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We're off to Ealing to watch Ealing v Jersey in the Championship Cup

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Please  -  let this be a mistake.  At this rate there could be a Premiership 'B' Group forming,  and the RFU can then achieve it's (presumably) hoped-for  Premiership 'A' Group of  4 permanent nailed-on teams.  I hope the RFU are happy 'cos I'm definitely not.

I don't understand how the RFU can be blamed for this. If LI have gone bust it's because their expenses are greater than their income, their greatest expense being the salary cap which has been set exclusively by PRL.

Also I have heard various premiership voices call for a reduced league but not the RFU. If I'm wrong, please enlighten me.

For the ignorant  (ie: me)  how does anyone get selected to be on  the RFU?  Friends?  Pl d  boys/farts  network?  Just  curiosity. Not that I'm thinking  of applying.

It used to be, and probably still is, that RFU Council members were nominated by each individual county, so Bucks, Berks, Ox, Warks, Worcs etc would nominate a council member each. These would have been through and through community rugby people, each one having been elected as a council member by the clubs in that county, and were the 57 old farts Will Carling referred to.

According to Camquin in the other place, a modernization of the RFU's decision making process resulted in all the power effectively given to the RFU executive with the Council rubber stamping their decisions. It was the Executive that dilly dallied at the start of the professional era and ceded control of the Premier League to PRL and the rest is history.

Now this is a sentence I did not expect to write - if this history is correct, the Blazers are not to blame....

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Quote from: Bloke in North Dorset on April 25, 2023, 03:36:45 PM

The RFU can make up their own rules about whether or not someone buying a bankrupt entity will be allowed back in to the professional game and that should be nothing to do with the Administrator.

Only insofar as those rules do not, or require a third party to, break the law. It could be argued that the rugby creditors rule does just that. Curiously, that same rule also depresses the likely value of the club name and goodwill.

I agree is supressing the value but I'm not sure is against the letter or spirit of bankruptcy laws as we'd have heard from a KC on the issue by now. I agree it might be against the spirit and even intended laws, but that's different. We might be in to tax evasion v avoidance territory here.

The Rugby Creditors rule does not break any laws. It's a commercial transaction that allows a separate legal (to the one that went bankrupt) to buy an accelerated entry to the RFU's league structure.

There are requirements for home/away/referee changing rooms and medical facilities however afaik temporary buildings do not need planning permission. Similarly with any 'temporary' food/refreshment outlets, the licencing requirement could be achieved by outsourcing the running of the bar to a local rugby club or other licensee.

From what other people said, not ideal to hold games there but feasible given my understanding of planning law.

Quote from: Bloke in North Dorset on April 16, 2023, 07:20:43 PM

As a separate issue classing that as tackling a man on the ground could also be debatable. How do you stop someone who dives for the line 5 or 10 meters out when its wet?

Seen this commented on quite a bit on social media, which is also the only place I've seen the footage. Have to say I agree. Had Woodburn dived on top of Ashton I'd have had no issue with the yellow that became a red as the way some players, and Chiefs are one of the worst for this, dive on top of try scorers is dangerous and at times quite cowardly, we have seen players have to go off after a post try tackle.

In this case Woodburn slides in from the side to try and stop the try and get under the ball, and only ended up on top of Ashton as the tackle progressed.

Lots of people stating the laws which say you can't tackle a player on the ground, in a similar vein when a player is on the ground he should release the ball, the momentum thing is what allows players to slide in from a distance, especially in the wet. We could end up seeing players slide from 10m out as soon as they get close and all the defending team can do is stand there and let it happen.


Although, the fact it was Karl Dickson with the cards says a lot as well.

Don't see anything wrong with players sliding in from 10m. It's called playing the conditions and something teams should be able to adapt to like playing with/into a strong wind.

Quote from: Neils on April 14, 2023, 03:09:15 PM

Any actual idea when the Championship matches start in 23/24.

After the World Cup I believe. During the World Cup are the pool stages of the Premiership/Championship Cup.

If Wasps are playing in the Championship then are they/do they have to also playing in the Premiership/Championship cup?