Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: Raggs on January 25, 2020, 03:04:52 PM
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Tmo call could have gone either way, could have been a try, but can't complain at it not being given either.
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Harsh pen against McIntyre in the scrum I feel, would have just reset that.
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Clear tap down by Young there, lucky to get a knock on only..got bossed in the rolling maul there.
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Think Minozzi left his gloves in Italy..scrappy start, poor rugby on display here.
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is anyone successfully or unsuccessfully using NBC Sports Gold?
I can't get it to play
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I am perfectly...whats your issue?
3-0 down.
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Using a less than legal link. Good work, very good speed from Robson to get us on the front foot repeatedly.
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Gops in, very laboured play to get there. Good to see him lambasting the team in a hudle, real leadership.
Extra's missed, 3-5
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I am perfectly...whats your issue?
3-0 down.
the player just says "initializing".
2 different laptops, and on Chrome, Chromium Edge and IE11 browsers.
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Is your VPN working ok..doesnt sound like it to me...maybe change US server?
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6-5 worcs. Been a poor game
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Do we knock the ball on more than any other team?
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Surely a forward pass for that 30 meter break, now under pressure 5 meters out.
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48 mins and counting...
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and on the 49th they score, 13-5..penalty after penalty under pressure until they score under the posts.
Awful game, truly, so bad I am doing my online shopping.
I'm not sure the team can string a sentence together let alone a phase of play. After last nights game now this, if this is an example of a closed league then no thanks. The product on display should be ashamed of itself.
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I've got the rugby on my laptop, football on my desktop PC and the cricket on my phone.
Who says that men can't multi-task?
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Reduce your carbon footprint and do yourself a fav...turn your laptop off :-[
Side note, Launch out of France match with kneee issue
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Surely a forward pass for that 30 meter break, now under pressure 5 meters out.
I thought it was a fairly obvious forward pass. Surprised it wasn't called.
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Are we coached not to 'try' something when we have a penalty advantage? We just keep playing like its game on..this is basic play, what's going on?
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I agree, I'm surprised we try only the 3 points. We terribly lack of power, both to break their line and to tackle. We always need 2 or 3 players to tackle. This is a shame, because we also have som good movements to the wings and a nice play in the rucks. We can do something in this game!
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When is a penalty advantage not and advantage, when its our!
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We should say to the squad that marking a try is allowed and quite expected in order to win the game. That's nice to conclude 2 movement with 3 points, but this is not how to win a match.
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Its taken all season but at last someone has some vision and decided to create something..Gops realises there is no space, beautiful weight chi p through, Kiberige score. 16-16, Searle misses extra's again
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I'm afraid we will regret all those kicks rather trying to go behind their line. There is a big big big opportunity to win the game despite our style is poor: 1 pass, ruck, 1 pass, ruck, 1 pass ruck...
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Searle charge down puts us under pressure to secure ball, penalty and 3 to Worc.
Poor play, a dwarf could have charged that down. Minozzi off, Miller on, Im not dissapointed by the change
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Big carry by Alo, on for Brookes, like a baby elephant. Recycle ball, Willis in with powerful 5 meteres
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Its unbelievable not to have made the break with so many opportunities.
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And we just hand it back, great hands by Lawrence but Searle was a literal turnstile.
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Nice try! This is far better when we try to accelerate and to do something else than crashing into their line. Please another try to secure this one!
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Wow..what a bit of play by Kibrige, pace, vision, composure...more of that please.
BP but only 26-30, anyones game.
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Great try,. Great run by Kibirige
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Searle off, mullet on, Gops to 10
Should have happened ages ago, not a great game for Searle although it might have been his long pass to Kibs which if so deserves credit.
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First touch, easy catch and mullett knocks it on..won't appease his dis-tractors..
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I think we should be named the 'Knock ons'
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First touch, easy catch and mullett knocks it on..won't appease his dis-tractors..
It looked like he had to jump to catch it?
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Not really rags, maybe an inch.
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UNBELIEVABLE ..Robson is a fcking idiot.
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We really had the chance to play Worcester. Good things were done, but damn! So many waste.
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That was extraordinary by Robson.
We are bloody lucky to get the win after that.
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Willis you absolute madlad.... Was that a legal turnover!?
Don't care I'll take that
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Willis saves us with the turn over 3 meters out, was just about legal but have seen them not given. . That last bit of play opitimises Robson for me, he has no rugby IQ and if he was on the open market i wouldnt touch him with someone elses...could easily have lost us the game there..knob.
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All we had to do was keep the ball for the last minute and close the game out and yet again we do everything in our power to mess our lead up!
Thankfully Jack Willis got us out of jail and we were very fortunate.
Lots of injuries at Worcester but an away win is always good news, especially after our performance last week
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Well, we did everything possible to lose that. And still won. Some really poor performances there. Again.
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Bit of a rest break for a few weeks. Some of those guys need to take a LONG hard look in the mirror.
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Everything else aside, we just won a game in the last few minutes, and walked away with 5 points away from home.
I'll take it.
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It's a bonus point win. Really pleased with that. We actually bossed the game but again had some real brain fart moments that threatened to cost us. Big difference now is that that is three consecutive league games where we've got the try bonus point. Our attack is clicking much better now. We've got to make better decisions and cut out the mistakes (especially knock ons) but we've definitely turned a corner. Not sure what sort of deal Willis is on but someone needs to sit him down and offer him lots and lots of cash.
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Yep me too. Good 5 points.
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Well, we did everything possible to lose that. And still won. Some really poor performances there. Again.
Who was good and who was poor?
what's your view of the team performance
(having to watch it on repeat)
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Apart from the try [!!!] Robson looked off the pace in the last 20 mins and I was surprised he wasn't replaced.
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Everything else aside, we just won a game in the last few minutes, and walked away with 5 points away from home.
I'll take it.
Damn right. So will I. Now up to 8th.
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Great win, better second half for sure. Ogre looked dynamic beyond his size. Gops / JDJ both played well, Gops very good. Kibriges break and pass to Robson was brilliant. Very turgid game that no one really stood out, no one really had a stinker either..just poor all round. Robson in the last 2 min..who knows.
Worc are a very abrasive team, especially at home.
We made hard work of that tho. Result great, performance not good, Worc created very little and the forwards is what kept them in it. I'd go as far as to say had Willis not been playing, we'd have lost that game.
Today was an example as to why I am not sad for Searle to be moving on.
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Well, we did everything possible to lose that. And still won. Some really poor performances there. Again.
Who was good and who was poor?
what's your view of the team performance
(having to watch it on repeat)
For me, both Willis and Young lost the ball in contact a lot. Robson, Searle and de Jongh had so so games. Le Bourgeois came on late but was far from stellar.
Kibirige, Jimmy and Josh had good games, as did our front five (and their replacements). Carr was his usual busy self.
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Does anyone know if there was a MoM? I would have been more than happy to see Zach get it.
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A wins and win and it’s nice to get a bonus point win.
Sounds like Billy is what I thought, just not good enough and still surprised we went for him in the first place.
I’d take winning and not looking good for the time being as I believe we are about 3 players short of a decent team.
How did Minozzi play, hopefully a bit better.
Tigers just drifting at the bottom, have mixed feelings that they’re safe, as it would be fun to see them go down. Then I think how much I hate Sarries
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Well, we did everything possible to lose that. And still won. Some really poor performances there. Again.
Who was good and who was poor?
what's your view of the team performance
(having to watch it on repeat)
For me, both Willis and Young lost the ball in contact a lot. Robson, Searle and de Jongh had so so games. Le Bourgeois came on late but was far from stellar.
Kibirige, Jimmy and Josh had good games, as did our front five (and their replacements). Carr was his usual busy self.
Thank you
Mike
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Happy, very happy to take the five points!
To think where we would be in the table if we had not let the Irish, Quins and Saints games slip out of our clutches!!!
Margins are tighter than ever in the GP this year.
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I was just watching BBC News 24 Sports Report, and the blond Scottish lady announced that we beat Northampton today. Quality reporting.
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I was just watching BBC News 24 Sports Report, and the blond Scottish lady announced that we beat Northampton today. Quality reporting.
Classic BBC!!!
How is your recovery progressing Trevor?
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We got a bonus point win away from home scoring 4 tries to 2 against a team above us in the league and judging by some of the posters on this thread we got dicked at home by a Championship team. Unbelievable, I was there and yes we've played better but we was a long way from poor and we deserved this win.
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Reality check Coddy, nearly everyone is above us and as far as i can see everyone is pleased with the result but lets not kid ourselves that that was a performance to get behind, being not as bad as your opposition is nothing to applaud. Also consider how many 1st teamers Worc had out.
Again, great result but lucky we were playing a weakened Worcs.
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Reality check Coddy, nearly everyone is above us and as far as i can see everyone is pleased with the result but lets not kid ourselves that that was a performance to get behind, being not as bad as your opposition is nothing to applaud. Also consider how many 1st teamers Worc had out.
Again, great result but lucky we were playing a weakened Worcs.
Wasps weren't exactly full strength either.
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Surely being not as bad as your opposition is the very essence of sport. If you can achieve that consistently you won't go far wrong. Rewind a month or two and there were plenty wondering where our next win would come from. We've taken 12 points from the last three games with names like West, Oghre, Willis, Umaga, Flament, Owlett and Wolstenholme playing their part. What's not to like?
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I am happy to win ugly, the fact we ground out a win and didn't blow it at the end has made my weekend #COYW
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Hey all. The response here seems pretty mixed.
Thought I would ask the following to see if our stats guys have any input. Not sure if it should be a separate thread.
Do we, post the start of 2018, play better away from home, especially when expectation is lower? We seem to win more of those squeaky bum games away, and blow them at home. Am I wrong?
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Back from Worcester and very happy with the win. It did feel like we did our best to lose it at times.
I'm not sure what's going on with Dobby at the moment. I watched the game with a former Worcester Women's scrum half and at one point she asked me how much of my life I've wasted waiting for him to box kick. One thing I noticed was after Jack's try, as Searle was lining up the conversion, the team were all in a huddle minus Billy, obviously, and Dobby, who off doing his own thing. Young seemed to be the player the ref spoke to, but it appeared to me to be Jimmy who was actually leading the team.
I thought Searle had a decent game, not his best, but given how stop start his season has been, the lack of game time hasn't helped.
The pack went well. Kibirige had his best game for us in my view.
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The point is there, despite we did everything to lose the match, we won. Seriously, the 5 points are really nice.
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Surely being not as bad as your opposition is the very essence of sport.
No, thats being better, they are not the same thing.
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I was just watching BBC News 24 Sports Report, and the blond Scottish lady announced that we beat Northampton today. Quality reporting.
Classic BBC!!!
How is your recovery progressing Trevor?
My walks are now up to 2km, and the aches and pains are going. My body's reaction to the meds has now settled down. The new diet regime is brutal on my 'addiction' to chocolate, sweets, cakes, ice cream and beer (I was over 20 stone before the heart attack), but the cravings are now fading. And so is my body. Weighed in this morning at spot on 18 stone. Just 3 weeks after the heart attack! 17 stone here I come. Target is 13-14 stone. First hospital rehab appointment on Wednesday. Providing that goes OK (going on the treadmill measuring thingy), I should be allowed to drive again after the weekend.
It is amazing how I view life differently now. I have a second chance. Not many people get that chance.
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I was just watching BBC News 24 Sports Report, and the blond Scottish lady announced that we beat Northampton today. Quality reporting.
Classic BBC!!!
How is your recovery progressing Trevor?
My walks are now up to 2km, and the aches and pains are going. My body's reaction to the meds has now settled down. The new diet regime is brutal on my 'addiction' to chocolate, sweets, cakes, ice cream and beer (I was over 20 stone before the heart attack), but the cravings are now fading. And so is my body. Weighed in this morning at spot on 18 stone. Just 3 weeks after the heart attack! 17 stone here I come. Target is 13-14 stone. First hospital rehab appointment on Wednesday. Providing that goes OK (going on the treadmill measuring thingy), I should be allowed to drive again after the weekend.
It is amazing how I view life differently now. I have a second chance. Not many people get that chance.
Great stuff Trevor. look forward to seeing back at the matches in due course.
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I should be back for the cheats game, late on Friday night.
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Just watched the highlights of the match. Jack's appetite for work is unbelievable.
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Just watched the highlights of the match. Jack's appetite for work is unbelievable.
Really baffled (but kind of glad) that he didn’t get into the England squad. By far the best jackal in the league, carries better than the Curry’s and Underhill, and looks like a leader even with his relative inexperience. I’d give him a lifetime contract now if I could, and make him captain for the duration.
Think he’s had a little bit of time at 8 and with Billy being injured again, I feel like he could’ve been a real asset to a squad that lacks ball carriers in the back row.
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Stuff England he is a good player for Wasps and we need him.
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Surely being not as bad as your opposition is the very essence of sport.
No, thats being better, they are not the same thing.
I think you'll find they are. Anyway, we were both not as bad as and better than Wuss and it's another five points.
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Just watched the highlights of the match. Jack's appetite for work is unbelievable.
Really baffled (but kind of glad) that he didn’t get into the England squad. By far the best jackal in the league, carries better than the Curry’s and Underhill, and looks like a leader even with his relative inexperience. I’d give him a lifetime contract now if I could, and make him captain for the duration.
Think he’s had a little bit of time at 8 and with Billy being injured again, I feel like he could’ve been a real asset to a squad that lacks ball carriers in the back row.
Whoa lets not get carried away! Xillis work rate is fantastic, his crucial turnivers are brilliant. He is a fantastic talent to have on our squad. Hr still has much to learn. He was stripped of the ball in one carry and lost the ball in contact on more than one occasion. Leaders need yo earn or build respect from rheir team mates and i am not sure he has dine rhat yet. Umaga type hunility is whar he may need. His rumoured throwing weight around in training isn't.
I am sure in time he will get the England call. For now lets be thankful that we have him.
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His rumoured throwing weight around in training isn't.
First I've heard. Tell me more...
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I'd like to hear more too.
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Still not firing on all cylinders, but a win is a win for me, especially considering how this season started. A five pointer is even better.
Early in the second half we had the ball moving out toward the left wing and a three on one overlap, but De Jongh takes it into contact… these are the things we’ve got to sort out. A couple of seasons ago it was second nature to capitalise on those opportunities, now we seem to be trying to make hard work of it.
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Whoa lets not get carried away! Xillis work rate is fantastic, his crucial turnivers are brilliant. He is a fantastic talent to have on our squad. Hr still has much to learn. He was stripped of the ball in one carry and lost the ball in contact on more than one occasion. Leaders need yo earn or build respect from rheir team mates and i am not sure he has dine rhat yet. Umaga type hunility is whar he may need. His rumoured throwing weight around in training isn't.
I am sure in time he will get the England call. For now lets be thankful that we have him.
Is this a very weak substitution cipher, or are you typing in the dark? ???
Also keen to hear the details of this rumour. I doubt there's a more well respected player in the club than Willis.
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Depends what one means by throwing weight around - if things are wrong and higher standards are needed throwing one’s weight around is the right thing to do. I am certain that LBND, Martin Johnson, Josh Lewsey and others threw their weight around when needed.
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He's certainly setting the standard on the pitch week in, week out. He's earned the right to be loud in training.
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I have it on good authority that the atmosphere in the squad is massively improved this season as all the Divas have gone.
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Yes, that's evident on the pitch as well in celebrations etc. This looks like a much more cohesive and bought in group. Willis always strikes me as someone who is 100% all the time, training or in real games. I imagine that's what this might boil down to. It's certainly not affecting morale though.
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A good side is made up of all different types of players & personalities. Whilst I'm happy that being humble works for Jacob, I'm equally aware that some other players who have worn the 10 shirt at wasps would NEVER be described as humble! (mentioning no names)
Personally I think wasps has enough nice guys, we need some fighters & a bit of arrogance & attitude doesn't go amiss in the right place & at the right time.
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Slight change of direction - the Kilbridge/Robson try is shortlisted for try of the round.
It hurts to say so, but I preferred Danny Care's one for Quins
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Willis saves us with the turn over 3 meters out, was just about legal but have seen them not given. . That last bit of play opitimises Robson for me, he has no rugby IQ and if he was on the open market i wouldnt touch him with someone elses...could easily have lost us the game there..knob.
Willis you absolute madlad.... Was that a legal turnover!?
Don't care I'll take that
Just to point out that the final pen wasn't actually Willis winning the turnover (though his actions are what lead to Wuss being penalised), it was for Wuss going straight off their feet in the ruck. They'd just been warned about it, and with Willis going over the player who'd gone straight off, and getting on the ball, it clearly demonstrated that he'd been denied a legitimate chance to get on the ball. Far less of a 50/50 call than I'd originally thought.
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Games online now.
Not really rags, maybe an inch.
Just checked this (easy enough to do since he came on so late and it was his first interaction). It was high from Gopps, MLB had the choice of either trying to take it at head height, with the defence on him (and in his ribs), or jump to try and take it into his chest. He shouldn't have knocked it on, but it was a long was from a perfect pass in the first place.
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I have it on good authority that the atmosphere in the squad is massively improved this season as all the Divas have gone.
I've thought this too. Even though the team's performances have sometimes been lacking, there's been a far greater sense of "togetherness", at least to me as a spectator.
As for Willis, I think it's clear from my perspective as a spectator that is energy, desire and passion on the pitch is lifting people around him. If that means he acts like a Billy Big Bollocks in training it's a price I'm willing to pay for his performances on the pitch.
Also, did you guys see Alo's reaction to the win on Saturday? Brilliant to see. Real, unbridled passion.
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Still not firing on all cylinders, but a win is a win for me, especially considering how this season started. A five pointer is even better.
Early in the second half we had the ball moving out toward the left wing and a three on one overlap, but De Jongh takes it into contact… these are the things we’ve got to sort out. A couple of seasons ago it was second nature to capitalise on those opportunities, now we seem to be trying to make hard work of it.
You're spot on, but I put this down do JdeJ's lack of gametime recently and therefore not having the match sharpness to spot those opportunities, process them, and then make the decision to pass. Sometimes it's easier just to take the safe option of contact and recycle. The game is played at such speed the decision making time is tiny
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Also, did you guys see Alo's reaction to the win on Saturday? Brilliant to see. Real, unbridled passion.
He is rapidly becoming a favourite of mine. He could well be the latest gem we've managed to unearth. He's a much better player than we all assumed he would be, and he obviously really cares. #onceawasp
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Still not firing on all cylinders, but a win is a win for me, especially considering how this season started. A five pointer is even better.
Early in the second half we had the ball moving out toward the left wing and a three on one overlap, but De Jongh takes it into contact… these are the things we’ve got to sort out. A couple of seasons ago it was second nature to capitalise on those opportunities, now we seem to be trying to make hard work of it.
You're spot on, but I put this down do JdeJ's lack of gametime recently and therefore not having the match sharpness to spot those opportunities, process them, and then make the decision to pass. Sometimes it's easier just to take the safe option of contact and recycle. The game is played at such speed the decision making time is tiny
It's also a matter of execution, you may have spotted the opportunity, but opted against it as too risky for a poor pass or catch. Better to simply take a front foot ruck and go again. Same thing we've been complaining about for seasons, when we push too hard and don't simply take the gain.
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For me the JDJ pass that never came was a good decision as the covering defender would of at best smashed the receiver of the pass man and ball or at worse intercepted.
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I have it on good authority that the atmosphere in the squad is massively improved this season as all the Divas have gone.
I think this is reflected in the two recent tight away wins at Bristol and Worcester and the team's reaction to them.
Shame it wasn't quite enough in the similarly tight home games against Irish, Quins and Saints where we ended up on the wrong end. How different the table would now look if only...
Maybe the team need to go back to getting a bus to the Ricoh again? ;D
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Maybe the team need to go back to getting a bus to the Ricoh again? ;D
It's actually not a bad idea. It must lift the spirits a little to have to walk in through a crowd of fans cheering for you before you even start. The Ricoh is an amazing venue, but I bet it can feel a little tough to be playing there when things are't going your way. Any advantage we can get from it we should!
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Having now watched the whole game on repeat - its a hard game to judge. We won, at least in part, due to some individual brilliance - and brilliant it was too. What would worry me is that with possession, and with Searle on the pitch, our half backs and Jimmy didn't look able to often make ground or space. We had a lot of possession, and too often, more in the first half, we tended to go sideways or backwards with little evidence of structure. Second half was at times better - but not a lot.
Forwards, scrum was decent. Ref was random at scrum time, but it settled. Our lineout was average at best. Good at the breakdown and it was good to see Brookes and others being brought into play a bit more. Forwards created a lot of possession, but we seemed too often unable to make the most of it and were too often slow from 9.
Box and kicking from the 22 seemed unplanned. Our kick chase seemed to provide too much to do to contest. The kicks from the 22 were too often aimless. We failed too often to bring the back three into the game with ball in hand. I was never convinced that when the ball came to the back three, there was a plan to go forwards/kick/kick to touch.
Probably one of those games that could have gone either way. It was very nice that it went our way - but we have a lot to work on if we are to look like a team playing to a plan for more of the 80 mins. Can't criticise the commitment or enthusiasm nor the pure joy at the win, but I hope in the cold light of day, we've seen that as a step forwards, but an incremental one rather than a stride.