Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: Heathen on January 16, 2021, 11:24:29 PM
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I can accept the ring fencing
I can't currently accept the 13 team league.
It's a decision that's being made solely to placate a team that has systematically cheated for years.
I accept that they're share holders and need to agree to any decision, but it still stinks.
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Any news about the prop signing that was hinted yesterday by Jon Newcombe?
https://twitter.com/RugbyTimes/status/1350534965197500417
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Big splash on Hislop joining us. Neils in another post mentions that Elliott Millar Mills, also a prop, is joining from Ealing and Vellacott going to Edinburgh.
I wonder if these are guys that Neil Fowkes has looked at and reckons that they could make the grade in the Premiership?
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So that's Ealing being promoted and nobody going down then...
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So that's Ealing being promoted and nobody going down then...
If only.
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I can accept the ring fencing
I can't currently accept the 13 team league.
It's a decision that's being made solely to placate a team that has systematically cheated for years.
I accept that they're share holders and need to agree to any decision, but it still stinks.
I agree. However, there are 13(?) share holders and only 12 places in the league, so there has always been at least one Prem share holder sitting it out. If this situation had presented itself a year or two earlier, would they be so keen to placate Irish or Newcastle? I suspect not. I don't think it's Sarries'share holding driving this, rather their recent (ill-gotten) success and their contribution to the England squad.
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If they're told to stay down, the best players will leave to join Premiership clubs. Problem solved. It'll cease to be a bums on seats club.
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If they're told to stay down, the best players will leave to join Premiership clubs. Problem solved. It'll cease to be a bums on seats club.
Wouldn't describe them as a "bums on seats club" in the true sense.
All those trophies and a squad dripping with British Lions and even while they were still in the Premiership they couldn't fill one of the smallest grounds in the league. The rugby public can't stand them, the love in is with the media.
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That is the reason why I will not buy TRP again until they stop spouting Nigel's paid for propaganda. There are too many Sarries apologists out there in media land, and you have to question how many pro Sarries opinions have been bought. The rugby public know when something stinks.
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I can accept the ring fencing
I can't currently accept the 13 team league.
It's a decision that's being made solely to placate a team that has systematically cheated for years.
I accept that they're share holders and need to agree to any decision, but it still stinks.
Whilst I sympathise with your feelings about Saracens, I am much more concerned about Wasps surviving their precarious financial situation, than punishing Saracens, and an extra 2 games per season will help.
But how long is this for, one season, a few seasons or for the foreseeable future? Speculation here suggests maybe up to 14 teams! https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jan/17/rugby-union-premiership-relegation-expansion. The article also points out that central funding would be diluted with more clubs being in the premiership (something that I overlooked).
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Ringfencing is the right idea given the shambles of this season, but I think Sarries should be kept out in the wilderness. Fuck 'em , frankly.
What will most likely happen is that we'll go to a 14 team league, with a dreaded conference system, which I utterly despise.
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I hate the idea of ring fencing but I can see the sense of making the league up to 14 teams. So maybe a team up up for the next two valid seasons with no relegation ,with a one year deferment after that to allow last team up time to establish themselves.
Wouldn’t need to be a conference system - french handle it ok ,just drop rugby cup if needs be. Extra games would allow bedding in of youngsters.
Another benefit having extra two clubs in league could be extra players for international duty , might not have so many missing from each team.
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That is the reason why I will not buy TRP again until they stop spouting Nigel's paid for propaganda. There are too many Sarries apologists out there in media land, and you have to question how many pro Sarries opinions have been bought. The rugby public know when something stinks.
It's why I stopped my TRP subscription, I only read it now as I can get it for free on pressreader due to the city libraries.
Every week the same columnist either supports Sarries or slags of PRL.
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Add me to the list of former TRP readers who have stopped buying it due to Salarycens apologists.
Plus I have no time for Fissler either.
If the Championship reaches a conclusion in the next 6 months and Sarries come top then I will begrudgingly accept their promotion but if they just get handed a Premiership spot for next season without earning it then i'd be very disappointed in the PRL to say the least.
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They were relegated because they would not open their accounts for independent scrutiny (as well as cheating).
Part of the process in getting promoted is to have a clubs accounts scrutinised to ensure they are financially viable for life in the Premiership. So how does this work??
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Neils,
I think the scrutiny only extends back 2 years.
On the subject of the Asterisks being promoted, I've been told by an ex-outside broadcast bod that BT reckon that the Prem would be a more attractive proposition for them (BT that is). Quite why they think that, if they do, I don't know. Perhaps the presence of a number of international players.
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Neils,
I think the scrutiny only extends back 2 years.
On the subject of the Asterisks being promoted, I've been told by an ex-outside broadcast bod that BT reckon that the Prem would be a more attractive proposition for them (BT that is). Quite why they think that, if they do, I don't know. Perhaps the presence of a number of international players.
I suspect you're right that some execs think Saracens are good box office. Personally I think they were bad for the audience when their winning was all but a foregone conclusion and I suspect if they stayed down most of their international players would quickly transfer their undying allegiance to other clubs.
If they win promotion then so be it but a rigged behind-doors deal to create a 13th place for them... No thanks
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One phrase really sums up many facets in this tawdry scenario "money talks".
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Isn’t a promoted club suppose to be able to show that it has not breached the salary cap in any of the three preceding seasons?
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Isn’t a promoted club suppose to be able to show that it has not breached the salary cap in any of the three preceding seasons?
IT's only 2 I think, for sarries that would be their last year in Prem plus year in Championship.
I think thats why they were offloading expensive players before the end of last season. The covid delays probably helped them as the end of season was so late and was after a number of players moved clubs.
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Isn’t a promoted club suppose to be able to show that it has not breached the salary cap in any of the three preceding seasons?
It was 2 years
However, the bit in the salary cap rules relating to it has been removed this year, so no need to prove 2 years any more
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Neils,
I think the scrutiny only extends back 2 years.
On the subject of the Asterisks being promoted, I've been told by an ex-outside broadcast bod that BT reckon that the Prem would be a more attractive proposition for them (BT that is). Quite why they think that, if they do, I don't know. Perhaps the presence of a number of international players.
Not questioning your source but trying to make sense of it.
They are such a product, nobody goes to watch them. Myself, and I know others, don't watch their games on the box...I struggle to see the attraction or draw myself as the metrics don't support the argument
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It was meant to be current season and the season before that but someone didn't proof read the approved cap properly making it the current season and two before that...
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I'm still struggling to see how Sarries can be below the cap. They off-loaded various players to other clubs to hopefully bring themselves back under the cap for this season. Despite being in the Championship the PRL rules still apply. Those rules apply to the current campaign and the previous season.
Despite being a gobby wotsit I respect Ben Spencer for drawing a line under proceedings and signing for Bath.
Malin, Earle and Bristol.
Brizzle are the richest club so why did they agree to help Sarries out by reducing Sarries wage bill?
Why didn't Malin and Earle simply sign for Bristol.. do what Spencer did.. cut their losses and move on to pastures new..
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BG...
They don't have to be under the cap for the previous season.... Just this season.
The clause in the cap that used to refer to the previous season has been removed this year
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Regarding Bristol,I suppose it could be a case of the Saracens shenanigans not affecting them as they were mostly in the championship during the 2010s. So for them to pick up a couple of players is just good business.
Would love to be a fly on the wall of their accounting office this year though ,to see how they cope with the cap reduction.
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BG...
They don't have to be under the cap for the previous season.... Just this season.
The clause in the cap that used to refer to the previous season has been removed this year
That clears things up.
So Ealing could throw £100m at player recruitment and contracts and they won't get pinged if they are promoted the following season.. but not this season?
Ealing could be sold a stake in PRL. Owen Slot from The Times (thank you Heathen) roughly estimated a share (A's + B's) might cost £20m and each club would then receive a £1.5m handout.
Thankfully Owen Slot is a journalist and not a business owner. He's forgotten CVC take roughly a 1/3rd of all ongoing revenue from the time they bought shares in PRL.
If Ealing are willing to pay £20m then CVC will receive about £6 - 7m.
If I was Ealing, I'd just dog it out for a couple of seasons. See which current PRL club can't sustain the overheads.. then buy their shares.