Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: nuneaton wasps on October 21, 2022, 01:15:51 PM
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TIGERS ARE DOING FREE 3 GAME TICKET BUNDLE FOR WASP SEASON TICKET HOLDERS AND STAFF ,
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Ah go support the Cheetahs.
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Tigers can get stuffed. How about help where they can to get the club back up and running rather than feasting on the remains for fans and players.
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They have already been canvassing Wasps' club and player sponsors as well this week!
Shocking behaviour from a "fellow" Premiership Rugby Club in times like this for Wasps Fans - exactly why I have always hated them as a club back from the 90's.
Why on earth would a true Wasps Fan want to go and watch Tigers?
If that's their attitude, I hope they enjoy the lost revenue coming their way from no home games for the next few weeks!!
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No thanks.
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Tigers can get stuffed. How about help where they can to get the club back up and running rather than feasting on the remains for fans and players.
Exactly how would you expect them to help ?
Personally I think its a nice gesture for STH and staff ...... and if anyone has taken the time to read the advert I would imagine that staff who have been made redundant are grateful for any opportunity to be able to seek work and get an interview locally.
We should be directing our anger at DR not Tigers (IMHO)
Just my 2c worth
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Thanks NW.
Kind gesture by Tigers but I'm going to have a premiership rugby sabbatical for now.
I wish all the Wasps players (and staff) well in finding new clubs but it's going to be really difficult watching them line up for different premiership teams.
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Tigers can get stuffed. How about help where they can to get the club back up and running rather than feasting on the remains for fans and players.
Exactly how would you expect them to help ?
Personally I think its a nice gesture for STH and staff ...... and if anyone has taken the time to read the advert I would imagine that staff who have been made redundant are grateful for any opportunity to be able to seek work and get an interview locally.
We should be directing our anger at DR not Tigers (IMHO)
Just my 2c worth
I agree it is a nice gesture Mark. Not many will take them up on it but at least the offer is there.
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I am puzzled by some of the 'angry' responses here. I took this as a nice gesture from Tigers. Whenever I have visited them, the staff and fans have been nothing other than great.
I cannot say that I will be taking them up on the offer, but since Covid and my heart attack, I have had to severely curtail what I do and where I go outside my home.
I speak for myself, and probably a lot of fans. We are in pain, but please recognise that the club is where it is because it owes, according to Stephen Vaughan, over £100m. No one forced Wasps to get that far in to debt, it was choices made by the management since the 'dark days'. For the last few years, Wasps have been a corpse still walking. Could things have been different? Yes, we could have simply folded way back then instead.
But do not 'blame' the other clubs. Self interest is inevitable, as is bending of the rules. To misquote Barbossa, "The rules is more what you’d call ‘guidelines’ than actual rules."
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Personally think it is a nice gesture and have applied, used to attend some of their big European games and was looking at the Clermont one anyway to meet up with some Tigers friends.
Also back to CBSA to watch Rugby League World Cup game tonight.
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They have also said any Wasps/Worcester staff will get to the interview stage for any jobs going.
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Thanks Tigers (genuinely!), but no thanks.
200 mile round trip to see Wasps was one thing. 200 mile round trip to see someone other than Wasps? No thanks. I'll get my live rugby fix somewhere a bit closer to home now, almost certainly not in the Premiership, and definitely not for a wee while yet.
There will be some out there for whom Leicester is now their nearest Premiership club, and if Charlie Atkinson goes there as rumoured, then I'd understand if some fancied going along to track his continued progress.
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I think it is a nice gesture, albeit potentially benefitiing them and,lest we forget, the whole Premier league did scupper our best survival route with the p share.
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Colonel Wasp - they've missed out one sponsor at least.
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I think it is good intentions, but wouldn't do that to myself. It isn't just that I have lost interest in Prem rugby, it is literally irritating to me now. I have a funny feeling that if I do dip my toe back into watching club rugby, it will more likely be Top14. Maybe see how the ex-Wasps are getting on at Racing.
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I am puzzled by some of the 'angry' responses here. I took this as a nice gesture from Tigers. Whenever I have visited them, the staff and fans have been nothing other than great.
I cannot say that I will be taking them up on the offer, but since Covid and my heart attack, I have had to severely curtail what I do and where I go outside my home.
I speak for myself, and probably a lot of fans. We are in pain, but please recognise that the club is where it is because it owes, according to Stephen Vaughan, over £100m. No one forced Wasps to get that far in to debt, it was choices made by the management since the 'dark days'. For the last few years, Wasps have been a corpse still walking. Could things have been different? Yes, we could have simply folded way back then instead.
But do not 'blame' the other clubs. Self interest is inevitable, as is bending of the rules. To misquote Barbossa, "The rules is more what you’d call ‘guidelines’ than actual rules."
+1
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I thinknits really interesting and quite telling that Steve Vaughan has managed to shift rhe blame onto the "management" while conveniently not mentioning that he was CEO and therefore ultimately in charge of the management.
Everyone was thrilled when he came on board because he was supposed to turn us around, but what did he actually manage to do?
Cut the player budget, remove the match day experience, and bin our DoR without replacing him.
And yet he's the good guy...
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I thinknits really interesting and quite telling that Steve Vaughan has managed to shift rhe blame onto the "management" while conveniently not mentioning that he was CEO and therefore ultimately in charge of the management.
Everyone was thrilled when he came on board because he was supposed to turn us around, but what did he actually manage to do?
Cut the player budget, remove the match day experience, and bin our DoR without replacing him.
And yet he's the good guy...
As things stand, he's the only one talking so he may be spinning us another line.
I still not happy with Dai having gone, and the wider matchday experience is part of what made the weekends exciting back then.
However, if we take his word for it, we'd have been in this position much earlier if costs weren't cut.
I still don't really know the exact definition of breaking even, but if that genuinely means the was likely to be some light at the end of the tunnel (even though we didn't even know we were in a tunnel) then it may have been worthwhile.
For now, he's the only person keeping peoples hopes up of the club having any kind of future
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I thinknits really interesting and quite telling that Steve Vaughan has managed to shift rhe blame onto the "management" while conveniently not mentioning that he was CEO and therefore ultimately in charge of the management.
Everyone was thrilled when he came on board because he was supposed to turn us around, but what did he actually manage to do?
Cut the player budget, remove the match day experience, and bin our DoR without replacing him.
And yet he's the good guy...
It’s a fair point VV. I struggle to see a scenario where he comes out with any credit.
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Must say thar re: Dai: I'm glad he's gone. For the first 2 years of his tenure he was superb. For the last 2 years - a totally different story.
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I thinknits really interesting and quite telling that Steve Vaughan has managed to shift rhe blame onto the "management" while conveniently not mentioning that he was CEO and therefore ultimately in charge of the management.
Everyone was thrilled when he came on board because he was supposed to turn us around, but what did he actually manage to do?
Cut the player budget, remove the match day experience, and bin our DoR without replacing him.
And yet he's the good guy...
Looked at his LinkedIn page when this first blew up. Can’t say he’s had any great success at any of the companies listed where he has had a major role. Unless he likes lost causes.
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Dai was a disaster in his last 18 months. It was obvious that the style in 2017 was not what he wanted, it was what he got with fiver at 10 and a superstar back line, and put up with whilst we were winning.
Had Dai been Shaun, Danny would never have left, they were and are very close, and if there is one pivotal moment on the playing front, it was Danny going, and his replacement by a much more conservative 10. We would never have fallen as far in playing terms.
Check out the post above with Danny interviewing Wade. Sober reading from Dai's perspective.
I am grateful for Dai's time at the club, but he needed to go with his head held high rather than hang on, he was right to leave when he did.
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I think it is good intentions, but wouldn't do that to myself. It isn't just that I have lost interest in Prem rugby, it is literally irritating to me now. I have a funny feeling that if I do dip my toe back into watching club rugby, it will more likely be Top14. Maybe see how the ex-Wasps are getting on at Racing.
After the French have stopped striking we intend to go over and watch a match. Easy to get tickets - just need to see which one.
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Have a good time Neils et al!
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Stephen’s greatest achievement was getting CCFC back to the Ricoh in c.March 2021.
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Must say thar re: Dai: I'm glad he's gone. For the first 2 years of his tenure he was superb. For the last 2 years - a totally different story.
I'm by no means saying that everything he touched turned to gold.
Just that he was a good, honourable guy who did everything they he believed to be correct for the club.
I don't know what was said in that meeting when he left, but as we're finding out now, we were already massively in debt and some of his decisions were likely being overridden from above
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None of which alters that it was probably best for all concerned. Dai kept his honour, reputation, and integrity. Had he stayed longer I don't think it would have happened in such a beneficial way for all parties.
Dai is home, by and large we moved on- another heartbreaking final with a different team. Certainly not holding what happened with Dai as a black mark for SV. Quite the opposite, it seemed to be well handled.
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Sorry ... he sank deeply in my estimation.
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Who, Dai or Stephen?
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Dai.
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Dai was a disaster in his last 18 months. It was obvious that the style in 2017 was not what he wanted, it was what he got with fiver at 10 and a superstar back line, and put up with whilst we were winning.
Had Dai been Shaun, Danny would never have left, they were and are very close, and if there is one pivotal moment on the playing front, it was Danny going, and his replacement by a much more conservative 10. We would never have fallen as far in playing terms.
Couple of things I think need to be elaborated here.
Sopoaga was signed because Cipriani was being difficult in contract negotiations and he's been open with this. Cips wanted to play for England, but wanted Eddie's confirmation on that first. He waited until the end of the season and when picked for SA tour signed with an English club. Meanwhile Dai signed Sopoaga because he was available and genuinely a fantastic fly half, because Cipriani wouldn't commit until end of season. Dai's hand was forced.
And Dai absolutely wanted us to play exciting backs, because we did so before Cips even signed for us! Sopoaga being misused as a direct Cipriani replacement is indicative of Dai's desired play style. Then Umaga replacing Sopoaga further confirms this, because surprise, he played closer to Cipriani than Sops and Dai wanted that.
Listen Dai leaving ended up being good for us at the time (which I was against initially), but he wasn't god awful in his last few seasons. In his final season he was just incredibly inconsistent and felt like he micromanaged too much.
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Yeah, we all know that it was Danny who buggered us about, not Dai, but the point was Dai and Danny did not see eye to eye, and I think the Wade/Cipriani interview shows that, clearly. Even Dai himself made comments showing his frustration at times that made me wonder how happy he was with his ten going off piste. That was on national TV!
England aside, had it been Shaun and not Dai, Danny may not have left because they are hugely close. Danny has made lots of comments about coaches, and is clearly very complementary about a couple, but I have never heard good words about Dai from him.
We had no choice prior to the move in how we played, we had to play exciting rugby as we had Wade and Varndell on the wings and a relatively mobile back row. We did not have the cash to get top names, and when we did it was not for the cash that they came. Betsen et al were not there for the money. I don't think that was Dai's blueprint, it was necessity, and we did well in managing what we had under Dai.I just think he wanted a more conservative game.
I don't see last few *seasons* as a disaster, far from it, but the last few months were a team going nowhere, heading for a cliff, and SV managed Dai's departure very well, allowing him to leave with full dignity as befits a true club servant.
I still see Cardiff games as the wife is a fan, and wish Dai well. Coincidentally, they have a lot of the same issues we had these past few months. Discipline going to pot in the last quarter, a crummy lineout when in their 22, and a bit of white line fever, with a tendency to bash away phase after phase on their line after a good break.
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Sorry WWW, can't agree about Dai! Pre-Lee was not a happy time for many players.
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Isn't that what I just said? I just made relatively critical comments of Dai's last 18 months, and accused him of being too conservative in what he wants, and of not seeing eye to eye with Danny.
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Yes WWW, you did, and I completely agree! I meant it a different way, as in ... oh dear, I was told this by a relative not by any player or Admin person .... he was a bully and used the saying Put into Coventry in it's most unpleasant way, for maybe a week and sometimes two. Maybe that resulted in personnel leaving - who knows. I do know of at least one player (a lovely chap) who got the silent treatment for a fortnight. Sad.
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Personally think it is a nice gesture and have applied, used to attend some of their big European games and was looking at the Clermont one anyway to meet up with some Tigers friends.
Also back to CBSA to watch Rugby League World Cup game tonight.
I know not everyone was in favour of this but to be fair to Tigers I have received nearly £500 worth of tickets from them today for myself and my family for the 3 games in the package.
Like the discussion on another thread I consider myself on a mutually beneficial short term contract to them with a view to returning.
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I would actually say that if enough Wasps fans take them up then it will show the rfu and prl that rugby fans will just move next door when clubs go.
Not the message I would like to send.
The more clubs hurt financially without Wasps and Worcs, the more likely we are to see them back. I won't be watching any PRL rugby again in any way shape or form until Wasps are up and running and in with a chance of promotion.
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Agreed WWW. I can't bring myself to watch any rugby other than wheelchair. That's as close as I can get. I could never support another club, tho' I'll probably watch and cheer on the Barbarians as most of them seem to be Wasps. England v Barbarians = EAs v Wasps.
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I managed to watch 20 minutes of the Bath v Tigers game. Switched off as the commentary team eulogised over a Bath team including Shilcock, Lawrence, Hill, Annett and Morozov. They were saying things like “have Bath finally clicked”? No, they’ve just got half of someone else’s team now. As soon as my BT subscription runs out I imagine I’ll lose touch with the PRL fairly quickly.
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Have lost all faith in professional rugby, even internationals. Will not be watching rugby and football on TV for the foreseeable future.
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Have lost all faith in professional rugby, even internationals. Will not be watching rugby and football on TV for the foreseeable future.
What he said.
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Have lost all faith in professional rugby, even internationals. Will not be watching rugby and football on TV for the foreseeable future.
What he said.
What he said almost twice (still watch URC and Top 14 - anything non PRL and BT)
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This is so so sad. It's not the fault of the game, nor the players who have to make a living, continue their career and provide for their families. Covid and resulting loss of income (and maybe sloppy accounting, tho' not on our owner's part) are a part of it but imho I would point to sloppy practice and lack of care by the RFU who don't seem to care about the present state or the future of rugby. Maybe they have their own reasons. If so, they need to take a mighty big look at themselves and their contact with and accountability to the fans, supporters and grassroot players of rugby or they (RFU) will succeed in killing off the sport we love. Just my feelings.
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PS The RFU seem to think Wasp supporters will wander off to support other clubs, which shows how little the RFU know. Many Wasp supporters will be lost to rugby for ever. I would continue supporting Wasps if we continue as a Club in the Championship, but if we die because of the RFU then that's me done for ever.
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Obviously I am in a minority but I have continued to watch Prem games that are on BT sport. I watched games other than Wasps before & will continue to do so.
It will never be the same without Wasps, I very much doubt I will go to watch any live games and would not pay extra for BT sport if it wasn't already part of my package.
As for transferring my allegiance to another club? Whoever thinks that might happen is delusional.
Personally I hold Wasps & Wasp alone to blame for this, yes PRL, RFU, HMRC, CC Council etc etc could have been more helpful & understanding but at the end of the day, no one else can be to blame IMO.
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Obviously I am in a minority but I have continued to watch Prem games that are on BT sport. I watched games other than Wasps before & will continue to do so.
It will never be the same without Wasps, I very much doubt I will go to watch any live games and would not pay extra for BT sport if it wasn't already part of my package.
As for transferring my allegiance to another club? Whoever thinks that might happen is delusional.
Personally I hold Wasps & Wasp alone to blame for this, yes PRL, RFU, HMRC, CC Council etc etc could have been more helpful & understanding but at the end of the day, no one else can be to blame IMO.
I have tried to watch other Prem games as no League games leaves a big hole in my weekends. However, I've not managed to watch any of them right through. The enthusiasm simply isn't there.
Personally, I blame the Revenue as I hate the bastards. Same as parking wardens. They are fundamentally evil. Does any child say that they want to be a taxman when they grow up?
The deil cam fiddlin' thro' the town, And danc'd awa wi' th' Exciseman, And ilka wife cries, "Auld Mahoun, I wish you luck o' the prize, man."
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I have tried to watch other Prem games as no League games leaves a big hole in my weekends. However, I've not managed to watch any of them right through. The enthusiasm simply isn't there.
I joined my local club, Stratford-upon-Avon RFC. It cost me £50 for the season. For that, I get free entry, free parking, free programs (not that I actually will or did take one).
I got to watch a couple of games on Saturday and thoroughly enjoyed myself. The quality of the play was quite good. The refereeing was very good. The games flowed very quickly, with only minor interruptions.
It is only 10 minutes from my house, at most.
I was in my Wasps shirt, and met quite a few other Wasps supporters there, many were season ticket holders.
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I have tried to watch other Prem games as no League games leaves a big hole in my weekends. However, I've not managed to watch any of them right through. The enthusiasm simply isn't there.
I joined my local club, Stratford-upon-Avon RFC. It cost me £50 for the season. For that, I get free entry, free parking, free programs (not that I actually will or did take one).
I got to watch a couple of games on Saturday and thoroughly enjoyed myself. The quality of the play was quite good. The refereeing was very good. The games flowed very quickly, with only minor interruptions.
It is only 10 minutes from my house, at most.
I was in my Wasps shirt, and met quite a few other Wasps supporters there, many were season ticket holders.
Good club, played there many times, know the DoR well.