Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: jamestaylor002 on January 02, 2020, 09:46:08 AM
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Really interesting stuff.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50972053 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50972053)
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Mmmmm
Does that mean no more toxic under the counter deals? I have my doubts.
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My thoughts exactly. I also have my doubts his involvement ends.
EDIT: Now more information has been shared on that BBC link, Wray's statement does say that the Wray family will continue to provide financial support.
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So he still owns it, he's just given the title to someone else?
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It feels like smoke and mirrors to me.
If he's no longer involved with the club and isn't chairman, then his co-investments have nothing to do with the rugby club so are nothing to do with the salary cap.
He's now even more free to pay players whatever he wants without it affecting the club salary cap
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So he still owns it, he's just given the title to someone else?
Yes it still looks that way
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It feels like smoke and mirrors to me.
If he's no longer involved with the club and isn't chairman, then his co-investments have nothing to do with the rugby club so are nothing to do with the salary cap.
He's now even more free to pay players whatever he wants without it affecting the club salary cap
Yes and no, they'd still be viewed as benefits in kind. If he was to do it smartly, he'd keep doing it for sarries players, and do it for a few players from other teams as well.
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Absolutely no change. If PRL buys this then they are as corrupt. Strange that this is ahead of the supposed big January Owners meeting.
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So he's not put his stake up for sale, just stood down from his executive position? Strikes me as a symbolic gesture designed to appease critics, but doesn't appear to change anything.
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So he's not put his stake up for sale, just stood down from his executive position? Strikes me as a symbolic gesture designed to appease critics, but doesn't appear to change anything.
Totally
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If he's the one who's signed the salary cap agreement he'd have been removed anyway. Jumping before he's pushed.
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"without benefactors like him, the professional game would not exist".
And with 3 benefactors exactly like him it won't exist either. That is all it would take to bankrupt the game. Good riddance, but this still smells fishy.
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As others have said, in effect nothing has changed apart relinquishing the title of chairman.. if anything, he's now possibly in a better position to pass extra payments to players. He's still the owner and has said he will continue to offer financial support.
If Sarries think its is going to appease the other 12 clubs then I suspect they'll be mistaken.
Things will only change when he sells his shares but who is going to be able pay what he is possibly now owed (£40m possibly) having bought Remgro out.
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There’s a hint of jumping before being pushed imo, but in reality nothing has changed and PRL would be stupid to not consider him still part of the club. Believe the salary cap includes interested parties and their payments and Wray would still fit under that umbrella so don’t think this’ll change anything in terms of finding ways to break the cap.
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In the world of politics and politics discussions - this would be classified as a "dead cat" announcement
It looks designed to distract from the issue at hand - and also there is an element of "jump before pushed"
But it does nothing in reality. Until Prem Rugby actually "come clean" and we can see there is at least a reasonably level playing field, I will continue to feel that hard work has been devalued, as have recent Prem titles
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So he's not put his stake up for sale, just stood down from his executive position? Strikes me as a symbolic gesture designed to appease critics, but doesn't appear to change anything.
Totally agree, it's just flak diversion tactics.
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Who owns the club runs the club. Who would want to be the puppet Chair with Wray pulling their strings.
Why has he done it when nothing has changed in reality.
I suppose he doesn’t have to go the meeting of PRL Chairs!
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He is still a "connected party" as he owns 5% or more so it does not change whatever dodgy dealing goes on, does not make it easier.
Apart from that I don't suppose if really changes a lot, according to Owen Slot it was something he was considering anyway before the cap business arose.
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He is also owed tens of millions unless he publicly writes it off. He ain't going nowhere - just becomes the puppet master.
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Will they be having a whip-round for a retirement present? There might be a few bob floating around somewhere.
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5Live had a short piece on him around 12:45ish. Chris Jones was saying how thankful rugby union fans and the sport generally should be to Wray as he has supported the game in this country. As a vote of thanks I think we should all turn a blind eye to his cheating and let things slide.
For the record, I cancelled my BT Sport last week citing the cheating in the sport as my reason. It won't change anything, but I will save some money as I have lost interest in watching on the TV.
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The king is dead long live the king, replacing Wray with the former salary cap miscreant Ed griffiths says everything you need to know about the situation 😱😱
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The king is dead long live the king, replacing Wray with the former salary cap miscreant Ed griffiths says everything you need to know about the situation 😱😱
Couldn't agree more
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5Live had a short piece on him around 12:45ish. Chris Jones was saying how thankful rugby union fans and the sport generally should be to Wray as he has supported the game in this country. As a vote of thanks I think we should all turn a blind eye to his cheating and let things slide.
For the record, I cancelled my BT Sport last week citing the cheating in the sport as my reason. It won't change anything, but I will save some money as I have lost interest in watching on the TV.
Chris Jones is talking out of his back passage as far as I'm concerned.
I don't blame you for cancelling your subscription and whilst you may think that citing the cheating won't change anything, it's better doing that than doing nothing.
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About half an hour ago they (5live) interviewed the reporter who investigated all this. She confirmed that all this was to do with the investments.
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Laura Lambert - I wonder if she's been allowed to read the PRL report?
I know she discovered all the shared LTD companies but is that actually what Sarries were pinged for or was it something else.
I wonder if someone tipped her off?
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On the face of it absolutely nothing changes in the substance of it. In my opinion there will be something in this which seeks to negate further cap punishments. There can be as much title changing and smoke and mirrors as you like but until the fundamental make up of their squad changes none of it has any credibility.
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Laura Lambert - I wonder if she's been allowed to read the PRL report?
I know she discovered all the shared LTD companies but is that actually what Sarries were pinged for or was it something else.
I wonder if someone tipped her off?
She also recently said there was more to come out!
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Laura Lambert - I wonder if she's been allowed to read the PRL report?
I know she discovered all the shared LTD companies but is that actually what Sarries were pinged for or was it something else.
I wonder if someone tipped her off?
She also recently said there was more to come out!
It wouldn't exactly be a surprise - given the number of caps they can put out is so high - you'd expect there would be a need to pay.. a lot...
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Laura Lambert - I wonder if she's been allowed to read the PRL report?
I know she discovered all the shared LTD companies but is that actually what Sarries were pinged for or was it something else.
I wonder if someone tipped her off?
She also recently said there was more to come out!
I'd heard that too, from two completely unconnected sources who you'd expect to know.
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Given the total lack of contrition from the Sarries supporters I know online - I'd be delighted if there was more to come out
Some of those supporters think he's done the sport a favour....