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Title: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on May 15, 2021, 01:31:51 PM
Just an hour and a half to go.

Hopefully we can get a five point lift. Hopefully we can get past 77 minutes too far in the lead to collapse yet again.

The pitch won't be the dry track we need but let's hope it has some firmness left.

Match on BT Red Button (Extra) and apparently has a 5 minute run in.

COYW

I will miss watching as I have to travel 30 miles (I note Oxford Univ is going to woke Imperial Measurements) for jab No 2. So BB for me.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: WonkyWasp on May 15, 2021, 01:50:15 PM
So glad you're joining the Second Jab Club.  Welcome!
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on May 15, 2021, 01:58:08 PM
Thank you. A bit peed off having to go a fair distance to get it though. AND with them not moving the date.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Rossm on May 15, 2021, 02:00:30 PM
Will have to watch the match later as I'm visiting the wife in hospital with a broken hip following a fall. I've been a member of the double jab club since late April.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Chunky24 on May 15, 2021, 02:40:58 PM
Sirker, Curran and Eckersely among the "travelling" replacements according to BB.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: WonkyWasp on May 15, 2021, 02:46:33 PM
Ross - hope Mrs Ross recovers well and soon.  Sympathy to her.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: DGP Wasp on May 15, 2021, 02:49:50 PM
Hard to believe, but a 5 point win today would actually put us 6th (for at least half an hour).

Let's get some daylight between the teams. Anything less than a 20 point margin with 10 minutes to go and my nerves will not cope!
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: RogerE on May 15, 2021, 02:53:13 PM
Another double jab club member here.

Anything less than a 20 point lead with 3 minutes to go will leave me biting my finger nails.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: coddy on May 15, 2021, 02:59:16 PM
Just 5 mins to go and chores all done.

Cant wait to see how Fekitoa and Odogwu perform at their second attempt, great going forward last week but very weak defencibly.

Still, Billy Searle is no Marcus Smith so I expect a much better performace from them this week.


COYW
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: JF on May 15, 2021, 03:00:39 PM
Oh great, BT Sport app on the phone now refusing to work. AAARRRGGHH!!
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: JonnyD on May 15, 2021, 03:04:53 PM
Saw Eckersley and Curran last week as part of the reserves - Eckersley is a year younger than Alfie I believe so good luck to him - would be tough if one the hookers picked up a knock before Cruse is back.
Sirker really cannot be far away from a game with Kibiriges form - thought it could have come today.

Regular updates welcome on here as I cannot see the game today as BFBS aren’t showing any rugby today
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: RogerE on May 15, 2021, 03:09:52 PM
Wasps 7 (Shields try) Wus 3 (penalty)
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on May 15, 2021, 03:10:56 PM

Regular updates welcome on here as I cannot see the game today as BFBS aren’t showing any rugby today

Where are you?
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: BG on May 15, 2021, 03:17:42 PM
Tap and go by Wasps on Wuss 5m line repelled by Wuss
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: BG on May 15, 2021, 03:20:24 PM
So far game being played in Wuss 22
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on May 15, 2021, 03:21:03 PM
Radio commentary here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/rugby-union/57009992
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: JonnyD on May 15, 2021, 03:22:02 PM

Regular updates welcome on here as I cannot see the game today as BFBS aren’t showing any rugby today


Where are you?

Down in the Falklands - on the green list now at least

Cheers for the radio link - working so far.
Seems like we’ve left a few out there already with the tap and gos
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: BG on May 15, 2021, 03:24:37 PM
Scrum pen.. another tap and go.. Biyi drops it 1m out.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on May 15, 2021, 03:25:00 PM

Regular updates welcome on here as I cannot see the game today as BFBS aren’t showing any rugby today


Where are you?

Its a long time since I was there, coming up to 39 years.

If you're interested this guy does a good OTD and his book on the Argie invasion and NP8901 is a good read.



Down in the Falklands - on the green list now at least

Cheers for the radio link - working so far.
Seems like we’ve left a few out there already with the tap and gos

https://twitter.com/FirstFalklands

Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on May 15, 2021, 03:28:31 PM
Looks like they're playing with a bar of soap
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: westwaleswasp on May 15, 2021, 03:31:27 PM
We should be miles ahead.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: BG on May 15, 2021, 03:36:31 PM
Its piss.. persistently raining.

Wuss are camped in their own half. Astute kicking by Robson.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: JonnyD on May 15, 2021, 03:39:23 PM
Tactical with Alo? First game back - give him a burst and get Jeff on?

Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Steve from Cov on May 15, 2021, 03:40:56 PM
Just switched on - Why was Alo subbed?
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: RogerE on May 15, 2021, 03:45:21 PM
10 - 3
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Chunky24 on May 15, 2021, 03:50:18 PM
Tactical with Alo? First game back - give him a burst and get Jeff on?

A few sides doing this now, Italy in 6 nations for example, start one for 20 to 30 minutes then bring on another prop knowing if need be the first can come back later.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: RogerE on May 15, 2021, 03:50:59 PM
13-3 @ 38 mins
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: JonnyD on May 15, 2021, 03:53:51 PM
Could do with the weather to relax to push on for four tries
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: RogerE on May 15, 2021, 03:54:02 PM
Half Time
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Jack9909 on May 15, 2021, 03:54:46 PM
Tempest making it up so far (both directions)

We have been so dominant but just need to keep being patient and the points will come. Liked the decision to take the 2 kicks at goal towards end of the half after previous tap and goes didn't work... are we finally learning how to manage a game?
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Chunky24 on May 15, 2021, 03:58:05 PM
Look forward to Hougard at 9 in the rain and Dan when it's dry next season!
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on May 15, 2021, 04:01:10 PM
Couple of errors from Charlie but overall he's looking good in that position. He's certainly a brave lad.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: RogerE on May 15, 2021, 04:05:58 PM
Currently Leicester 21-12 up, come on Quins!

(never thought I'd say that!)
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: RogerE on May 15, 2021, 04:12:53 PM
13-6
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: RogerE on May 15, 2021, 04:15:42 PM
16 - 3
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: RogerE on May 15, 2021, 04:18:49 PM
Try Worcester
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Jack9909 on May 15, 2021, 04:19:26 PM
Very soft defence at the back of the lineout
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: RogerE on May 15, 2021, 04:19:43 PM
16 - 13
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on May 15, 2021, 04:23:12 PM
Wheels coming off!
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: RogerE on May 15, 2021, 04:23:57 PM
16 - 16
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Steve from Cov on May 15, 2021, 04:26:40 PM
Pants.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Jack9909 on May 15, 2021, 04:27:14 PM
Worcester on track to score 40 points in the second half at this rate.

Discipline is shocking and we've completely lost control of this, need to change something
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: JF on May 15, 2021, 04:28:17 PM
The sun comes out and we are falling apart. Are we part-vampire?
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on May 15, 2021, 04:29:03 PM
Tempest making the point to Brad - We're killing ourselves with these penalties.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Jack9909 on May 15, 2021, 04:30:50 PM
Gonna be a red for Morris.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: JF on May 15, 2021, 04:33:04 PM
That's a bit harsh, the Wuss player got bounced into Morris who would have had to have foresight to be able to move out of the way.

But rules is rules...
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: JonnyD on May 15, 2021, 04:33:09 PM
Well we’ve dodged these sort of red cards for a while now and had lots against us - which of course hasn’t benefited us at all playing against 14 or 13.

Hopefully this will galvanise us now
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Jack9909 on May 15, 2021, 04:34:38 PM
A potential yellow for their prop could remove Scrum dominance for us as it would go uncontested
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: MarleyWasp on May 15, 2021, 04:35:45 PM
Weak from Tempest giving the Worcester tighthead a warning. He already warned him in the first half.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on May 15, 2021, 04:46:57 PM
Drop goal?
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Jack9909 on May 15, 2021, 04:51:16 PM
How is that another warning? He has to go to the bin!
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Marlow Nick on May 15, 2021, 04:56:33 PM
Commentators obviously as confused as me. It was the same maul and Hougaard came in from the side but ref decides it was a breakaway and no longer a maul hence truck and trailer???
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Chunky24 on May 15, 2021, 04:58:52 PM
Commentators obviously as confused as me. It was the same maul and Hougaard came in from the side but ref decides it was a breakaway and no longer a maul hence truck and trailer???

Wasps needed to take a wuss player with them for it to be the same maul, unfortunately it was obstruction when they broke off.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: BdeB on May 15, 2021, 05:00:37 PM
Tempest desperate for Worcester to win this.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: JonnyD on May 15, 2021, 05:01:10 PM
Up after 77 mins again then concede lots of penalties to concede territory - squeaky bum time again
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: JF on May 15, 2021, 05:01:36 PM
77 mins - squeaky bum time.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on May 15, 2021, 05:03:47 PM
Can i breathe now?
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Marlow Nick on May 15, 2021, 05:04:05 PM
Commentators obviously as confused as me. It was the same maul and Hougaard came in from the side but ref decides it was a breakaway and no longer a maul hence truck and trailer???

Wasps needed to take a wuss player with them for it to be the same maul, unfortunately it was obstruction when they broke off.

So 8f all the Worcester players decided to disengage then the maul ends, Worcester then step in again and Wasps get penalised? Shades of the Italian ruck debacle?
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: JonnyD on May 15, 2021, 05:05:12 PM
That’s a relief....

Probably any other team than Worcester would have had us there
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Steve from Cov on May 15, 2021, 05:05:32 PM
Painful viewing I’m afraid.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Chunky24 on May 15, 2021, 05:06:26 PM
Commentators obviously as confused as me. It was the same maul and Hougaard came in from the side but ref decides it was a breakaway and no longer a maul hence truck and trailer???

Wasps needed to take a wuss player with them for it to be the same maul, unfortunately it was obstruction when they broke off.

So 8f all the Worcester players decided to disengage then the maul ends, Worcester then step in again and Wasps get penalised? Shades of the Italian ruck debacle?

If the ball is at the back in that situation they would be told to move it away or break off before being penalised, if the ball at the front they could carry on driving.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: westwaleswasp on May 15, 2021, 05:08:59 PM
Should have won it much more easily.
Harsh by Tempest on the penultimate scrum.
We were responsible for a total refusal to give the ball air in the first half when camped on their line.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Jack9909 on May 15, 2021, 05:14:04 PM
Thought the fekitoa/odogwu partnership really struggled s today.

We clearly tried to play a lot of 9 and Dan was excellent, but every time Jacob got the ball he seemed to look for content and more often than not got smashed backwards or turned over.

Possibly a decision due to the conditions to keep it tight but if you don't give your Outside backs the ball it's going to be difficult to create chances.

Lucky win in the end
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on May 15, 2021, 05:15:22 PM
Just back from jab time. Is it worth watching on Prem Rugby later?
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Steve from Cov on May 15, 2021, 05:20:11 PM
Should have won it much more easily.
Harsh by Tempest on the penultimate scrum.
We were responsible for a total refusal to give the ball air in the first half when camped on their line.

Thought that scrum penalty decision was wrong. Their scrum was reversing.

The only reason the scrum wheeled round is their loose head went to ground.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Wombles on May 15, 2021, 05:27:08 PM
Just back from jab time. Is it worth watching on Prem Rugby later?

I'd watch the highlights buddy, there wont be many as it was not a good game at all.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on May 15, 2021, 05:28:02 PM
Just back from jab time. Is it worth watching on Prem Rugby later?

I'd watch the highlights buddy, there wont be many as it was not a good game at all.

Ta
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: WonkyWasp on May 15, 2021, 05:28:58 PM
Liked the first half.  Ten minutes into the second half  I had to go away into another room till 5 minutes from the end - and  even that was nerve-racking.  But at least the team made it.  Just.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Shugs on May 15, 2021, 07:36:10 PM
That falls firmly into the "a win is a win" category. Got across the line. West, JTA, Shields and Young were great.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Heathen on May 15, 2021, 07:51:29 PM
How many kickable penalties did we turn down in search of a 5/7 pointer?

We were in a position at the start of the game where 4 wins from 4 would probably give us a top 8 finish. IMHO we really need to take each game as KO rugby and points accumulation should be paramount. How many tap and gos' and kick to the corner failed? I reckon we could have had at least another 12 points. That would have settled the nerves and allowed us to play more controlled rugby.

For the next game - (I know I don't pick the team!!) I would have Taylor starting, Jimmy at 12, Malakai 13 and Paolo 14.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Shugs on May 15, 2021, 07:56:02 PM
Definitely agree with that back line and I'd add Miller at 15.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on May 15, 2021, 07:59:18 PM
Definitely agree with that back line and I'd add Miller at 15.

Agreed
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: wasps on May 15, 2021, 08:21:13 PM

We had real scrum dominance early. Maybe Alo is a suitable scrummaging replacement for Brookes (he seems more of a wrecker around the park too)

However, we also had dominance after Alo went off, so maybe they had just had a weakish scrum


Jury out, but I'd like to see more
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: RogerE on May 15, 2021, 09:28:47 PM
Full match allready up on PRL site
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Chunky24 on May 17, 2021, 08:09:02 PM
Commentators obviously as confused as me. It was the same maul and Hougaard came in from the side but ref decides it was a breakaway and no longer a maul hence truck and trailer???

Wasps needed to take a wuss player with them for it to be the same maul, unfortunately it was obstruction when they broke off.

So 8f all the Worcester players decided to disengage then the maul ends, Worcester then step in again and Wasps get penalised? Shades of the Italian ruck debacle?

If the ball is at the back in that situation they would be told to move it away or break off before being penalised, if the ball at the front they could carry on driving.

This has just been perfectly explained in the Bristol game by CMK, if the maul is driving straight and the defenders detach the same maul can continue, if the attacking team choose to detach and "change lanes" then it is obstruction.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: MarleyWasp on May 17, 2021, 08:15:58 PM
In a parallel world Saturday's match is still going on. Worcester's replacement tighthead has just given away his 79,637th scrum penalty. Ian Tempest still hasn't sinbinned him.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Shugs on May 17, 2021, 09:56:48 PM
To be fair I don't think there was anything wrong with the 79,636th one.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: baldpaul101 on May 18, 2021, 11:36:40 AM
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For the next game - (I know I don't pick the team!!) I would have Taylor starting, Jimmy at 12, Malakai 13 and Paolo 14.

But then you don't have the experienced heads (including Miller) to bring on the close out the game....
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: DGP Wasp on May 18, 2021, 12:38:05 PM
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For the next game - (I know I don't pick the team!!) I would have Taylor starting, Jimmy at 12, Malakai 13 and Paolo 14.

But then you don't have the experienced heads (including Miller) to bring on the close out the game....

I think Taylor, JTA, Gopperth and Miller on the bench with their less experienced counterparts starting was a very deliberate strategy to try and fix our inability to close out games.  Perhaps it contributed to our profligacy in the first half, but it meant we had some old heads on hand to see us through the final, nervy minutes.

I know one of the above conceded a needless, late penalty, but as a strategy, when the team has been faltering late in games, it makes sense to start the youngsters and bring on the experience.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Rossm on May 18, 2021, 01:22:39 PM
This may sound as blasphemy, but I am beginning to get worried by having Gopps on the bench. I really think this should be his final full season as a player. I do hope that we find a way to keep him. It would be a tragedy if he didn't stay in one form or another.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: DGP Wasp on May 18, 2021, 01:52:56 PM
This may sound as blasphemy, but I am beginning to get worried by having Gopps on the bench. I really think this should be his final full season as a player. I do hope that we find a way to keep him. It would be a tragedy if he didn't stay in one form or another.

I agree he's been looking like his best years are now behind him.  Just not the same energy he brought to the game last season.  I think of the performance at Sarries last year where he led a very inexperienced team to a memorable win.  We all knew time would catch up with him in the end, but it seems to have happened very quickly as just 7-8 months ago he still looked in his prime and like he had a good couple of years still in the tank.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Shugs on May 18, 2021, 03:28:41 PM
I think part of the issue might be that he is coming off the bench. He's had no time to acclimatise to the pace of the game or work his way in to it. Some are better "finishers" than others. Gopperth looks to me like someone who likes to start and grow into the game. I think there's still another season in him - he can feasibly cover 10,12 and 15. Also, a lot of kicking responsibility will fall to Umaga next year. Maybe Jimmy can pick that up for the odd game.