Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: HDAWG on September 28, 2020, 08:31:50 PM
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Thoughts on how we're doing guys?
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I believe it is a "you can't penalise Robshaw" match and as such Wasps cannot be allowed to win!
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awful
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Just a bit loose all round at the minute. It's been a strange game. It has a feel of us dominating but we've hardly been in their 22. Awful missed tackle by Gaskell for their first try which was a bit of a momentum shifter. Quins lucky not to have been yellowed at scrum time.
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We’re trying to force it. Someone needs to remind the boys that to get 5 points we need to get 4 first.
Dominant in the set piece and with an unbelievable rate in scoring from first-phase ball, we just need to be a little more pragmatic and play in their half, not constantly in ours.
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Well - hard one to say. Looked good everywhere we'd want to - but are behind
I'm more than a little pee'd with Pearce - their second was from a clear off feet and offside at breakdown and that penalty in the last scrum was a joke. I think we need to come out and take the ref out of the equation as much as possible.
I'd guess we'll look to play a little more territory - but we've got to keep the tempo up too.
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Often seems to happen when a team becomes dominant in the set piece, they seem to forget they can do other things and start just to focus on that in the game at the expense of other facets.
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We do so well when defending and counter-attaking from turnovers. Today we are on top in scrums and line outs to a lesser extent and seem surprised that it is not leading to trys. Cut out the mistakes and we should be ok but we can't afford giving soft trys through poor tackling.
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We need to create field position.
Take penalties. And any points available.
And get ourselves into a position to unleash our powerful bench for the last 20 minutes.
Time for calm heads.
Very glad Jimmy is on the pitch to guide those around him.
Come on Wasps.
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+1 - soft shoulders and not keeping hold of the ball overshadows a decent set piece performance so far.
Plenty to work on at half time.
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Wasps appear to have given up. Quins rolling all over them.
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Everything Quins do turns to gold, where as Wasps it's mistakes all round. Umaga missing touch has been shocking
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There’s a distinct lack of leadership. Someone needs to get amongst them and start leading from the front.
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Why did Carley try to persuade quite strongly against the red.
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Absolute burglary
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I'll take it.
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Well, that turned it around. Well done lads. On to Chiefs. For now its up to Sale to win away at Saints.
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There you go.
EASY-PEASY.
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Very fortunate but I’ll take it too.
We missed Joe and we were clumsy.
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Never in doubt...
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I’m really convinced that that ‘knock on’ close to the line was actually a Quinn hand coming through the ruck.
Clever.
But I don’t think the referee really looked at it closely.
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Ilea dealt us a get out of jail free card there and they took it. I think the phrase is winning ugly., but at this stage of the season who cares?
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Phew. Thought we looked a bit nervy. I'm not sure Willis is human. Set piece was great but until the last 15 just too many mistakes. Thought Shields was solid and Rowlands carried hard. All's well that ends well!!
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I don’t think the break did us any good but I think we will play better against Exeter.
Tip of the cap to Chris Robshaw.
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Didn't get to watch that one, seeing how it went I'm not sure I want to now...
Three more wins needed.
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Disjointed performance for no apparent reason. Coaches and players can learn from that and be glad that we won a game that in another time, we'd have lost.
I've been impressed in recent game with our on pitch leadership - today it seemed a bit missing - as if things aren't going to hand, you surely look to your set piece domination and keep it simple?
Still - I think the coaching team and the players are up for learning the lessons - as said above, I'll take those 5 points and be grateful.
Odd game in that we really saw nothing much of the backs ball in hand - as if our alignments or something weren't quite in order. Again - if its not working - we need to have another strand to our bow, on occasions
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2nd with 1 to play. Who wouldn't have taken that after the loss to Saints at the Ricoh at the start of the year when we were about 9th?
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And there’s me about to criticise Jack for giving penalties away......
He is a very special player and I know nothing!
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I'll take that, a wins a win.
I'll throw a curve ball... I wouldn't be surprised if Quins defence shut down our attack. More so because one of their coaches is very good friends with one of our coaches from League days....
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I’m actually glad we won fugly today.
As others have said, it’s best to get that win and move on.
But, I think it will help focus minds to the games ahead.
This game could be a blessing in disguise.
It’s instilled the belief that if we play right until the end, we can still win these games.
Heads didn’t drop.
The bench is strong.
Silly errors can be cleaned up.
And our strategy and on-field decision making can be adjusted.
Probably the best type of game we could ask for before Exeter and beyond.
If we had win easily by 30 points, I dint think we would have learnt anything.
But I think we learnt loads from this game with a young side.
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And there’s me about to criticise Jack for giving penalties away......
He is a very special player and I know nothing!
He’s the leadership that we needed and if he isn’t captain in a couple of years something’s gone wrong.
What is interesting is he keeps saying his brother is better than him and while I wouldn’t want to make a call either way his brother had a solid game and looks like there’s a lot more to come.
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Great post match one liner from Lee Blackett about erecting a statue of Tom and Jack’s mum at the aRicoh.
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Why did Carley try to persuade quite strongly against the red.
Yeah that was weird, kept offering him replays to check when it was pretty obvious it was a straight red.
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Why did Carley try to persuade quite strongly against the red.
I read it the other way, he was giving a red card unless someone gave him a very good reason not to. He dismissed looking at it in real time again. If anyone was against red it was the TMO who kept asking him to look at other angles.
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Have just opened my eyes. Can I now take the cotton wool out of my ears? Would someone hand me my heart pills please.
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Why did Carley try to persuade quite strongly against the red.
I read it the other way, he was giving a red card unless someone gave him a very good reason not to. He dismissed looking at it in real time again. If anyone was against red it was the TMO who kept asking him to look at other angles.
Carley was the TMO.
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Thought Pearce got most things right. But again he basically ignored loads of off feet. Not that he's alone in that. Carley was right to ask Pearce if he wanted any other looks - it was such a big call. Carley was also convinced about the knock on for our non try. I wasn't so sure about that.
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"Carley was also convinced about the knock on for our non try. I wasn't so sure about that."
From the angle the arm that touched the ball was travelling, looked like Quins hand in the ruck to me.
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Why did Carley try to persuade quite strongly against the red.
I read it the other way, he was giving a red card unless someone gave him a very good reason not to. He dismissed looking at it in real time again. If anyone was against red it was the TMO who kept asking him to look at other angles.
Carley was the TMO.
That’s worrying, I got it in to my head He was reffing. I hope that was my only senior moment today, but I doubt it.
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Very happy with that result! All in our own hands now. 4 pts Sunday and play off secure. 5 pts and home SF. Who would have dreamed of that on Feb 15?
This squad will be a real force next season.
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"Carley was also convinced about the knock on for our non try. I wasn't so sure about that."
From the angle the arm that touched the ball was travelling, looked like Quins hand in the ruck to me.
Yes, me too. I thought Pearce got to the point that he wasn't able to see it but could tell Carley was so convinced he went with it. It could really have cost us - Pearce should have made sure he was absolutely sure.
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And there’s me about to criticise Jack for giving penalties away......
He is a very special player and I know nothing!
I said the same at half time. He did concede a few first half. More than made up for it though.
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Hats off to Robshaw for a good game and a great career.
He’s a great example to younger players coming through.
Also hats off to Marcus Smith for his amazing try and the effort he put in tonight.
Jacob didn’t have his best night, but also didn’t let his head drop and put Alfie through beautifully late-on.
So glad Jimmy was on the pitch tonight.
A calming influence whilst fubar all around.
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Hats off to Robshaw for a good game and a great career.
He’s a great example to younger players coming through.
Also hats off to Marcus Smith for his amazing try and the effort he put in tonight.
Jacob didn’t have his best night, but also didn’t let his head drop and put Alfie through beautifully late-on.
So glad Jimmy was on the pitch tonight.
A calming influence whilst fubar all around.
Yes - Jacob’s head dropped for a while but he got back on track and did well to put Alfie into the gap.
He will learn from this though and I suspect he will be back to normal on Sunday.
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I love Jimmy but felt he had a very rough first half. Missed kick at goal, knock ons, missed tackles. 10/12 looked under pressure for much of the game.
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Isn't it nice when you spoil the oppo's party? ;D ;D ;D
I always thought we would get the 5 pointer but I confess I did start to worry when they scored their third try ::)
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I watched the recording 'as live' after the game finished. This was deliberate as the only game I've actually watched live since the restart we lost. I hope to keep doing this for the next 3 games this season.
I thought Dobby was very poor until the end. Slow and inaccurate passing, indecisive and errors. Saw he was Capt but didn't see any evidence of that on the pitch. Think his obvious nerves reflected on the team, particularly Jacob. After the red card I was screaming at the TV to get the ball wide where the space was. When he finally did it we scored. I'm sure he'll be much better next time and Joe should be back to bring the control we lacked.
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I watched the recording 'as live' after the game finished. This was deliberate as the only game I've actually watched live since the restart we lost. I hope to keep doing this for the next 3 games this season.
I thought Dobby was very poor until the end. Slow and inaccurate passing, indecisive and errors. Saw he was Capt but didn't see any evidence of that on the pitch. Think his obvious nerves reflected on the team, particularly Jacob. After the red card I was screaming at the TV to get the ball wide where the space was. When he finally did it we scored. I'm sure he'll be much better next time and Joe should be back to bring the control we lacked.
I fully agree about Dan - some of his passes were woeful being too high or too low to allow meaningful progression. I was surprised he wasn't subbed for Vellacott. As a Captain he should have been in the Ref's ear like half the Quins team were. Thought I heard Lee say that they had too long off between matches!
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I'd like to hear that Blackett got his Captains together ie Launchbury, Young and Robson and perhaps Gopperth also and remind them of their worth to the team as decision makers when things are not going to plan.
Perhaps invite Dallaglio in so he can share his experience on this and how to enter into dialogue with the Referee as I agree with others that we don't communicate with the officials as much as other teams do.
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Maybe they should talk more to the ref, not sure that being in their ear the whole time works either though. Careful comments that could affect future decisions should be the focus, not whinging about previous decisions that won't be changed.
It would have been hard to begrudge Robshaw getting man of the match, he stood out as having a good game and would probably have got it if Quins had won. Ugo couldn't do that though as he would have felt biased and would be hammered on social media. Wasps did well to grind out a win and turn performances around, but not sure anyone really stood out.
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Ugo couldn't do that though as he would have felt biased and would be hammered on social media.
Assuming there's heavy sarcasm in there somewhere?!?! :D
He's never been shy of a Quins love in before. With him and Dallaglio commentating last night, both with strong ties to the 2 teams, it was evident that Lol had at least one and a half eyes open, whereas Monye still has too many mates in that Quins set up for him to be remotely impartial. I always find Lol to be pretty balanced in his commentary, but I'm conscious that as a Wasps fan, listening to someone with perhaps a slight leaning to Wasps might not grate in quite the same way as it would an opposition fan, so maybe I just don't notice it as much.
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Certainly most of the sports network group fans complain vociferously about Lol's commentary, especially when covering Wasps, Tigers especially.
I thought Ugo was not as pro Quins as normal during the game, he made up for it after but then again Robshaw is a top bloke who has earnt respect on the pitch for his performances and off the pitch for calling out Sarries and conducting himself well generally.
I don't have a problem with a little bias in the studio at HT, but always prefer expert summarisers to either be neutral or to be openly clear that they are speaking with a club hat on, ideally with one from each club.
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I find Austin Healey far and away the best analyst. He's insightful with no hint of bias. He parodies himself too sometimes which is quite amusing.
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Whilst lol and Ugo can be insightful and humorous, and acknowledging that we all have some bias in our view of the world, both make poor match commentators for me. I am sorry, but I do not know his name, but the guy who commentates often on games shown on the 'extra' channels (where the game is on on BT Sports 1,2 or 3) is far better. The guy who commentated on the last of our matches to be shown on BT Sport 1 Extra I think, from memory.
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Healey and Kay are both very good. Prefer both to Ugo and Lol. Have to say, I feel Ugo has some decent insights, but they do tend to be offset with some more general guff.
Flatman is very good, enjoy listening to him, same with Warburton.
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I thought Ugo was not as pro Quins as normal during the game, he made up for it after but then again
It did make me chuckle when he winged before kick off that the word “confidence” was used over 50 times already to describe the change in Wasps’ fortune.
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Ugo always comes across a bit like a commentator in the Olympics who is asked to cover some obscure sport they've never watched before and drunkenly read the Wikipedia page on the sport to try and give the impression he knows what he's on about. Whilst he does have some good insights occasionally he waffles too much and gets too many things wrong.
Healey is good, apart from when he tries to be funny. Ben Kay is someone I find infuriating and very anti-Wasps. He never seems to have a good word to say about it, and whilst he is a director at Leicester in the same way Lawrence is at Wasps, he seems much more involved in day to day decisions, which I don't think enables him to stay neutral. I think, to be honest Lawrence is pretty biased towards Wasps and I can see why he rarely features on our matches, but at least when we're playing badly he will say so. Flatman is a natural at this media lark.
Going back to the match, I commented in the morning all thread about the steel the squad have developed to grind out wins and it really showed last night. The red card helped us, but I think the extended break between the ball going out of play and play eventually restarting after the red card was more important as it gave us a chance to calm down and reset before play resumed. Jack was quite simply exceptional, Tom did little wrong. The pack were dominant and not fairly rewarded in my view.
The backs were a bit anonymous. When Jacob makes an error he tends to fall apart pretty quickly and I think he benefitted from having Gopperth outside him last night, unlike in the second half against Sale when Gopperth was at Full Back. Dobby managed to combine the sublime with the ridiculous at times. His pass to Young for the third try and kick shortly after the red card tackle were the sublime elements of his game.
At the time I was surprised about the red card, but having watched it back and listened to Luke Pearce's reasoning, I actually found it refreshing to see an official take the view that the tackled players action to protect themselves against serious injury should not be a mitigating factor in the outcome. My concern whenever you hear a referee say a player lands on an arm that they have naturally put out to break their fall means it's a yellow is that we will create an environment where players try to stop protecting themselves and will eventually result in serious injury. That said, I wouldn't be shocked if it gets overturned at the RFU Disciplinary Hearing.
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Ben Kay is someone I find infuriating and very anti-Wasps. He never seems to have a good word to say about it,
He has been praising Jack Willis frequently of late.....
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Probably gritted teeth
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Ben Kay is someone I find infuriating and very anti-Wasps. He never seems to have a good word to say about it,
He has been praising Jack Willis frequently of late.....
With the way Jack's been playing how can he not?!
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Ben Kay is someone I find infuriating and very anti-Wasps. He never seems to have a good word to say about it,
He has been praising Jack Willis frequently of late.....
With the way Jack's been playing how can he not?!
Absolutely, but I don't think he does it grudgingly. My point being, I don't think he's anti Wasps. Now Stuart Barnes, that's another kettle of fish entirely......
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On a totally separate note, the BBC seem to have employed an even younger teenager to update the tables. As of this morning, Wasps had not played Quins. Now take a look:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/english-premiership/table
Zeros across the board!!! Competence in short supply I guess.
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That's next season's table! Newcastle and no Cheats. :o
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Typical bbc - no interest at all. Pathetic organisation.
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And yet the Championship, which was wrapped up months ago, still has last season's table...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/the-english-championship/table
I only checked in the hope of seeing Sarries in there alongside Jersey, Doncaster and Amthill! Looks like once it does change over then Sarries will be bottom alphabetically! :)
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BBC fix the league table after complaints.