Post by: RBB on May 15, 2019, 10:17:27 AM
His stats look okay but he hasn't had many starts, 15 stone and 5'9" and from what I read quick.
Post by: Rossm on May 15, 2019, 10:20:39 AM
Post by: Rory87 on May 15, 2019, 10:24:13 AM
He's seemed a prospect on the limited times I've seen him. But guess he has some notable players (Ashton, Jennings, Yarde, Solomona) ahead of him so maybe he's looking for gametime elsewhere.
I would take a punt on him. I think Sirker has another season in the Academy/A Team as part of his 2 yr transition to 15-a-side. So Odogwu would certainly add some depth to our wing options.
Post by: RBB on May 15, 2019, 10:25:10 AM
Post by: BG on May 15, 2019, 10:28:38 AM
Post by: Hymenoptera on May 15, 2019, 02:54:21 PM
Post by: jamestaylor002 on May 15, 2019, 05:12:19 PM
Post by: RBB on May 18, 2019, 09:55:57 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BxnhLtIHvy-/?igshid=u3adk6qhaczh
Post by: Vespula Vulgaris on May 18, 2019, 09:58:36 PM
Look at the colour coding on his Instagram, or am I reading too much into it?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BxnhLtIHvy-/?igshid=u3adk6qhaczh
Liked by Jack Willis...
Post by: Rossm on May 18, 2019, 09:59:26 PM
Look at the colour coding on his Instagram, or am I reading too much into it?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BxnhLtIHvy-/?igshid=u3adk6qhaczh
Sorry, I don't understand what you are talking about. ???
Post by: RBB on May 18, 2019, 10:00:53 PM
Post by: Rossm on May 18, 2019, 10:02:16 PM
Post by: Vespula Vulgaris on May 18, 2019, 10:03:15 PM
I see no black and gold - anywhere.Look towards the end of the description. Two emojis, one black, one gold.
Post by: RBB on May 18, 2019, 10:03:53 PM
Post by: coddy on May 18, 2019, 10:05:53 PM
Post by: RBB on May 18, 2019, 10:06:45 PM
Post by: Rossm on May 18, 2019, 10:18:46 PM
Post by: JonnyD on May 18, 2019, 10:36:58 PM
However he’s been way down the pecking order at Sale this year and i hope is not instead of Leyds.
Dai is talking about rebuilding the squad again, investing in young, EQPs is a good call and he’ll be a good option for us, probably as cover for either Watson or Minozzi. 3 tricky customers indeed.
Not much older than Umaga and Sirker so hopefully Dai is seeing the rebuild can be based around youth.
Still really hoping for Leyds
Post by: Green Wasp on May 19, 2019, 08:55:41 AM
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on May 19, 2019, 09:10:32 AM
I still have no idea what you are talking about. I see no colour coding, I see no emojis. I would post a screen shot if I could. But never mind, I'll take your word for it.
Here's a screenshot (I added the arrows - lol):
https://www.screencast.com/t/GD58vMSFtt
Post by: AKWasp on May 19, 2019, 10:00:13 AM
Hope a bit of game time might unlock some more potential and judging by Wade’s improvement in his individual defence at Wasps, I’m sure there’s plenty of scope for him to improve
Post by: backdoc on May 19, 2019, 10:36:38 AM
Post by: Rory87 on May 19, 2019, 10:42:25 AM
I’m happy with this signing, a young EPQ who will be eager to unlock his full potential. Yes not broken into the Sale side but we have a track record of picking up players out of favour and turning their career around. As other have said, we’re going to be rebuilding now, so what better than a young English guy to come in and be a part of that.
Post by: Rossm on May 19, 2019, 11:53:02 AM
Odogwu isn't that fast, which is a problem.
Compared to what? From what little I've seen he seems pretty nippy to me.
Post by: RBB on May 19, 2019, 12:55:42 PM
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on May 19, 2019, 03:45:03 PM
Post by: Hymenoptera on May 19, 2019, 03:49:39 PM
Post by: JonnyD on May 19, 2019, 04:33:42 PM
A step backwards in recruitment if true.
Backwards on who? Ambrose Curtis?
An improvement on Wade would be very difficult but I think Minozzi is a good replacement there with Watson of course impressing recently.
I’m hoping Leyds will be the WLR replacement
Post by: Rory87 on May 19, 2019, 08:09:11 PM
A step backwards in recruitment if true.
I’m viewing him a squad player and nothing more. I think he’s worth a punt, see if we can get the best out of him.
Post by: RBB on May 19, 2019, 08:19:27 PM
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on May 19, 2019, 08:33:04 PM
A step backwards in recruitment if true.
A bit of a negative comment; glass half empty. I am sure the same could be said of a lot of players when they moved to the club where they suddenly clicked and lit their game up. We cannot rely on Galacticos, expensive imports. We can infill with them. You remember how a young Joe Launchbury wasn't good enough for Harlequins? When he wasn't offered a contract with them, he couldn't get a slot at any big team, so he played for Worthing.
Post by: mike909 on May 19, 2019, 09:38:50 PM
He looks more like Jack Nowell. Very busy and hard to catch. Making the hard yards.
Yeah - that was my thought too - and sometimes players need the change to move their play on. I think we can make Odogwu a player people won't want to play against - like Roko is, a real pain to play against and does a load of work for the team
I think we've been spoilt over the years - Wade was the best winger never to get an international chance - comparing anyone to him is futile - but comparing Odogwu to a player like Cueto is a decent comparison.
If we end up with Watson, Bassett, Odogwu and Sirker as options for the first team, we're not exactly short on class at wing.
Post by: BG on May 20, 2019, 08:56:25 AM
A step backwards in recruitment if true.
A bit of a negative comment; glass half empty. I am sure the same could be said of a lot of players when they moved to the club where they suddenly clicked and lit their game up. We cannot rely on Galacticos, expensive imports. We can infill with them. You remember how a young Joe Launchbury wasn't good enough for Harlequins? When he wasn't offered a contract with them, he couldn't get a slot at any big team, so he played for Worthing.
Sometimes circumstances don't work out for a player at a club (for a multitude of reasons). I think (if true) he will be a good signing and hopefully a change of scenery and personnel will work for him and us.
Rugby players aren't lightblulbs.. then can't simply be screwed into the socket and turned on and off. Its up to the management and coaches to get the best out of them in whatever way they can.
The best example I can think of is Olly Woodburn. At Bath he didn't seem to shine (lightbulb analogy) and Bath let him go. Now he's a regular and important cog in the 2nd best team in England .
If the clock was turned back a few years and there were rumours of us signing Woodburn from Bath then I'd support the signing and get behind him and hope he does really well for himself and us.. the same goes for Odogwu
Post by: Vespula Vulgaris on May 20, 2019, 09:07:26 AM
Post by: westwaleswasp on May 20, 2019, 09:39:33 AM
Post by: Hymenoptera on May 20, 2019, 06:55:36 PM
A step backwards in recruitment if true.
A bit of a negative comment; glass half empty. I am sure the same could be said of a lot of players when they moved to the club where they suddenly clicked and lit their game up. We cannot rely on Galacticos, expensive imports. We can infill with them. You remember how a young Joe Launchbury wasn't good enough for Harlequins? When he wasn't offered a contract with them, he couldn't get a slot at any big team, so he played for Worthing.
I never offered alternatives or comparisons, especially galacticos as you put it, nor have i written anybody off. Launchbury was 18 when dumped by Quins, odogwu is on his second professional contract with plenty of premiership experience and about 23, I see no parallels to your examples, but moving on...
My statement is solely based on having seem him play for Sale many times. If he has learn't catch, tackle, beat defenders and avoid the touchline, then he'll be a decent squad player. If he hasn't improved. then our wing offerings are no better than they are today. I also cannot comment on his value Vs cost or his stature in the wasp team, squad player or starter, as I am not into making assumptions and none of this alters the facts as stated above.
I have no opinion good or bad on any players I haven't seen, such a Jeffrey Toomaga Allen. Some people say he's not very good, I'll reserve judgement on this piece of recruitment until I see him myself. I will though offer my judgement on people I have seen play.
Post by: AKWasp on May 21, 2019, 07:30:30 AM
Ashton
Solomona
Yarde (I know he’s been injured)
McGuigan
With those players ahead of him, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was his choice to leave, thinking he needs game time sooner rather than waiting for those players to move on.
Post by: Rossm on May 21, 2019, 08:32:03 AM
Post by: mike909 on May 21, 2019, 10:19:26 AM
The problem with being a wing is that you are rarely on the bench. You don't start then you don't play. How then do you climb up the pecking ladder? Injured men's boots. There really are no league games where a DoR can experiment. Far too much at stake. Everybody who calls for our 'youngsters' to be given a shot don't seem to remember this or, as their jobs are not at risk, don't care.
100%, only those wings who are also full backs or can cover 13 too will get bench time - however much I want Miller to start - the temptation to have on the bench a player who covers 10/15 plus is high and a player like Paolo is an out and out winger - perhaps some game development at 15 would not be wasted.
You are right about people's jobs - hence Miller on the bench....but sooner or later I do hope we see some academy players given a chance not just due to injury
Post by: WallyWasp on May 21, 2019, 12:03:45 PM
The problem with being a wing is that you are rarely on the bench. You don't start then you don't play. How then do you climb up the pecking ladder? Injured men's boots. There really are no league games where a DoR can experiment. Far too much at stake. Everybody who calls for our 'youngsters' to be given a shot don't seem to remember this or, as their jobs are not at risk, don't care.
100%, only those wings who are also full backs or can cover 13 too will get bench time - however much I want Miller to start - the temptation to have on the bench a player who covers 10/15 plus is high and a player like Paolo is an out and out winger - perhaps some game development at 15 would not be wasted.
You are right about people's jobs - hence Miller on the bench....but sooner or later I do hope we see some academy players given a chance not just due to injury
I suspect if Dai's comments about finances are anything to go by we may jsut be seeing that sooner than expected. No bad thing if we are indeed pressing the reset button!
Post by: mike909 on May 21, 2019, 12:21:18 PM
Yep - with the squad as expected, a number of academy players will get game time - but hopefully at least partly planned!
We can press reset partly by having Daly and Hughes gone and starting with those new to the club who have really bought in like Brookes seems to have - really looking like he is loving the shirt and good on him. A small period of stability in the mid field would be rather good too!
Post by: Neils on May 21, 2019, 03:06:48 PM
Post by: mike909 on May 21, 2019, 05:30:16 PM
Remember Booj was injured and knackered after being thrown into the first team. Having rested up and built up during the second half of the season he should be good value onwards. Neal to my mind was superb.
I'm 100% behind Booj, poor sod was having to play as no one else was left standing - looking forwards to next season. I really liked Neal and his attitude - wanting to play A games and every time I saw him he gave 100%. Again, someone else I'd like to see more of in a planned way.....
Post by: wasps on June 05, 2019, 02:05:20 PM
Post by: Rossm on June 05, 2019, 02:15:11 PM
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on June 05, 2019, 02:15:36 PM
Post by: Trevs Big Tackle on June 05, 2019, 02:16:27 PM
So, all we are waiting for is for news on Umaga, Kibirigi and maybe Leyds? Unless I missed something?
Coaches! :-X
Post by: Rossm on June 05, 2019, 02:28:31 PM
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on June 05, 2019, 02:44:37 PM
So, all we are waiting for is for news on Umaga, Kibirigi and maybe Leyds? Unless I missed something?
Coaches! :-X
I think we can rely on www.coach-leasing.co.uk (http://www.coach-leasing.co.uk) for those ;D ;D ;D
Post by: Westy68 on June 05, 2019, 02:57:55 PM
So, all we are waiting for is for news on Umaga, Kibirigi and maybe Leyds? Unless I missed something?
I think the chances of getting Leyds have lessened now confirmation of Odogwu.
Shame would like to have seen leyds, feel odogwu will find it difficult to secure a starting spot. What I have seen of him isn’t getting me excited but let’s see what next season brings.
Going through the wasps squad and only a handful of players are exciting me. Let’s hope the coaching set up gets the max out of them
Post by: Neils on June 05, 2019, 03:16:38 PM
Post by: baldpaul101 on June 05, 2019, 03:31:54 PM
WLR, Daly, Wade, Sops, Gopps?
None of them excited anyone very much during the actual season did they?
Lets see what the team can actually do before writing them of, I'm happy enough for a team not to be full of exciting individuals if they can produce decent rugby as a unit.
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on June 05, 2019, 04:42:51 PM
Well, if my maths is correct, then we now have a squad of 45.
I make it 46?
#1 ( 4 ): Ben Harris, Simon McIntyre, Tom West, Zurabi Zhvania
#2 ( 4 ): Tom Cruse, Ashley Johnson, Tommy Taylor, Gabriel Oghre
#3 ( 5 ): Kieran Brookes, Biyi Alo, Mike Daniels, Jack Owlett, Jeffery Toomaga-Allen
#4/5 ( 7 ): Marcus Garratt, James Gaskell, Will Rowlands, Joe Launchbury, Charlie Matthews, Theo Vukasinovic, Tim Cardall
#6/7/8 ( 8 ): Nizaam Carr, Ben Morris, Alex Rieder, Brad Shields, Jack Willis, Thomas Young, Sione Vailanu, Tom Willis
#9 ( 3 ): Dan Robson, Ben Vellacott, Will Porter
#10 ( 2 ): Billy Searle, Lima Sopoaga
#11/14 ( 4 ): Josh Bassett, Marcus Watson, Paolo Odogwu, Callum Sirker
#12/13 ( 6 ): Juan de Jongh, Jimmy Gopperth, Michael Le Bourgeois, Ross Neal, Malakai Fekitoa, Sam Spink
#15 ( 3 ): Rob Miller, Matteo Minozzi, Owain James
That's 10 incoming if you count Alo and 7 from the Academy. 29 retained.
Given that Searle will be out for a while, and we don't know the situation with Robson, to my mind that leaves us a little light across the backs and maybe at Tighthead.
Post by: Lwasp on June 05, 2019, 04:58:12 PM
Up the numbers and cut the quality? If we are up to the cap only choice we have surely.
Post by: Rossm on June 05, 2019, 05:04:57 PM
Well, if my maths is correct, then we now have a squad of 45.
I make it 46?
#1 ( 4 ): Ben Harris, Simon McIntyre, Tom West, Zurabi Zhvania
#2 ( 4 ): Tom Cruse, Ashley Johnson, Tommy Taylor, Gabriel Oghre
#3 ( 5 ): Kieran Brookes, Biyi Alo, Mike Daniels, Jack Owlett, Jeffery Toomaga-Allen
#4/5 ( 7 ): Marcus Garratt, James Gaskell, Will Rowlands, Joe Launchbury, Charlie Matthews, Theo Vukasinovic, Tim Cardall
#6/7/8 ( 8 ): Nizaam Carr, Ben Morris, Alex Rieder, Brad Shields, Jack Willis, Thomas Young, Sione Vailanu, Tom Willis
#9 ( 3 ): Dan Robson, Ben Vellacott, Will Porter
#10 ( 2 ): Billy Searle, Lima Sopoaga
#11/14 ( 4 ): Josh Bassett, Marcus Watson, Paolo Odogwu, Callum Sirker
#12/13 ( 5 ): Juan de Jongh, Jimmy Gopperth, Michael Le Bourgeois, Ross Neal, Malakai Fekitoa, Sam Spink
#15 ( 3 ): Rob Miller, Matteo Minozzi, Owain James
That's 10 incoming if you count Alo and 7 from the Academy. 29 retained.
Given that Searle will be out for a while, and we don't know the situation with Robson, to my mind that leaves us a little light across the backs and maybe at Tighthead.
Well, counting your totals Nelly, then I still make it 45. Ah, I see an error. 12/13, you have a total of 5 but in fact there are 6 names listed. So 46 it is.
Post by: Westy68 on June 05, 2019, 05:15:33 PM
But Westy, when you looked at the squad at the beginning of last season, who excited you then?
WLR, Daly, Wade, Sops, Gopps?
None of them excited anyone very much during the actual season did they?
Lets see what the team can actually do before writing them of, I'm happy enough for a team not to be full of exciting individuals if they can produce decent rugby as a unit.
The problem is Baldpaul for me 4 players down from the previous season, Gopperth, Daly, WLR and Wade and we really struggled. It is a concern but as I said hopefully the coaching set can get us playing like a team but I’m nervous
Post by: Neils on June 05, 2019, 05:18:40 PM
Well, if my maths is correct, then we now have a squad of 45.
I make it 46?
#1 ( 4 ): Ben Harris, Simon McIntyre, Tom West, Zurabi Zhvania
#2 ( 4 ): Tom Cruse, Ashley Johnson, Tommy Taylor, Gabriel Oghre
#3 ( 5 ): Kieran Brookes, Biyi Alo, Mike Daniels, Jack Owlett, Jeffery Toomaga-Allen
#4/5 ( 7 ): Marcus Garratt, James Gaskell, Will Rowlands, Joe Launchbury, Charlie Matthews, Theo Vukasinovic, Tim Cardall
#6/7/8 ( 8 ): Nizaam Carr, Ben Morris, Alex Rieder, Brad Shields, Jack Willis, Thomas Young, Sione Vailanu, Tom Willis
#9 ( 3 ): Dan Robson, Ben Vellacott, Will Porter
#10 ( 2 ): Billy Searle, Lima Sopoaga
#11/14 ( 4 ): Josh Bassett, Marcus Watson, Paolo Odogwu, Callum Sirker
#12/13 ( 5 ): Juan de Jongh, Jimmy Gopperth, Michael Le Bourgeois, Ross Neal, Malakai Fekitoa, Sam Spink
#15 ( 3 ): Rob Miller, Matteo Minozzi, Owain James
That's 10 incoming if you count Alo and 7 from the Academy. 29 retained.
Given that Searle will be out for a while, and we don't know the situation with Robson, to my mind that leaves us a little light across the backs and maybe at Tighthead.
Nice work. More than I thought.
The question of Billy and fitness is worrying for the season ahead. With an injury apparently similar to Sam Jones it is going to take him well beyond season start to come back which leaves us very very light at 10.
Dan, hopefully comes back, could also be out for an extended period leaving us a bit light there too.
I look at the list and wonder about winger strength (even with Ross actually being quite good). All it needs is one injury (or Josh attracking more England attention) and we are bare bones time.
I am actually quite excited to see what this lot can do.
Anyone know when Wasps pre-season training starts (I see Coventry are back this week).
Post by: westwaleswasp on June 05, 2019, 05:42:33 PM
I think we are hopeful in some areas of the squad- hopeful our first choices don't cop a Jimmy/Billy, or hopeful that combinations can be found.
I am excited to see Vellacott, ditto Fekitoa, although nervous too. Of the current squad I am excited by the front row, as much as anyone can be (sorry to any props/hookers here), and the back row looks great. Just hoping we are going to play some in the backs.
Post by: Shugs on June 05, 2019, 07:45:21 PM
Post by: RBB on June 05, 2019, 08:46:27 PM
If you think about our wing challenge last year, CW = left/retired from Rugby Union, MW = easily injured in the earlier part of the season, RN = makeshift but did well and JB = overplayed and worked too hard. I think we need a natural wing as cover and although raw, Dai sees something in him. As stated previously out and out wingers rarely provide bench cover, so his chances will be limited but he will I hope get chances and needs to seize them.
I am reasonably content with this signing.
Post by: mike909 on June 05, 2019, 11:13:43 PM
I think I can safely claim this scoop?
If you think about our wing challenge last year, CW = left/retired from Rugby Union, MW = easily injured in the earlier part of the season, RN = makeshift but did well and JB = overplayed and worked too hard. I think we need a natural wing as cover and although raw, Dai sees something in him. As stated previously out and out wingers rarely provide bench cover, so his chances will be limited but he will I hope get chances and needs to seize them.
I am reasonably content with this signing.
Me too. We saw the impact of playing too many games on MleB last season when he had to shoulder a lot of responsibility and game time too early in his Wasps career - so wing cover is a good thing as rotation ought be used to keep people fresh
Post by: BG on June 06, 2019, 09:13:58 AM
He grasped the opportunity with both hands (I hope he gets more game time at 13 next season) so I'm hoping Paolo (there must be a story behind that name - was mum or dad a fan of Paolo Rossi?) will do the same and make the most of the new challenge. He has all the athletic and physical attributes a winger needs.. does he have what's necessary between the ears to succeed.
Post by: welsh wasp on June 06, 2019, 06:08:39 PM
Post by: Raggs on June 06, 2019, 07:32:49 PM
Post by: BG on June 07, 2019, 12:03:19 PM
He stood Holmes up.. Holmes gave him the outside and Watson took it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMYV1My0KmY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMYV1My0KmY)