Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: Neils on December 27, 2020, 02:42:49 PM
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Lets hope for a positive thread!
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Lets hope for a positive thread!
No negative remarks for the last game of year
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Strange comment
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Fantastic defence!
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Strange commentary confusing Zac with the Dog. Especially when one has a very distinct hair do.
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Have definitely seen those given as a penalty.
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Lima taking the restart is interesting
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Strange comment
I meant of year! Changed
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Why wasn't that the same as Odogwu last year.
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Not the first Faf foot up contact. Seems to get away with it.
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Why is de Klerk still on the field?
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Come to that - why is CMK on the field at all??
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Sale appear to infringe at every breakdown - ref really needs to get more onto it.....
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Jamma isn’t quite as accurate at the breakdown as he used to be.... as long as we hang in this and get in the right areas, feels there for the taking.
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Sops defence found wanting.
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I think Dan Robson’s experience is much needed in the 2nd half.
And let’s give Sopps a much needed rest.
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Not a bad performance by Wasps. Just missing that clinical finishing. CMK as useless as ever. Foolish of me to expect anything different from him. He will never improve.
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Too many soft penalties. Not able to build any phases. Defence looking ok and scrum. Faf the difference so far. I like Porters aggression but on 50 I'd go Jimmy 10 and Dan 9.
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Well I was happy with first half . Lot less silly mistakes and penalties. Defence has good.
Other positive , le booj’s hair looks good
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On the whole both sides a bit rusty. Will say that Sale's try was pretty impressive.
Side note I've seen 2 incidents against Atkinson not reviewed where he gets absolutely pummeled. Dude is ridiculously tough for a 12 year old.
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Too many soft penalties. Not able to build any phases. Defence looking ok and scrum. Faf the difference so far. I like Porters aggression but on 50 I'd go Jimmy 10 and Dan 9.
I'd argue we only need Dan.
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I think Dan Robson’s experience is much needed in the 2nd half.
And let’s give Sopps a much needed rest.
Agree it’s time to bring on Robson with it only being a 7 point deficit at HT. Credit to Porter, he is playing with confidence, but he is just lacking the ingenuity of an experienced 9 and his clear out kicks haven’t given us the required territory or respite from Sale’s attacks.
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On the whole both sides a bit rusty. Will say that Sale's try was pretty impressive.
Side note I've seen 2 incidents against Atkinson not reviewed where he gets absolutely pummeled. Dude is ridiculously tough for a 12 year old.
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They can spend time looking for a head on head though!
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That was a never a penalty for a tackle off the ball against Booj. The guy just ran into him. Booj is entitled to stand his ground.
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Seriously confused by the officials stance on player safety.
If de Klerk was not a penalty how can Booj be penalised for the Sale blocking runner running into him? How could the No 8's seatbelt tackle on Cruse not be a penalty?
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Seriously confused by the officials stance on player safety.
If de Klerk was not a penalty how can Booj be penalised for the Sale blocking runner running into him? How could the No 8's seatbelt tackle on Cruse not be a penalty?
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I'm not sure I like the "let's look at it as many times as is necessary to prove me right" approach to the TMO by CMK.
And as for Faf's Hong Kong Phooey attempt, they come up with all sorts of excuses to justify their decision.
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Seriously confused by the officials stance on player safety.
If de Klerk was not a penalty how can Booj be penalised for the Sale blocking runner running into him? How could the No 8's seatbelt tackle on Cruse not be a penalty?
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And Sale are being allowed to compete with hands when the breakdown is a ruck. Every time
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I would leave young Atkinson on !
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Well, we'd be moaning like mad had CMK missed that forward pass the other way...
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That was the cheekiest step I've seen for a while. Atkinson teasing that for last few weeks and finally executes it perfectly. Filthy stuff.
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Seriously confused by the officials stance on player safety.
If de Klerk was not a penalty how can Booj be penalised for the Sale blocking runner running into him? How could the No 8's seatbelt tackle on Cruse not be a penalty?
The approach to player safety can be explained pretty easily.
Many years ago CMK made a pretty dreadful error sending off Nathan Hughes at Northampton for what would now be called a rugby incident.
He was rightly told he was incorrect and ever since he's viewed wasps as 'fair game'.
That's beautiful from Atkinson, why we aren't getting replays of apparent penalties is becoming rather obvious.
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Offside? New concept for the second half?
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Lovely try, hopefully the first of many for the lad.
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Alfie off injured - he looks in a lot of pain.
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How many players have we lost due to serious ankle injuries?
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What on earth happened to Bassett there
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What on earth happened to Bassett there
To much Christmas Pudding.
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Josh not chasing restarts with his usual gusto.
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Sopps kicking well.
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Yarde on Zac's head
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This Sale pitch is an absolute disgrace.
Injuries all over the place.
There seems way too much sand.
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The Mrs picked up on Yarde laughing at Zach?? I didn't see it, is that right?
Wishing Zach all the best.
Pleased with the respect shown by officials for not showing the goal line footage.
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Big danger of muscle injuries now.
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Hasn't JTA improved
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Hasn't JTA improved
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Dan's clearance kicks have made a big difference.
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Yes wonderful.
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But at what cost
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Fantastic. Big win.
Hope Zac is okay.
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Will MOTM didn't see that coming.
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A good win but possibly soured by injuries.
Farewell rugby in 2020, one of the few bright lights in an otherwise **** year, thanks to all the efforts of those who made it possible to forget a horrible year.
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Great win. Thoughts with Zach. JTA mom by a mile for me. Second half we started making dents going forward and Robson bought some nouse. Chronic lack of offsides called against Sale. Credit to Sopoaga for his place kicking. Tally of injuries seems to be Zach and Alfie. Was a bit worried about the MLB PO pairing defensively but they did well. Good 4 points and watching out for Zach updates.
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It might be because we won but I thought CMK had a good game - although the Faf kick was reckless and warranted a card.
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It might be because we won but I thought CMK had a good game - although the Faf kick was reckless and warranted a card.
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More of a team performance. Just hope Alfie’s injury isn’t anything too serious and fingers crossed for Zachary.
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It might be because we won but I thought CMK had a good game - although the Faf kick was reckless and warranted a card.
I think he had a decent enough game but I'd have liked to have seen Sale's misdemeanours picked up more than they were - especially as there was lots of input from the AR's all game.
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When was our last win away at Sale?
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Great win. Thoughts with Zach. JTA mom by a mile for me. Second half we started making dents going forward and Robson bought some nouse. Chronic lack of offsides called against Sale. Credit to Sopoaga for his place kicking. Tally of injuries seems to be Zach and Alfie. Was a bit worried about the MLB PO pairing defensively but they did well. Good 4 points and watching out for Zach updates.
Agree about JTA; so much energy for a prop.
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lee said that Zac was talking, but sounds like he was out for a while and Alfie felt something go in his ankle.
Neither sounds good and it looks like were going to be continuing with the injury list picking the team for at least a few more weeks.
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Hasn't JTA improved
My man of the match today.
Faultless goal kicking by Lima too. Credit where it's due.
Hope Zach OK.
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Great win. Thoughts with Zach. JTA mom by a mile for me. Second half we started making dents going forward and Robson bought some nouse. Chronic lack of offsides called against Sale. Credit to Sopoaga for his place kicking. Tally of injuries seems to be Zach and Alfie. Was a bit worried about the MLB PO pairing defensively but they did well. Good 4 points and watching out for Zach updates.
Agree about JTA; so much energy for a prop.
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He’s become the hack kick king of late ... and he always has this cheeky look when he does it.
I’ve often wondered about his fitness but today’s 80 minute shift surely answers that!
Agree he deserved the MOTM award - with all due respect to Rowlands I’m not sure he would of even made my nomination list...
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The pitch at AJ needs addressing.
Council owned and it played like it.
Looked like the Melbourne turf before Jones was put out of cricket for so long.
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I must confess that I was only hoping for a losing bonus point, I don't think I have been this happy about being so completely wrong before.
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Most impressed by JTA. My MoM by a country mile.
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I hope Kibirige is ok. Looked really nasty and really hope it's not serious.
JTA agreed is MOTM, unbelievable work rate. Tom West was also very good!
Atkinson's try was classy and he's hinted at that dummy a few times, finally pays off.
Sopoaga was quietly reliable. Great work kicking points and management.
Porter wasn't as good as Robson, but that's understandable.
We're starting to get plagued by injuries though. It's very concerning.
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When was our last win away at Sale?
Won there September 2018 but that was first time with Dai in charge ( I think).
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https://twitter.com/d_jrobson/status/1343250102719279105?s=20
Brilliant news.
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When was our last win away at Sale?
Won there September 2018 but that was first time with Dai in charge ( I think).
Thanks, knew we had a terrible record but had forgotten about the 2018 win.
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Sopoaga was quietly reliable. Great work kicking points and management.
While Zach was being attended to, I noticed Lima going to the side of the pitch and 'cycling' to keep his muscles loose. That's experience for you.
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https://twitter.com/d_jrobson/status/1343250102719279105?s=20
Brilliant news.
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Just beat me to it :)
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https://twitter.com/d_jrobson/status/1343250102719279105?s=20
Brilliant news.
This is one of the happiest photos I've seen for a very long time :) :) :) :)
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Sopoaga was quietly reliable. Great work kicking points and management.
While Zach was being attended to, I noticed Lima going to the side of the pitch and 'cycling' to keep his muscles loose. That's experience for you.
I saw that too! He was also having a quick talk with Gleeson, no doubt talking little tactics.
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Delighted with the win. I don't know what more JTA could have done to get Man of the Match today. Maybe he should have gone and made the commentators a cup of tea during the injury break. Atkinson looks more and more like a young Alex King every time I see him play, and that turnover by Alfie was something special, although fill credit to Cruse to get up and get on his shoulder to finish it off.
Sadly the injuries to Zach and Alfie felt inevitable given how CMK and Tempest neglected their duty of care towards player safety in the first half. With Alfie's injury, Luke James went straight round the side to tackle him and when you tackler a player in that fashion behind them it would be sheer luck that avoids a serious injury. With Zach, I've always been under the impression that you aren't allowed to a) dive on a player on the ground or b) tackle a player without the ball. Yarde chose to dive on him and knocked him out in the process. Quite how that isn't a red card I genuinely don't understand.
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The picture has been turned on it’s side ,that’s all
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https://twitter.com/d_jrobson/status/1343250102719279105?s=20
Brilliant news.
This is one of the happiest photos I've seen for a very long time :) :) :) :)
“Where’s Odogwu?” ;D
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Pleased with the result. Well fought for. Second half energy levels were several notches up from the first.
JTA was my MOTM as well. Lima has gained in confidence and his 6/6 today will given him even more.
Very pleased to see Zak walking and smiling. Guess he will be out for a week or two as he was out cold. Alfie’s injury was cruel. Depending on the severity he could be out for months. Charlie is really showing great promise.
Hopefully with Joe, Jacob, Jack, Matteo and a few others available for selection next week, we can give Exeter a decent game.
CML enough said.
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Great news about Zach - and it was a fantastic result. But losing Alfie won't be easy and we're going to have to pull together. Which is what these recent results have shown - we can pull together and get results - just like last season
The game showed our belief in ourselves is looking a bit more polished and the level of "cheek" we were showing, even when facing another reffing performance that I wouldn't want on my cv......was good to see, JTA especially!
Injuries - the pitch was a factor in both, and you could see how poor it was when Bassett got caught you could see sand and bits flying up as he tried to get traction to accelerate. Zach's feet were at least partly lost by a lack of traction and Alfie was caught in the surface - and as noted above, he ought not to have been tackled like that.
Sale pushed to the limit and beyond and the ref was allowing too much chaos at the breakdown and bottled doing anything about Faff's foot in the air. You owe at least a duty of care to your fellow players.....and the penalties given for "tackling player without the ball" were like a ref looking to give penalties against us. If I pull out of the tackle and get run into, how is that a penalty? Especially if the opposition is running what are near like "blockers" in the centres. Ditto offside. A joke. We were penalised for one that cost 3 points - Sale were metres offside at the end and nothing said (and the whole game was blighted by lack of space, often linked to offside)
Rugby is under scrutiny for safety - reffing like that won't make it any easier to show that injuries - of all sorts - are seen as a real issue.
Really pleased with the win and the attitude. V pleased Zach is up and ok.
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BBC News just shown a still photo of Yarde diving on top of Zac with the ball well gone.
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BBC News just shown a still photo of Yarde diving on top of Zac with the ball well gone.
I saw that but can't find it on line. Seeing that I wonder if a citing will follow and hopefully one for De Klerk's reckless footup jump
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I just watched the incident on BT Sport and Yarde does look to dive onto Zach instead of giving up the chase, I think that will be looked at, as will De Klerk's high boot. TBH, there wasn't much between the two sides. We were less profligate than Sale and Steve Diamond's departure seems to have upset the camp. Big positives for me JTA (agree on MoM, and i was surprised when Rowlands got it), Charlie what a back up for Jacob and Lima (notwithstanding the stepping in) but his kicking and all round play was much improved. Sale with all of their Saffa firepower always looked second best.
Barbeary's ankle is a worry but we are well covered in the back row, so not overly worried, depends on the injury of course.
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BBC News just shown a still photo of Yarde diving on top of Zac with the ball well gone.
I saw that but can't find it on line. Seeing that I wonder if a citing will follow and hopefully one for De Klerk's reckless footup jump
Even if De Klerk doesn't get cited the authorities need to have a long hard look at what's happening in that space because its becoming more common for defenders to jump with one leg up and studs showing.
Furthermore, they're sometimes not jumping upwards but more like a long jump so they are going forwards at quite a rate and even if they wanted to chasers can't get out of the way and then get pinged for contact with player in the air.
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Apparently de Klerk didn't see Will Porter. Not sure I agree with that...
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I was watching on TV live and saw the replays and I don't think Yarde did anything wrong. Kibirige dived for the ball without contact from Yarde, and Yarde went over the top (not surprising given you're going at full pelt and a player in front of you suddenly hits the deck). Guess I need to see more replays to be certain but I don't think we should be demonising Yarde here. Glad Kibirige is OK.
Sale were much more physical than us, especially after Barbeary went off. But their lack of creativity cost them I feel. We on the other hand hand enough magic (Atkinson, Barbeary) to find the space for a couple of tries and good work by players like Young meant we won penalties in kickable positions. Thought Odogwu keeps growing into the 13 position and did well there. Sops was good aside from stepping in to hit MLB's man and leave space for Yarde to score. Agree that JTA was huge, seeing him constantly offer himself in the last few minutes to carry having played the entire game at prop was amazing.
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From that angle, Bruce Lee would be pleased with that. Seriously, he does seem to be looking directly at Will.
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I was watching on TV live and saw the replays and I don't think Yarde did anything wrong. Kibirige dived for the ball without contact from Yarde, and Yarde went over the top (not surprising given you're going at full pelt and a player in front of you suddenly hits the deck). Guess I need to see more replays to be certain but I don't think we should be demonising Yarde here. Glad Kibirige is OK.
Agree I don’t see Yarde’s action as malicious. He was committed to what would of been a try saving tackle and travelling at speed. You could hear Tempest say he wouldn’t air the in goal angle replay because of the nature of the injury but that he did review it and that he deemed there was no obvious foul play.
BBC News just shown a still photo of Yarde diving on top of Zac with the ball well gone.
I saw that but can't find it on line. Seeing that I wonder if a citing will follow and hopefully one for De Klerk's reckless footup jump
Even if De Klerk doesn't get cited the authorities need to have a long hard look at what's happening in that space because its becoming more common for defenders to jump with one leg up and studs showing.
Furthermore, they're sometimes not jumping upwards but more like a long jump so they are going forwards at quite a rate and even if they wanted to chasers can't get out of the way and then get pinged for contact with player in the air.
I’ve replayed the clip and in my mind there is no doubt he should of been carded. Even if he hadn’t seen Atkinson (which is unlikely because humans have peripheral vision), raising the leg to that extent when you know full well that the opposition will be about to rumble you is clearly an intentional and aggressive action that is designed to illegally fend off a tackle and possibly cause serious injury.
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It's worth reading Paolo's disciplinary judgement from last season, specifically:
Findings of Fact
The panel did not accept that the Player's action in raising his left leg, with studs directed towards the oncoming players, was anything other than intentional. The panel found that the leg had been raised to deliberately fend off potential oncoming players. With that said, the panel did NOT find that Mr Odogwu had deliberately raised his leg so as to specifically kick out and into the face of the Sale No 12.
This was an extremely serious and dangerous incident of foul play. Whilst the panel freely concede that in the current game players are vulnerable when they jump to catch a high kick; this vulnerability cannot, in our opinion, justify preventative measures such as raising an outstretched leg to occur. To do so would simply allow one form of vulnerability to create another.
The panel found that Mr Odogwu deliberately raised his left leg with studs up so as, at the least, to deter an oncoming attacker. In so doing he ran the risk that his outstretched leg would culminate in a kick to the head or upper body of an oncoming player, as occurred here.
The Player's actions following the award of a red card were utterly unacceptable and not in the spirit of the game. Mr Odogwu laughed at the referee and continued for some time to mock the decision and provoke the home crowd who were, rightly, displeased by his conduct. The panel felt, pursuant to Regulation 19.11.8(m), that this was plainly a case where "any other features of the Players conduct in relation to or connected with the offending" justified an increase in terms of sanction. Whilst we felt that the kick alone justified a Top End entry point, the actions immediately following the imposition of the red card only served to re-inforce our view.
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Reasons for selecting entry point:
Any kick to the head is serious. By deliberately extending an outstretched leg with studs showing, in the knowledge there would be oncoming players, Mr Odogwu risked causing serious injury to his opponents. Whilst we did not find that he deliberately sought to kick the Sale No 12 in the face, he deliberately raised his studs knowing full well that that might be the consequence. Thankfully the injury sustained was not serious; had it been then we would have been considering a higher start point.
I cannot see how de Klerk can escape a ban.
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It's worth reading Paolo's disciplinary judgement from last season, specifically:
Findings of Fact
The panel did not accept that the Player's action in raising his left leg, with studs directed towards the oncoming players, was anything other than intentional. The panel found that the leg had been raised to deliberately fend off potential oncoming players. With that said, the panel did NOT find that Mr Odogwu had deliberately raised his leg so as to specifically kick out and into the face of the Sale No 12.
This was an extremely serious and dangerous incident of foul play. Whilst the panel freely concede that in the current game players are vulnerable when they jump to catch a high kick; this vulnerability cannot, in our opinion, justify preventative measures such as raising an outstretched leg to occur. To do so would simply allow one form of vulnerability to create another.
The panel found that Mr Odogwu deliberately raised his left leg with studs up so as, at the least, to deter an oncoming attacker. In so doing he ran the risk that his outstretched leg would culminate in a kick to the head or upper body of an oncoming player, as occurred here.
The Player's actions following the award of a red card were utterly unacceptable and not in the spirit of the game. Mr Odogwu laughed at the referee and continued for some time to mock the decision and provoke the home crowd who were, rightly, displeased by his conduct. The panel felt, pursuant to Regulation 19.11.8(m), that this was plainly a case where "any other features of the Players conduct in relation to or connected with the offending" justified an increase in terms of sanction. Whilst we felt that the kick alone justified a Top End entry point, the actions immediately following the imposition of the red card only served to re-inforce our view.
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Reasons for selecting entry point:
Any kick to the head is serious. By deliberately extending an outstretched leg with studs showing, in the knowledge there would be oncoming players, Mr Odogwu risked causing serious injury to his opponents. Whilst we did not find that he deliberately sought to kick the Sale No 12 in the face, he deliberately raised his studs knowing full well that that might be the consequence. Thankfully the injury sustained was not serious; had it been then we would have been considering a higher start point.
I cannot see how de Klerk can escape a ban.
Agreed, seems a word-for-word description of the same incident.
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The AJB pitch was awful. How much sand is underneath the surface? I always thought it was a 3G pitch but clearly not. Josh looked as though he was caught up in the quicksands of Morecombe Bay when he was caught going for a try he would have got 99/100.
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Problem is any ban (if it is cited) will only benefit other teams not us
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It's worth reading Paolo's disciplinary judgement from last season, specifically:
Findings of Fact
The panel did not accept that the Player's action in raising his left leg, with studs directed towards the oncoming players, was anything other than intentional. The panel found that the leg had been raised to deliberately fend off potential oncoming players. With that said, the panel did NOT find that Mr Odogwu had deliberately raised his leg so as to specifically kick out and into the face of the Sale No 12.
This was an extremely serious and dangerous incident of foul play. Whilst the panel freely concede that in the current game players are vulnerable when they jump to catch a high kick; this vulnerability cannot, in our opinion, justify preventative measures such as raising an outstretched leg to occur. To do so would simply allow one form of vulnerability to create another.
The panel found that Mr Odogwu deliberately raised his left leg with studs up so as, at the least, to deter an oncoming attacker. In so doing he ran the risk that his outstretched leg would culminate in a kick to the head or upper body of an oncoming player, as occurred here.
The Player's actions following the award of a red card were utterly unacceptable and not in the spirit of the game. Mr Odogwu laughed at the referee and continued for some time to mock the decision and provoke the home crowd who were, rightly, displeased by his conduct. The panel felt, pursuant to Regulation 19.11.8(m), that this was plainly a case where "any other features of the Players conduct in relation to or connected with the offending" justified an increase in terms of sanction. Whilst we felt that the kick alone justified a Top End entry point, the actions immediately following the imposition of the red card only served to re-inforce our view.
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Reasons for selecting entry point:
Any kick to the head is serious. By deliberately extending an outstretched leg with studs showing, in the knowledge there would be oncoming players, Mr Odogwu risked causing serious injury to his opponents. Whilst we did not find that he deliberately sought to kick the Sale No 12 in the face, he deliberately raised his studs knowing full well that that might be the consequence. Thankfully the injury sustained was not serious; had it been then we would have been considering a higher start point.
I cannot see how de Klerk can escape a ban.
Thanks for digging that out. Interesting reading. I guess the key difference is that Odogwu did actually make contact with the head whereas Faf's boot only appeared to catch Porter's shoulder. However, in terms of degree of intent and recklessness the 2 incidents are otherwise remarkably similar.
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Delighted with the win. I don't know what more JTA could have done to get Man of the Match today. Maybe he should have gone and made the commentators a cup of tea during the injury break. Atkinson looks more and more like a young Alex King every time I see him play, and that turnover by Alfie was something special, although fill credit to Cruse to get up and get on his shoulder to finish it off.
Sadly the injuries to Zach and Alfie felt inevitable given how CMK and Tempest neglected their duty of care towards player safety in the first half. With Alfie's injury, Luke James went straight round the side to tackle him and when you tackler a player in that fashion behind them it would be sheer luck that avoids a serious injury. With Zach, I've always been under the impression that you aren't allowed to a) dive on a player on the ground or b) tackle a player without the ball. Yarde chose to dive on him and knocked him out in the process. Quite how that isn't a red card I genuinely don't understand.
I happened in blink of an eye and how you have found fault is beyond me..unlucky rugby incident, nothing more.
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JTA hugely influential, full credit where it is due. I can see WR had a great game though- perhaps MOTM influenced by a lack of front rowers involved in the choice? Cruse was great too, and Robson was superb when he came on.
Lots of positives. I think we were better than Sale in attack, and always looked the more likely. Still trying to work out how Josh did not finish what looked like a certain try. Great defence at times.
I have yet to see a CMK officiated match that flows- whether that is him or not I don't know, but for me he seems to be trying to let it flow, but it mysteriously doesn't, because he keeps whistling.
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It's worth reading Paolo's disciplinary judgement from last season, specifically:
Findings of Fact
The panel did not accept that the Player's action in raising his left leg, with studs directed towards the oncoming players, was anything other than intentional. The panel found that the leg had been raised to deliberately fend off potential oncoming players. With that said, the panel did NOT find that Mr Odogwu had deliberately raised his leg so as to specifically kick out and into the face of the Sale No 12.
This was an extremely serious and dangerous incident of foul play. Whilst the panel freely concede that in the current game players are vulnerable when they jump to catch a high kick; this vulnerability cannot, in our opinion, justify preventative measures such as raising an outstretched leg to occur. To do so would simply allow one form of vulnerability to create another.
The panel found that Mr Odogwu deliberately raised his left leg with studs up so as, at the least, to deter an oncoming attacker. In so doing he ran the risk that his outstretched leg would culminate in a kick to the head or upper body of an oncoming player, as occurred here.
The Player's actions following the award of a red card were utterly unacceptable and not in the spirit of the game. Mr Odogwu laughed at the referee and continued for some time to mock the decision and provoke the home crowd who were, rightly, displeased by his conduct. The panel felt, pursuant to Regulation 19.11.8(m), that this was plainly a case where "any other features of the Players conduct in relation to or connected with the offending" justified an increase in terms of sanction. Whilst we felt that the kick alone justified a Top End entry point, the actions immediately following the imposition of the red card only served to re-inforce our view.
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Reasons for selecting entry point:
Any kick to the head is serious. By deliberately extending an outstretched leg with studs showing, in the knowledge there would be oncoming players, Mr Odogwu risked causing serious injury to his opponents. Whilst we did not find that he deliberately sought to kick the Sale No 12 in the face, he deliberately raised his studs knowing full well that that might be the consequence. Thankfully the injury sustained was not serious; had it been then we would have been considering a higher start point.
I cannot see how de Klerk can escape a ban.
Thanks for digging that out. Interesting reading. I guess the key difference is that Odogwu did actually make contact with the head whereas Faf's boot only appeared to catch Porter's shoulder. However, in terms of degree of intent and recklessness the 2 incidents are otherwise remarkably similar.
To me it looked more like throat/chest than shoulder, happy to be corrected.
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Well west wales I'm not going to correct you as I agree 100% with you. Chest and throat (and far too close to the latter). CMK is a really poor ref who I think is getting worse rather than learning and improving.
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Shoulder, neck and chin all hit.
Going back to Ellia Ellis's red card for Quins against us. Issue wasn't where Dobby landed, it was the action.
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The reason De Klerk didn't get carded is because he is De Klerk. His perceived impishness means he gets away with a hell of a lot. The Yarde incident was nothing in it for me. Just a high speed chase which doesn't lend itself to control.
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Problem is any ban (if it is cited) will only benefit other teams not us
Sale missing out on league points may well help us.
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Problem is any ban (if it is cited) will only benefit other teams not us
Sale missing out on league points may well help us.
It would of helped us more if we got 5 points today and Sale none as would of been likely if he got his deserved red card.
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An under the radar performance that stood out for me came from Ben Morris.
I'm not sure CMK can be blamed for the continual interference of the ARs and TMO who seemed to be looking for Wasps infringements but missed quite a few from Sale, particularly offside. The penalty they scored from our whole backline offside was extremely marginal. The Sale offside not given at the end was huge.
Can't see much difference between Odoguwu's last year and de Klerk's foot up. It is instinctive to defend yourself when vulnerable, which is what both did.
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or the oldies like whose memories are quite up to remembering something a year ago, here's Odogwu's red card, 3:40 mins in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJw__f_tZqM
I don't think they're quite the same, Odogwu does extend his leg after he caught the ball and it does look like he was aiming at the on coming player. I don't believe it was deliberate and it doesn't make De Klerk's any better.
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An under the radar performance that stood out for me came from Ben Morris.
I'm not sure CMK can be blamed for the continual interference of the ARs and TMO who seemed to be looking for Wasps infringements but missed quite a few from Sale, particularly offside. The penalty they scored from our whole backline offside was extremely marginal. The Sale offside not given at the end was huge.
Can't see much difference between Odoguwu's last year and de Klerk's foot up. It is instinctive to defend yourself when vulnerable, which is what both did.
The offside was from the lineout I believe, and we absolutely were offside by a decent amount unfortunately. The backs clearly thought it had come off the top, but Sale held onto it.
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It came from a breakdown and TV replay did a freeze. Commentator said can't see anything in that. Camera angle may have had an effect but very marginal.
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It came from a breakdown and TV replay did a freeze. Commentator said can't see anything in that. Camera angle may have had an effect but very marginal.
OK, not the one I was thinking of then.
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Telegraph Report:
Wasps record first league win since opening weekend of the season with gutsy performance against Sale
It was far from an assured display but Lee Blackett's men edge past a Sale side still looking for first victory under Paul Deacon
Sale Sharks 23 Wasps 26
This might not have been vintage Wasps, but goodness how they needed this. Lee Blackett’s side had not won a Premiership match since the season’s opening weekend, but 16 points from Lima Sopoaga’s boot laid the foundations for this gutsy, deserved victory.
There was concern, however, when Wasps’ No 8 Alfie Barbeary, who was once again mightily impressive, had to be helped from the field after a second-half injury. Blackett confirmed that the extent of the injury will not be known for “two to four days” but that the promising tyro “heard something go in his ankle”.
Otherwise, Wasps’ head coach was delighted with his team’s display: “I’m really pleased. What a lot of people will not know is that we went into this game after a lot of time off – seven days.
“We had one session coming into this game. I’m not sure I’d have admitted that if we’d have lost but it was a massive gamble. And the players paid us back.”
Nothing could encapsulate Paul Deacon’s start to life in charge of Sale better than the drive-in pantomime taking place across the road, titled Horrible Christmas. This, the final match of England’s top flight in the strangest of years, was Deacon’s third straight loss – he remains without a win since taking the reins – which he blamed on “unforced and uncharacteristic errors” from his side.
“The lads individually know they need to get better,” he said. “But, we need to work on the collective mindset. In the last three performances, for three halves we've been ok and for three halves we've been poor.
Until the opening try, which was delightfully exploited and swiftly finished by Sale wing Marland Yarde – who later bagged a second – the home side had been architects of their own downfall. Sale’s starting front row conceded nine penalties combined – several through breakdown laziness – while Yarde was penalised for the most cumbersome of high tackles on Paolo Odogwu. On another day, too, scrum-half Faf de Klerk might have been more sternly dealt with after a reckless high boot to his opposite number, Will Porter.
It was somewhat surprising, then, that with so much indiscipline, the score was only 3-3 until 10 minutes before the interval; AJ MacGinty and Sopoaga exchanging penalties for either side. Wasps had been the more successful and penetrative of the two teams with the ball in hand – mainly due to Sale’s over-reliance on a route-one approach – but nothing the visitors mustered came close to the blistering choreography that led to Yarde’s score.
De Klerk looped around Tom Curry on the blindside, but the flanker’s pass was misjudged and mistimed. As is so often the case with De Klerk, however, that did not matter. The whippet scrum-half darted to claim the wayward pass before it hit the ground, and linked with MacGinty. By the time the ball had gone through the hands of Sam James, Yarde had a clear dash for the line. Lima Sopoaga’s defensive nibble made Sale’s task easier, but one sensed that Yarde would have crossed even without the Kiwi’s lapse. Over the past two European weekends, however, these Wasps youngsters have shown that they can play and, in one ruthless eight-minute spell in the second half, they were at it again. Gifted fly-half Charlie Atkinson dummied and ghosted his way through to score under the sticks, with Sopoaga’s conversion equalling the scores.
After the visitors were caught dawdling offside, MacGinty restored Sale’s lead, but that would not last. Barbeary pinched the ball at the restart, blasted through three Sale defenders and a pillowy offload gave hooker Tom Cruse an unopposed jaunt to the line. Sopoaga converted, added another three points thanks to a Sale ruck infringement, and Wasps had a seven-point lead to defend – without Barbeary.
Even after MacGinty and Sopoaga traded penalties, Wasps had two length-of-the-field chances that would have put the game to bed. Dan Robson set Josh Bassett clear after a ruthless counter but Sam James hauled the wing down metres short and Curry won a questionable turnover. Then Zach Kibirige hacked downfield, but he could not control the ball metres from the line. The Wasps wing received an accidental thump from Yarde for his troubles, too, and had to be stretchered off after a lengthy delay. Blackett confirmed after the match that Kibirige was conscious and talking in the dressing room.
One final Sale indiscretion – their 11th of the evening – gave Wasps three more points. Yarde’s late, second try – from another silken move – ensured a nervy ending, but the visitors held on to resign Sale to the unhappiest of New Years.
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I find Tempest is a better ref than TMO. Keeps battering on about an incident when it's done and dusted. Very rare to see a TH go 80 nowadays so credit to JTA for that - but a bit worrying we're down to one TH.
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Judging by the way that Jeff was so obviously enjoying the game I very much doubt that anyone could have got him off the field before the final kick was kicked.
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I think that Neil Fowkes may have had more that a little input to Jeff's transformation in scrummaging. His round the field attributes were already there. He is now one of the best all round performers. His enthusiasm is infectious.
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Indeed it is. I think he and Fekitoa add a lot around the squad and have contributed greatly off the pitch as well as on it.
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I am actually quite p*ssed off that JTA didn't get MoM. Rowlands just had his usual steady game (IMO). Immediately after the game ended, all the team seemed to be congratulating JTA and I assumed he had got it. A very popular player and really seems to be enjoying his rugby..
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I would have given it to JTA, but thought Rowlands was a standout player.
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See that JTA , Rowlands and Lima were all in Sky’s team of the week
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See that JTA , Rowlands and Lima were all in Sky’s team of the week
Telegraph apparently had our whole front row, Lima and Alfie.
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I managed to watch the game last night. Sale have a massive pack and the pitch didn't really help in terms of the front rows getting their feet set.
Was it this time last year that JTA had a wake up call in the Challenge cup. He was either long-legged and falling flat on his face or being turned inside out in the scrum.
Aside from the scrum he looked unfit and running on fumes.
12 months later and he put in an 80 min shift (when was the last time a TH did the full 80.. not just for Wasps.. but any club) on a heavy old school pitch.
Not only that.. he didn't go backwards in the scrums.. he was a nuisance in the rucks and around the pitch.
His enthusiasm is genuine and infectious.
MOM for me.
Sale's pitch didn't look the best but trying to maintain it during winter is a thankless task. That being said.. I prefer their pitch to a fully plastic one
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Sale's pitch didn't look the best but trying to maintain it during winter is a thankless task. That being said.. I prefer their pitch to a fully plastic one
I think it’s used by 2 other clubs ,one rugby league, and their women’s team as well