Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: Raggs on February 15, 2020, 03:47:51 PM
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Mostly the ref has been pretty good.
But when I hear him shout "Four! Your offside!" then do nothing when he still goes for the chargedown. Or when he yells "No No!" and still lets the player scrag Robson, I get a bit frustrated.
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Also, allowing second person in to a breakdown (making it a ruck) use their hands...Mostly getting it right, but glaring errors in allowing anyone on feet who "survives the clear out" to continue to got for the ball with their hands......and allowing tackled player to keep moving. But I am slightly obsessed with Laws 14 and 15... :D
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Wasps have had the best of a very tight first half.
Tigers line out is poor. Wasps giving penalties away at the breakdown.
Both 10’s looking shaky. Probably where the game will be won and lost.
Hope we can edge it. It’s going to be a very long second half.
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Now 3-9. Another Gopps penalty.
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Yellow card for Tomas Lavanini
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Also, allowing second person in to a breakdown (making it a ruck) use their hands...Mostly getting it right, but glaring errors in allowing anyone on feet who "survives the clear out" to continue to got for the ball with their hands......and allowing tackled player to keep moving. But I am slightly obsessed with Laws 14 and 15... :D
Largely irrelevant to your point, but weren't the laws changed so that the ruck is always formed at every tackle?
I think it was to stop the tactic that Italy used against England where their players were standing on both sides of the ball before the ruck was officially formed because they weren't committing anyone to the breakdown
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I'm very upset by all this time we choose 3 points instead of trying to mark a try. While they had a yellow car, why don't try to mark at least 5 points? Now they are close to our line and still have the opportunity to win the game.
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Here is the highlight of why we shouldn't kick 3 points when we have a penalty in their 22.
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First line out wasn’t straight then Youngs punches Rowlands. Result- Leicester go upfield for a try.
Need to get attacking the throw again
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Which geriatric is asleep in the truck this week?
Disgraceful to ignore the punch on Rowlands.
With Tibo and Carr we are just a bit lightweight against a Leicester 8 which has been picked based on human bulk by the looks of it.
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Also, allowing second person in to a breakdown (making it a ruck) use their hands...Mostly getting it right, but glaring errors in allowing anyone on feet who "survives the clear out" to continue to got for the ball with their hands......and allowing tackled player to keep moving. But I am slightly obsessed with Laws 14 and 15... :D
Largely irrelevant to your point, but weren't the laws changed so that the ruck is always formed at every tackle?
I think it was to stop the tactic that Italy used against England where their players were standing on both sides of the ball before the ruck was officially formed because they weren't committing anyone to the breakdown
That was IRO offside. Law 14.10 applies. A ruck is formed at the point a second player arrives at the tackled player. Law 15.2
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Easier to score than not..gobmacked..then look what happens.
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I'm depressed. Tiggers are bad, but we offer a discount on points today.
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Absolutely typical.
We butcher one then concede.
Dai not being here has done wonders.
There goes the match. Depressing season continues.
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Rowlands punched in the face and ignored, Kibirige tackled around the neck and ignored.
I do wonder what the point is sometimes.
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Embarrassing. Brain farts. Just not good enough
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Absolutely typical.
We butcher one then concede.
Dai not being here has done wonders.
There goes the match. Depressing season continues.
What were you expecting from Dai not being here out of interest?
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We're losing and I'm not bothered at all.
If this is what a ring fenced league feels like for those not involved in the fight at the very top, then I'm wholly against it.
I'm obviously happy that we won't get relegated, but this feeling of ambivalence is worse than being hugely upset about losing
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I agree for Rowlands, what are doing referees??? Kiribige is tackled something like high but this is not obvious. I don't know, I just see that each time we are close to try, they try!
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Hymenoptera, I was just pointing out the painfully obvious.
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fair enough
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And Dai is there just not with the team
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Dai is there???
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Supporting his son
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This is a very poor tigers team. Beating us by 9 points. On a positive note, Willis continues to turnover at will. YY gone well too. We are getting what we deserve though. Kibirige should have nailed that in my view. Wasn’t a high tackle. Should have slid in well before
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I was expecting, at least, a bonus point. Grrrr
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This is a very poor tigers team. Beating us by 9 points. On a positive note, Willis continues to turnover at will. YY gone well too. We are getting what we deserve though. Kibirige should have nailed that in my view. Wasn’t a high tackle. Should have slid in well before
The good point is that we are able to score a lot. The only issue is just this is not on the right side of the field.
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What use is Brad Shields? Taken over from Hughes as a penalty machine.
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Just back from Leamington. Can't even beat Tigers with their Internationals missing. Enough said.
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100% kibrige should have scored that. Have to say Umaga looks like the future today rather than the now.
Decent first 3rd...then dropped off a cliff. Lucky they had their England players out.
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Worst performance of the season (so far) for me. And that's saying something after being at Edinburgh away!
No direction, no leadership, no skills, no accuracy. Damp squib.
Costello and blackett both need to go, and we desperately need some quality coaches.
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This is a very poor tigers team. Beating us by 9 points. On a positive note, Willis continues to turnover at will. YY gone well too. We are getting what we deserve though. Kibirige should have nailed that in my view. Wasn’t a high tackle. Should have slid in well before
While I agree Kibirige should have scored. He could have probably slid in 20ft in that weather. I disagree strongly that it wasnt a high tackle. One hand was on the upper arm level with the shoulder, and the other hand was on his neck. That is the very definition of a high tackle.
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Def not a high tackle for me..its wasnt over the shoulder. Tackling from behind is still legal.
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It looks as though player fitness is not where it needs to be. Wasps used to target being one of the fittest if not the fittest club in the Prem.
The other major gap seems to be leadership in defence. Under Shaun Edwards, the on-field leader in defence was Fraser Waters. As I understand it, no one has been given or taken on this role in the current setup.
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This is a very poor tigers team. Beating us by 9 points. On a positive note, Willis continues to turnover at will. YY gone well too. We are getting what we deserve though. Kibirige should have nailed that in my view. Wasn’t a high tackle. Should have slid in well before
While I agree Kibirige should have scored. He could have probably slid in 20ft in that weather. I disagree strongly that it wasnt a high tackle. One hand was on the upper arm level with the shoulder, and the other hand was on his neck. That is the very definition of a high tackle.
If that had been a Wasp player making the tackle I would have been really disappointed if it was called a high tackle. That’s the beauty of sport, we all see it slightly different including the ref and tmo. Kibirige should have buried it, nothing to talk about afterwards then. Turning point of the game too
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I m OK with the tackle, but what was kibirige doing not sliding in and keeping a firm hold on the ball.
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Law 10.4e "A player must not tackle (or try to tackle) an opponent above the line of the shoulders even if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders. A tackle around the opponent’s neck or head is dangerous play."
So with one hand level with the shoulder and one hand in top if the shoulder it is by definition a high tackle.
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I thought we were bad enough last season but this season we seem to be determined to plummet to new depths.
Our defence has more holes in it than my kitchen cullender.
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Law 10.4e "A player must not tackle (or try to tackle) an opponent above the line of the shoulders even if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders. A tackle around the opponent’s neck or head is dangerous play."
So with one hand level with the shoulder and one hand in top if the shoulder it is by definition a high tackle.
It may have ended that way, but he was on his way down by then and the ball was long gone. the fact that nearly everyone is agreeing it wan't high kind of puts this to bed and leaves the question as to what the hell kibrige was thinking.
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Law 10.4e "A player must not tackle (or try to tackle) an opponent above the line of the shoulders even if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders. A tackle around the opponent’s neck or head is dangerous play."
So with one hand level with the shoulder and one hand in top if the shoulder it is by definition a high tackle.
It may have ended that way, but he was on his way down by then and the ball was long gone. the fact that nearly everyone is agreeing it wan't high kind of puts this to bed and leaves the question as to what the hell kibrige was thinking.
I get that you disagree. But watch it again and tell me that neither hand was above the shoulder line.
There may have been no malice in it, and the law may be flawed. But if we ignore the laws we dont like then we are no better than Saracens.
He ignored it because the only alternative was to call it a high tackle and award a penalty, which would have been by definition a penalty try.
That would have been extreme as Kiribige should have scored either way. But if we actually expect our refs to apply the laws as they are written then that was high and should have been given so.
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I didn’t see that as a high tackle, just poor play. Slide in early for Christ sake.
We are a mess, it was the right decision to get rid of Dai, we just need to sack the rest of our coaching staff.
We have too many players that should not be wearing a Wasps top. This has got to change. We are losing the good players and keeping the bad ones.
Terrible season, likely to get worst
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Chances were squandered after a decent game plan first half but the TMO needs to take a long hard look at himself (after he's woken up). White's tackle was high by the game's definition, got away with it because it was a weak contact, Kibirige may be should have slid in but the tackle was still illegal. Youngs should be cited for punch on Rowlands. Those two incidents materially effected the outcome and how we should all be feeling. Anyway we're still 90 points ahead of the Man City of rugby ;)
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It wasn't a high tackle.
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Like I say, no one else thought it was high so as frustrated as you are i'm not sure your going to get much change from it...there are many other issue's to consider.
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Kibirige had ample time to dive and slide in, he left himself wide open. Regardless of the debatable tackle height, Kibirige's technique and awareness was poor. We then imploded and Umaga passed it straight to Veainu when he a player in space, game over.
However the turning point for me was the yellow card, that should have been 7 points to us, not 3. I agree with the pundits, Exeter would have taken 5 as a minimum, probably 7. We are too nice and not ruthless enough. Wrong decision and a try at that stage would have given us the psychological edge IMO.
Today was my biggest disappointment this season, we started so well and were well on top. Then we just seemed to capitulate to a really average Tigers team, thank goodness the EAs have gone down.
The board at Wasps have to resolve the amorphous situation regarding the coaching set up and allow the club to move forward.
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The intercept was substantially Le Bourgeois' fault as he had overrun Umaga.
However, that is the second time this season we could/should have had a penalty try (JP v Irish was the other) and got nowt. Allied to the TMO not calling out Tom Youngs' punch we didn't do well out of the officials. However, we were woeful in the 2nd half while they had pulled it together.
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Intercept? A poor pass bobbled along the floor.
If the man has over run, don't pass.
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Intercept? A poor pass bobbled along the floor.
If the man has over run, don't pass.
Agree, poor decision, and it killed us. We should have nailed that game, their starting 10 had hands like hooves - woeful...and we lost to them.