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General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: Raggs on February 12, 2020, 08:10:44 PM

Title: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: Raggs on February 12, 2020, 08:10:44 PM
Tweets from Masi saying he's failed one of the tests he needs to pass to get permission to remain in the UK. Some of the questions are daftly hard, and some ridiculously easy, if you get a bad test, you're in trouble.

I have to assume he's doing it with plenty of time, and has opportunities to do it again.
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on February 12, 2020, 08:14:11 PM
I think he is applying for citizenship. None of us would pass that test. It is a test to prove you can pass a test. You need to cram, as there a limited number of questions it throws at you, sort of like the new driving theory test (which most of you with licences would fail). It is an utter nonsense, but there it is.
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: Raggs on February 12, 2020, 08:15:51 PM
I think he is applying for citizenship. None of us would pass that test. It is a test to prove you can pass a test. You need to cram, as there a limited number of questions it throws at you, sort of like the new driving theory test (which most of you with licences would fail). It is an utter nonsense, but there it is.

He says application to remain in the UK (rather than citizen). I'm not sure if my wife had to do that one, though she did one similar, along with other tests.
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: DGP Wasp on February 12, 2020, 08:38:46 PM
He's an EU national so right to remain should be a given despite Brexit. He's been living here a long time and is employed. No test required. Citizenship seems more likely.
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: WaspsUpNorth on February 12, 2020, 09:26:16 PM
Gave it a go - got 13 out of 24 despite being born & bred here, with a degree & a load of letters after my name!  Utterly ridiculous.
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: Wiltshire Wasp on February 12, 2020, 09:50:42 PM
18/24 no degree or letters - but still ridiculous!
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: Vespula Vulgaris on February 12, 2020, 10:02:51 PM
I did this one.

https://lifeintheuktestweb.co.uk/british-citizenship-test-6/

21 out of 24, but I'm a history nerd.
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: Rossm on February 12, 2020, 11:45:44 PM
I did this one.

https://lifeintheuktestweb.co.uk/british-citizenship-test-6/

21 out of 24, but I'm a history nerd.

19/24. Enough to pass. Took me 5 minutes 40 seconds.  I note that you have 45 minutes to complete the test. Presumably this means you can therefore look up the answers?

Some questions are absurdly simple general knowledge and some are really quite complicated. If I'd taken the trouble to do a bit of online searching then I expect I would have got them all correct. And frankly some of them I consider to be totally unnecessary to be a British citizen.
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: BG on February 13, 2020, 08:57:34 AM
I took the example online tests a couple of years ago when my (then) Pakistani anglo-phile neighbour applied. I swear he appeared more British than me.. choccy labrador.. played cricket for a local club and JLR, a massive Liverpool FC fan and despite being muslim liked a beer. I even saw him at the Ricoh a couple of times.

He said some of the questions were bizarre and that most UK people wouldn't know the history ones. I took them back when he was applying and I did notice the difficult questions (subjects) did re-appear (albeit worded slightly differently).
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: wycombewasp on February 13, 2020, 08:58:06 AM
20 out of 24 left school at 15, as others have said some stupid and a few tricky ones, I doubt our grand children would pass,
I will test them tonight and have them removed from the country if they fail.
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: DGP Wasp on February 13, 2020, 09:13:03 AM
16/24.  I'll get packing.
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: Neils on February 13, 2020, 09:24:48 AM
Oops 17/24 but missed the fact that a couple had two answers. I suppose if I was serious i would take time to consider rather than a four minute charge through. Some strange questions.
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: jamestaylor002 on February 13, 2020, 09:30:31 AM
18/24 , some of the questions certainly are a bit irrelevant.
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: Trevs Big Tackle on February 13, 2020, 09:41:59 AM
He's an EU national so right to remain should be a given despite Brexit. He's been living here a long time and is employed. No test required. Citizenship seems more likely.

Lots of EU nationals are having their status rejected or only getting limited permission to stay. It should be given, but isn't necessarily.

An Italian 101 year old who has lived in UK since 1966 was told to get his parents to confirm his identity to the Home Office... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/12/home-office-tells-man-101-his-parents-must-confirm-id
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: jamestaylor002 on February 13, 2020, 09:48:14 AM
He's an EU national so right to remain should be a given despite Brexit. He's been living here a long time and is employed. No test required. Citizenship seems more likely.

Lots of EU nationals are having their status rejected or only getting limited permission to stay. It should be given, but isn't necessarily.

An Italian 101 year old who has lived in UK since 1966 was told to get his parents to confirm his identity to the Home Office... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/12/home-office-tells-man-101-his-parents-must-confirm-id

Without trying to get too political, sadly there isn't much common sense when it comes to this subject.
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: mike909 on February 13, 2020, 10:37:08 AM
I did this one.

https://lifeintheuktestweb.co.uk/british-citizenship-test-6/

21 out of 24, but I'm a history nerd.

20/14 - I like quizzes

I passed, phew....
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: jamestaylor002 on February 13, 2020, 11:14:42 AM
I did this one.

https://lifeintheuktestweb.co.uk/british-citizenship-test-6/

21 out of 24, but I'm a history nerd.

20/14 - I like quizzes

I passed, phew....

20/14? I'm impressed Mike!!
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: mike909 on February 13, 2020, 11:25:55 AM
I did this one.

https://lifeintheuktestweb.co.uk/british-citizenship-test-6/

21 out of 24, but I'm a history nerd.

20/14 - I like quizzes

I passed, phew....

20/14? I'm impressed Mike!!

Well, as an accountant, its all in a day's work......
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: RogerE on February 13, 2020, 11:31:43 AM
Had nothing to all morning so sat down and did them all. Tried to do them all as quickly as possible.

Pleased to say I got over 21 on all of them, and 24 on a several (just bragging!)

The questions I got wrong were things like number of seats in the Welsh/Northern Irish/Scottish assemblies, and some where I missed clicking the correct number of answers (choose 2 and I clicked only one because I did not read question correctly as I was rushing them)

However I can't see what many of the questions have as relevance to British Citizenship. They are purely general knowledge questions and more suited to a pub quiz.

Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: Garuda on February 13, 2020, 01:51:41 PM
However I can't see what many of the questions have as relevance to British Citizenship. They are purely general knowledge questions and more suited to a pub quiz.

Agree.

21/24. And one of those incorrect answers was because I didn't realise I had to click two answers, not just one. Must learn to read questions properly.
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: Nopace on February 13, 2020, 08:22:59 PM
21, I was sure someone changed PMQs to 2 weeks, who changed it back?
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: Heathen on February 13, 2020, 10:22:08 PM
21, I was sure someone changed PMQs to 2 weeks, who changed it back?

PMQs were twice weekly (2 x 15 mins Tues and Thurs) until 1997. Bliar changed it to one 30 min session on a Wed and it has remained so up to the present day.
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: Trevs Big Tackle on February 13, 2020, 11:08:08 PM
Lots of questions. Rarely any answers.
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: Nopace on February 14, 2020, 07:42:02 AM
21, I was sure someone changed PMQs to 2 weeks, who changed it back?

PMQs were twice weekly (2 x 15 mins Tues and Thurs) until 1997. Bliar changed it to one 30 min session on a Wed and it has remained so up to the present day.


Ah yes! Thanks.
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: baldpaul101 on February 14, 2020, 10:06:05 AM
FFS, does anyone know what that test is actually aiming to prove?

How does knowing who first minted coins or what the correct name for the courts in Scotland is, make any difference?
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on February 14, 2020, 10:10:36 AM
Like all tests, it tests how good you are at tests.
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: Trevs Big Tackle on February 14, 2020, 10:17:42 AM
FFS, does anyone know what that test is actually aiming to prove?

How does knowing who first minted coins or what the correct name for the courts in Scotland is, make any difference?

I think it's intending to prove to Daily Mail and Express readers that "something is being done".
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: baldpaul101 on February 14, 2020, 10:28:40 AM
Sadly you are probably right TBT!
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on February 14, 2020, 10:53:02 AM
FFS, does anyone know what that test is actually aiming to prove?

How does knowing who first minted coins or what the correct name for the courts in Scotland is, make any difference?

I think it's intending to prove to Daily Mail and Express readers that "something is being done".

What? Wait .... Daily Mail and Express buyers can read? I thought there was maximum IQ level purchase requirement, above which you aren't allowed to buy? Like 10, or maybe 20?
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: King Prawn Phuna on February 14, 2020, 11:00:58 AM
The Hask only got 11.....pmsl!
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: Peej on February 14, 2020, 11:35:23 AM
I did this one.

https://lifeintheuktestweb.co.uk/british-citizenship-test-6/

21 out of 24, but I'm a history nerd.

20/14 - I like quizzes

I passed, phew....

20/14? I'm impressed Mike!!

Well, as an accountant, its all in a day's work......

Especially if you're employed by Sarries, eh?  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: mike909 on February 14, 2020, 11:59:30 AM
If only!

TBH - I;ve mainly worked in audit....so Sarries might not have been too keen....
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: InBetweenWasp on February 14, 2020, 12:00:44 PM
Did the quiz, what a load of old cobblers... (and not just because I failed with a miserable 71% - rounded up!  :-[)

History with context to what it means to be ‘British’ or to give insight into how something has come about would be sensible.  Asking people what caused the death of thousands in the 1300’s, or who was the Queen when the first English settlers landed in the East Coast of America has no meaningful relation to being ‘British’ - whatever that may be.

Surely, more questions around the Geography, it’s Citizens, Governance, Historical Trading Relations, Emerging Trends/Sectors would be far more relevant?
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: Peej on February 14, 2020, 12:22:34 PM
It's almost as if nationality is a bit of an artificial construct isn't it, which is really hard to identify, quantify and measure?
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: welsh wasp on February 14, 2020, 03:37:00 PM
Not sure how long Masi has been back in the UK. He can claim Settled Status if he’s been here for 5 years and Semi-Settled status for fewer than that. Not a difficult process. Started that you could only use Samsung mobiles. Agreement now with Apple. The charity I’m involved has just help 3 East European couples who are profoundly deaf get their right to stay.
The citizenship test seems designed to ensure many foreigners fail. A lot of them are essential but low-paid workers in the care & health sectors.
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: Rossm on February 14, 2020, 03:47:01 PM
The citizenship test seems designed to ensure many foreigners fail. A lot of them are essential but low-paid workers in the care & health sectors.

Impossible to discover but just how many current British citizens would pass? This test should be designed so that most Brits, if not all, actually know the answers!
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: DGP Wasp on February 14, 2020, 03:53:58 PM
The citizenship test seems designed to ensure many foreigners fail. A lot of them are essential but low-paid workers in the care & health sectors.

Impossible to discover but just how many current British citizens would pass? This test should be designed so that most Brits, if not all, actually know the answers!

There are plenty of born and bred Brits who fall some way short of what I would expect from a member of any society regardless of how well they've brushed up on their general knowledge.
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: Chilham on February 14, 2020, 05:01:56 PM
19/24.  Cocked-up two questions by trying to do it too quickly.
Title: Re: Andrea Masi struggling to stay?
Post by: Skippy on February 14, 2020, 06:05:39 PM
Beware of asking for tests that most Brits could answer. We could end up with questions about soap opera's, Love Island and quite possibly football -- in other words, the sort of test where I would be quite relieved to fall into the bottom percentile.

21/24 on the actual test (88%). A couple of mis-clicks in there as well, but hey-ho.  I was disappointed not to get one about the animals I could expect to see at Oxford Circus.