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Title: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: MarleyWasp on June 01, 2021, 12:55:32 PM
According to Nik Simon of the Mail, who tends to be very reliable: https://twitter.com/stephenjones9/status/1399694638131429376?s=20

Gloucester played London Irish on Friday, so there could be a knock on effect on our match.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Chunky24 on June 01, 2021, 01:22:11 PM
Possibly linked to Hartpury cases which caused cancellation of their game against Saracens last week?
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: MarleyWasp on June 01, 2021, 01:23:17 PM
Unsure, but their match has just been called off, which will mean 4 points to Bath, putting them ahead of us...
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Chunky24 on June 01, 2021, 01:34:48 PM
https://www.premiershiprugby.com/news/gloucester-rugby-v-bath-rugby-cancelled

https://www.gloucesterrugby.co.uk/news/club-statement-covid-19

Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Shugs on June 01, 2021, 01:47:55 PM
4 points to Bath! Just what we didn't want. We really can't catch a break this season.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: MarleyWasp on June 01, 2021, 02:00:20 PM
Indeed. It appears London Irish are unaffected, so whoever loses our match against Irish will be overtaken by Bath. If it's us and we don't get any bonus points, Gloucester will draw level on points with us, although we'd be ahead on matches won.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Neils on June 01, 2021, 02:03:50 PM
The amount of covid points teams around us have gained has done more to blight our season than our playing vagaries.  Not only do other teams get points - even the 2 points is worth it to some - they get a rest.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: MarleyWasp on June 01, 2021, 02:22:48 PM
Apparently there are at least 20 positive cases at Gloucester, maybe as high as 30, with others being re-tested, so it may rise. With close contacts that's most of their squad needing to isolate for 10 days, which means no more training until Friday next week. They may just get to play their final match.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: JonnyD on June 01, 2021, 02:46:26 PM
This is terrible news all round.

Surely Irish must be affected too if it’s this serious.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Heathen on June 01, 2021, 11:31:27 PM
If the cases are that high then this a significant risk that the Irish squad could well be affected.  It will be interesting to see the outcome of their test round later this week.

I honestly believe that any Covid matches should have been determined as 0-0 draws, hence 2 pts to each side. The Champions Cup qualification for next season is probably going to be skewed against those sides that have had zero cancellations.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: InBetweenWasp on June 02, 2021, 10:54:05 AM
I'd quite like Irish to come through unscathed so that I can go and watch some live rugby!
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Chunky24 on June 02, 2021, 11:14:02 AM
Suppose one additional issue is if no positive LI tests until after the game then Wasps close contacts identified prior to Tigers game so no game then?
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Raggs on June 02, 2021, 11:17:56 AM
Could be cases found in training team, rather than 1st XV types, so less likely to have passed it onto LI, but now may have to isolate themselves due to potential exposure.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on June 02, 2021, 11:43:26 AM
Have there been any proven cases of transmission between teams during a game?
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Tervueren on June 02, 2021, 11:53:28 AM
Have there been any proven cases of transmission between teams during a game?

Graham Hughes was asked that, said he had not seen any
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: baldpaul101 on June 02, 2021, 11:57:54 AM
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Have there been any proven cases of transmission between teams during a game?

wasn't there one for Saints, Piers Francis came on as a sub and caught it? IIRC...
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: InBetweenWasp on June 02, 2021, 11:59:26 AM
Have there been any proven cases of transmission between teams during a game?

 ;D >:(

Graham Hughes was asked that, said he had not seen any
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Shugs on June 02, 2021, 12:01:25 PM
 :) :). Dont stay alert / Control the ref / Save Saints.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Chunky24 on June 02, 2021, 12:03:23 PM
Have there been any proven cases of transmission between teams during a game?

Graham Hughes was asked that, said he had not seen any

Hands, Face, Gouge
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: hookender on June 02, 2021, 12:56:43 PM
Have there been any proven cases of transmission between teams during a game?

Graham Hughes was asked that, said he had not seen any
😀.     It would probably be the one thing he would claim he had seen.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: WonkyWasp on June 02, 2021, 01:05:45 PM
        :)       
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Tervueren on June 02, 2021, 01:09:18 PM
Have there been any proven cases of transmission between teams during a game?

Graham Hughes was asked that, said he had not seen any
😀.     It would probably be the one thing he would claim he had seen.

Playing Devil's Advocate, in 2014 he did intervene to disallow a try by Owen Farrell that had been awarded by J.P. Doyle.

So, not all bad.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: baldpaul101 on June 02, 2021, 01:44:01 PM
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2014 he did intervene to disallow a try by Owen Farrell that had been awarded by J.P. Doyle

One incompetent over ruling another!! Knowing those two it probably was try, but scored by Maro Itoji !
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Chunky24 on June 04, 2021, 06:51:12 PM
Suggestion / Rumour on Twitter that LI have a positive case
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Neils on June 04, 2021, 07:12:27 PM
Suggestion / Rumour on Twitter that LI have a positive case

Saw that too. Not sure if fact or jibbering.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Chunky24 on June 04, 2021, 07:16:47 PM
Suggestion / Rumour on Twitter that LI have a positive case

Saw that too. Not sure if fact or jibbering.

Not sure either, some of the usually ahead of the game accounts not posted anything along these lines yet.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Neils on June 04, 2021, 08:03:26 PM
Premiership: A total of 29 Covid-19 cases among players and staff recorded at three clubs - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/57361692
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: MarleyWasp on June 04, 2021, 08:23:24 PM
Could be one at Sale, one at Irish and 27 at Gloucester.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Chunky24 on June 04, 2021, 08:44:59 PM
Could be one at Sale, one at Irish and 27 at Gloucester.

With the seemingly limited and specific impact of the Sale one you would assume that is someone like a medical therapist/ S & C / masseur who works with Manu, if it does exist LI could be similar.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: MarleyWasp on June 08, 2021, 04:06:17 PM
Worcester v Gloucester is also off as there has been a further positive test at Gloucester with even more players needing to isolate.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: hookender on June 08, 2021, 05:10:12 PM
Worcester v Gloucester is also off as there has been a further positive test at Gloucester with even more players needing to isolate.
Worcesters second win of season?
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Neils on June 08, 2021, 05:11:38 PM
Worcester v Gloucester is also off as there has been a further positive test at Gloucester with even more players needing to isolate.
Worcesters second win of season?

Isn't it 4 wins but 3 are Covid
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: DGP Wasp on June 08, 2021, 05:17:02 PM
Their only actual Premiership win this season was 11-10 at home to Irish.  Yet they will finish the season on 27 points.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Neils on June 08, 2021, 05:18:08 PM
Their only actual Premiership win this season was 11-10 at home to Irish.  Yet they will finish the season on 27 points.

And Wasps who have not been impacted at all get NO Covid points!
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: hookender on June 08, 2021, 05:27:29 PM
Worcester v Gloucester is also off as there has been a further positive test at Gloucester with even more players needing to isolate.
Worcesters second win of season?

Isn't it 4 wins but 3 are Covid

Realised after posting 👍
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Rossm on June 08, 2021, 05:53:01 PM
Or as I put it in another thread:

This means that Wuss will end the season with 4 wins, only one of which they've actually had to play for. Farce.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: MarleyWasp on June 08, 2021, 06:56:27 PM
Super League came up with a Percentage system to take into account cancelled matches. As they award 2 points for a win, 1 for a draw and no BP it's easy to do.

If Premiership Rugby applied a similar system it could have been based on the percentage of points available based on 5 per match being the maximum any side can get.

Had they applied this system, the League table would look like the attached image.

The biggest changes to the table is we'd be sixth, ahead of Leicester, and Bath and Gloucester would swap places.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Neils on June 08, 2021, 06:59:50 PM
Super League came up with a Percentage system to take into account cancelled matches. As they award 2 points for a win, 1 for a draw and no BP it's easy to do.

If Premiership Rugby applied a similar system it could have been based on the percentage of points available based on 5 per match being the maximum any side can get.

Had they applied this system, the League table would look like the attached image.

The biggest changes to the table is we'd be sixth, ahead of Leicester, and Bath and Gloucester would swap places.

Nice but too difficult for PRL.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: MarleyWasp on June 08, 2021, 07:07:34 PM
Too difficult or too sensible?
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Neils on June 08, 2021, 07:31:42 PM
Too difficult or too sensible?

Both considering their track record.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: WonkyWasp on June 08, 2021, 07:34:51 PM
Are Wuss going to lose out financially after a no-show by  the oppo?  Oh dear  -  if so,  Wasps know exactly  how they feel.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: Neils on June 08, 2021, 08:34:53 PM
Are Wuss going to lose out financially after a no-show by  the oppo?  Oh dear  -  if so,  Wasps know exactly  how they feel.

Nice point.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: DGP Wasp on June 09, 2021, 08:49:57 AM
Thanks for posting that league table.  Been wondering how it would shape up without points awarded for a nice rest week, and didn't feel inclined to work it out!

Based on that, points per game played looks like this:
           Pl   Pts   Pts/Game
Bris           21   81   3.86
Ex           21   78   3.71
Sale           21   73   3.48
Quins   20   64   3.20
Nor           18   45   2.50
Wasps   21   48   2.29
Leic           19   43   2.26
LI           19   42   2.21
Glouc   20   41   2.05
Newc   18   36   2.00
Bath           19   32   1.68
Worc           19   15   0.79

Not a huge difference, but drops us from 6th to 7th.

Bath the real beneficiaries when compared to the actual league table.  Results-wise they're next to bottom, yet they go into this weekend with European qualification in their own hands.
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: St Bruno on June 09, 2021, 11:49:41 AM
"Bath the real beneficiaries when compared to the actual league table.  Results-wise they're next to bottom, yet they go into this weekend with European qualification in their own hands."

But they'll probably knock it on!
Title: Re: "Significant" Covid outbreak at Gloucester
Post by: andermt on June 09, 2021, 12:26:58 PM
Are Wuss going to lose out financially after a no-show by  the oppo?  Oh dear  -  if so,  Wasps know exactly  how they feel.

Karma's a bitch  ;D ;D