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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: DECEMBER
« on: December 22, 2023, 12:29:43 PM »We're not bound by European courts now, are we? Any decision would be at best advisory.No we're not, unless we choose to be as apart of any agreements with the EU. However it does set a precedent that someone might want to argue in our own Supreme Court if they wanted to join another league.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Possible news?
« on: December 20, 2023, 07:26:18 PM »
If DR didn?t have control of the shares he couldn?t use them as collateral for the loan that fell apart at the last minute. That?s probably why it dragged on for so long.
It also looks why DR had no choice but to call the receivers in.
It also looks why DR had no choice but to call the receivers in.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Falcons - Year of Unrest
« on: December 19, 2023, 07:24:28 PM »
Has anyone seen any attendance figures for this season? Wasn?t the premise of the 10 team league that they would get more revenue?
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: 2023/24 season
« on: December 07, 2023, 09:10:43 AM »
Why would anyone make an upfront commitment to buy an ST? Those promises may be well meaning but they?re meaningless if the tax authorities or DCMS suddenly have a change of heart and they are looking at the same data and wondering if they will get paid.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Is this not a little ridiculous with limited funds
« on: December 03, 2023, 10:57:21 AM »
I'm against central contracts but if they are introduced they should be limited to players who have a very good chance of playing in the next world cup. Farrell is 32 and whilst I know there have been players older than 36 but they are few and far between and he's no Johnny Sexton.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: I see even the well run Saints posted a loss this year
« on: November 24, 2023, 07:12:14 PM »
Does that BBC headline make sense to anyone?
Rugby dump at least makes some sense:
Without a close look at the books and all the footnotes its always hard to judge these things because of one-off and other costs. Increasing turnover has a cost in itself, the thing to look for is there a one off cost to get that new revenue level the new new normal.
Nonetheless, worrying times for players and staff.
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Northampton Saints: Record ?21.96m turnover, despite before-tax loss of ?1.1m
Rugby dump at least makes some sense:
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Releasing their financial figures today, Northampton Saints have recorded a loss of ?1.1 million before tax, despite a record annual turnover of ?21.96 million.
Without a close look at the books and all the footnotes its always hard to judge these things because of one-off and other costs. Increasing turnover has a cost in itself, the thing to look for is there a one off cost to get that new revenue level the new new normal.
Nonetheless, worrying times for players and staff.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: November 24, 2023, 03:49:34 PM »
I have used that VK site in the past but then switched to PRTV when it started.
I wouldn't touch it now for the reasons Ross gives.
I wouldn't touch it now for the reasons Ross gives.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: November 24, 2023, 12:11:32 PM »Thanks. The ex Wasps players are partly why I want to watch but also because I'm getting withdrawal symptoms.Anyone know where I can watch this without signing up to a subscription channel? I don?t mind paying a one-off fee.Also a pleasure watching Treviso these days with Jacob, Paolo, Fekitoa, Watson and Minozzi all potential picks
Edinburgh v Benetton Treviso Friday evening, tempting to book a nice weekend in Edinburgh with a stop off on the way into the city.
Not sure how it works or even if available in the UK but URC TV is an option.
Three ex Wasps playing for Treviso plus Vellacott on Edinburgh's bench.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: November 24, 2023, 10:34:57 AM »Anyone know where I can watch this without signing up to a subscription channel? I don?t mind paying a one-off fee.Also a pleasure watching Treviso these days with Jacob, Paolo, Fekitoa, Watson and Minozzi all potential picks
Edinburgh v Benetton Treviso Friday evening, tempting to book a nice weekend in Edinburgh with a stop off on the way into the city.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Hey ho - another one?
« on: November 18, 2023, 02:05:43 PM »
When I saw this post and then the article headline my assumption was Newcastle because I had a look at the table earlier and saw they were bottom without a win. Six straight losses and only 3 BPs.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: 10 Changes that should be made - Article
« on: November 13, 2023, 06:57:24 PM »There's no reason why repeated offences couldn't be penalised by awarding a penalty.Can you kick a drop goal direct from a free kick?
A brief googling says no. So back to over rewards a weak or ineffective scrum. A front row of Makos here we come.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: 10 Changes that should be made - Article
« on: November 13, 2023, 04:52:12 PM »
#3 We've discussed this a number of times on here a good move.
Once the ref has called use it nobody can join the ruck on either side, should stop the caterpillar and also give the SH a hurry up in case there's a a big push from the defending side that can't be countered,
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5. Enforce ? and tighten ? the ruck ?use it? countdown
The easiest tweak of this list? Referees could be stricter with enforcing the ?use it? law, whereby a team must play the ball five seconds after the referee has deemed it available. As it stands, this often leads to the dreaded ?caterpillar ruck? ? which would be tough to define, and therefore ban, in itself ? so enforcing this law would disrupt its formation. Only a positive. Could the limit be lowered to three seconds, too? Or, perhaps, once the referee has called ?use it?, the ball is automatically out after five seconds, rather than a resulting scrum?
Once the ref has called use it nobody can join the ruck on either side, should stop the caterpillar and also give the SH a hurry up in case there's a a big push from the defending side that can't be countered,
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Massie-Ferguson Speaks
« on: November 09, 2023, 05:46:07 PM »
@Neils & NWW
I agree, its hard to see a TV deal providing anywhere near the money the have in the past, rugby is only a schedule filler not a main draw to subscription TV. I would also expect there to be some fairly stiff claw back clauses around clubs dropping out and relegation.
I've said it before, but they might be better off in the long run seeing if ITV/C4 will pick it up and show live games, even if they have to give it away for a couple of years. Free to air rather than some dusty corner of yet another a subscription channel playing second or third fiddle to football would help rebuild fans bases, attract more kids to the game and be more appealing to sponsors if there a larger audience.
I agree, its hard to see a TV deal providing anywhere near the money the have in the past, rugby is only a schedule filler not a main draw to subscription TV. I would also expect there to be some fairly stiff claw back clauses around clubs dropping out and relegation.
I've said it before, but they might be better off in the long run seeing if ITV/C4 will pick it up and show live games, even if they have to give it away for a couple of years. Free to air rather than some dusty corner of yet another a subscription channel playing second or third fiddle to football would help rebuild fans bases, attract more kids to the game and be more appealing to sponsors if there a larger audience.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Massie-Ferguson Speaks
« on: November 08, 2023, 11:52:11 AM »Sounds plausible. If they expect to announce the deal in December they've probably agreed HoTs and financials and are just finalising the finer details. That should give the clubs a reasonable view of their finances until the end of the season.I stopped reading at the social media bit.
Trouble is there isn't much else to do other than read this stuff- unless you count going to the Warrior's board to endure the delusional ramblings of a few faves.
I guess PRL and the RFU think they may be able to survive this season with no further clubs down the swanny, but I am not so sure.
I suspect that, behind the scenes, they have required all the sugar daddies to sign a personal guarantee to fund the clubs sufficiently to keep them going until each of them has played their last game, with the sanction that the club would be booted out before the season started. I think this was why Irish went under. Having refused to sign up to that, it all unraveled from there.
What this means is that each owner, around January or February, will work out if they can or want to sustain their respective leeches for 24/25. If they do not, they will work out who actually needs paying (and when) to keep the doors open (and indeed that will also be affected by playoffs etc, and also if their last game is home or away). From a certain point onwards, creditors will start to find themselves not being paid. Again, exactly what happened at Irish. They then simply wait for HMRC to take action, which they will. It would not surprise me to see two more clubs go under.
It's like watching green bottles on a wall, in slow motion.
The next major hurdle will be TV rights. For the clubs that is a very big deal for financial because it gives them a known income for X years, most other streams being quite variable and subject to external influences.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: English rugby union adjusts to grim reality as RFU thrashes out new deal
« on: November 07, 2023, 09:09:30 PM »Quote
Sweeney has said the forthcoming deal is a chance to set aside self-interest.Has he met any club owners?