor cheats v major cheats. Sad for English rugby.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: mike909 on June 12, 2022, 09:27:16 AM
Three dangerous tackles by the same team in a 15 minute spell, amongst a raft of others that were borderline at best. Yet not a single red card. As mentioned above, what the hell did Umaga and Shields make if that?
When one team is playing dangerously, consistently, then surely the club should face some sort of reprimand as it starts to look like an engrained way of playing rather than isolated, unfortunate instances of poor judgement or execution.

It is engrained. I watched their final vs Bath - it ws repeated on tv recently, it was the one when Farrell straight armed Watson, he was taken off soon after and the EA's scored their first try whilst AW was looking groggy. It was v high, straight red any time, only a penalty....Just like the assault on Charlie by Farrell in the Prem game - tbf, it got a red, but you don't run many metres with clear view of your target accidentally. They always suggest they are sorry - but I don't believe them.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Shugs on June 12, 2022, 11:57:27 AM
Both teams contesting the final are not easy to like for me. But Sarries have made an art form of it. Arrogant, entitled, nasty and posturing. I was also disappointed at the commentary constantly referring to them “winning” things before the relegation. I know they’ve not had titles removed but could we be spared this at least.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: WonkyWasp on June 12, 2022, 12:34:01 PM
I would rather clean out the kitchen oven than watch the impending final.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: hookender on June 12, 2022, 02:11:39 PM
I would rather clean out the kitchen oven than watch the impending final.

😄good way of practising for a ruck, but I don’t think your knees will be able to take it!

Unfortunately already got tickets, but at least enough of us going to make it a party day out. Breakfast booked for 10:30 West Hampstead . Gonna be long day.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: WonkyWasp on June 12, 2022, 09:12:32 PM
Hope you enjoy it boy!! Have a grand day.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on June 12, 2022, 09:18:51 PM
If justice is to be served the weekend’s citing officials are going to be busy.

https://twitter.com/rugbyinsideline/status/1535550017389445122?s=21&t=phqwnRZVrOJ1Fji-G0_6PA

https://twitter.com/rugbyinsideline/status/1536070618168295424?s=21&t=phqwnRZVrOJ1Fji-G0_6PA

Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: JonnyD on June 12, 2022, 11:27:33 PM
If justice is to be served the weekend’s citing officials are going to be busy.

https://twitter.com/rugbyinsideline/status/1535550017389445122?s=21&t=phqwnRZVrOJ1Fji-G0_6PA

https://twitter.com/rugbyinsideline/status/1536070618168295424?s=21&t=phqwnRZVrOJ1Fji-G0_6PA

100% he won’t get cited for that.
I am still yet to see the JTA ‘striking’ that got him banned for three matches and ultimately led to him never getting picked again for Wasps
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: DGP Wasp on June 13, 2022, 09:25:46 AM
If justice is to be served the weekend’s citing officials are going to be busy.

https://twitter.com/rugbyinsideline/status/1535550017389445122?s=21&t=phqwnRZVrOJ1Fji-G0_6PA

https://twitter.com/rugbyinsideline/status/1536070618168295424?s=21&t=phqwnRZVrOJ1Fji-G0_6PA

100% he won’t get cited for that.
I am still yet to see the JTA ‘striking’ that got him banned for three matches and ultimately led to him never getting picked again for Wasps

I fear you're right as it's the sainted Owen Farrell, who appears to be constantly in the blind spot of TMOs and citing officers alike, no doubt with some pressure applied from the RFU to protect the Golden Child.
Title: Re: Semi-Finals
Post by: baldpaul101 on June 13, 2022, 12:32:46 PM
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On a sour note, just cannot stand Sarries and the way they celebrate in the oppo's faces. I know its old fashioned but it's just goading, irritating and designed to wind up the opposition.

Totally agree, but was interesting to watch Quins, who love to indulge in that sort of niggly wind up themselves not enjoying it one bit when dished out to them.