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Title: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 01:02:07 PM
Started early as we have a change - Mills ill so Booj starts.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Rossm on January 23, 2022, 01:04:03 PM
Started early as we have a change - Mills ill so Booj starts.

I've posted a duplicate, so I'll remove it.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 01:09:01 PM
👍
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Steve from Cov on January 23, 2022, 01:09:44 PM
Started early as we have a change - Mills ill so Booj starts.

Typical luck.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 01:10:51 PM
Seeing on Wasps Twatter picture over Limerick- weather looking OK. Pictures of the lads warming up/ trying passing in the hotel car park.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 01:14:56 PM
Also if fit would have thought Jimmy might be slotted in but sounds as if he is a bit broke.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Shugs on January 23, 2022, 01:16:18 PM
I know it’s illness this time but dear oh dear I’m starting to think Mills is just one of those players. As it happens Le Bourgeois might not be a bad option in Munster.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 01:18:40 PM
Started early as we have a change - Mills ill so Booj starts.

I've posted a duplicate, so I'll remove it.

Ffs seriously can mills go a week without having a problem. Now we are missing Alfie, Tom, Fifita and Mills, which would have given us a chance. Now we will not have a good defensive line or getting the ball out wide as it will be dropped.

So we are now missing about 17 players again. 1 step forward 2 back. Not confident at all now and looks likely challenge cup. This season is starting to really irritate me
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on January 23, 2022, 01:38:48 PM
Started early as we have a change - Mills ill so Booj starts.

I've posted a duplicate, so I'll remove it.

Ffs seriously can mills go a week without having a problem. Now we are missing Alfie, Tom, Fifita and Mills, which would have given us a chance. Now we will not have a good defensive line or getting the ball out wide as it will be dropped.

So we are now missing about 17 players again. 1 step forward 2 back. Not confident at all now and looks likely challenge cup. This season is starting to really irritate me

Fifita has been unavailable now for more then two matches due to 'illness'? A bit odd, or are we to interpret 'illness' as Covid?
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: hopwood on January 23, 2022, 01:39:20 PM
Started early as we have a change - Mills ill so Booj starts.

I've posted a duplicate, so I'll remove it.

Ffs seriously can mills go a week without having a problem. Now we are missing Alfie, Tom, Fifita and Mills, which would have given us a chance. Now we will not have a good defensive line or getting the ball out wide as it will be dropped.

So we are now missing about 17 players again. 1 step forward 2 back. Not confident at all now and looks likely challenge cup. This season is starting to really irritate me

Hang on Westy, the game hasn’t even started yet.
The boys have found a way to win over the past few weeks (against the odds) so let’s give them an opportunity before we get too negative.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: hopwood on January 23, 2022, 01:47:36 PM
….but with Jacob out, it is frustrating to lose another playmaker.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 01:52:20 PM
Started early as we have a change - Mills ill so Booj starts.

I've posted a duplicate, so I'll remove it.

Ffs seriously can mills go a week without having a problem. Now we are missing Alfie, Tom, Fifita and Mills, which would have given us a chance. Now we will not have a good defensive line or getting the ball out wide as it will be dropped.

So we are now missing about 17 players again. 1 step forward 2 back. Not confident at all now and looks likely challenge cup. This season is starting to really irritate me

Hang on Westy, the game hasn’t even started yet.
The boys have found a way to win over the past few weeks (against the odds) so let’s give them an opportunity before we get too negative.

Yes but in both games we had a 12 controlling a hell of a lot. I really don’t mind if we don’t win today, as it could lead to a game against Leinster, which I would prefer to play later in the competition. Really keen to play Ulster
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Eezamarlowman on January 23, 2022, 01:55:12 PM
Ryan Mills out due to illness. If he didn’t have bad luck he would have no luck at all ! Not working out for him and Wasps it seems. Real shame all round
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: hopwood on January 23, 2022, 01:59:30 PM
Ryan Mills out due to illness. If he didn’t have bad luck he would have no luck at all ! Not working out for him and Wasps it seems. Real shame all round

Hang on. We have no idea what’s happened behind the scenes.
Let’s give the guy until the end of the season to prove his worth.
He could end up going on a run of games that sees us climb the table.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Eezamarlowman on January 23, 2022, 02:03:23 PM
You may be right Hopwood. Clock really ticking now though for me.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 02:08:18 PM
Ryan Mills out due to illness. If he didn’t have bad luck he would have no luck at all ! Not working out for him and Wasps it seems. Real shame all round

Hang on. We have no idea what’s happened behind the scenes.
Let’s give the guy until the end of the season to prove his worth.
He could end up going on a run of games that sees us climb the table.

Anyone got any ideas what illness has struck some of the players, Fifita has been out for 3 weeks, what kind of illness does that, is it something else
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 02:10:38 PM
Ooh Barnes giving Stade hooker a red card for swearing at him.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: hopwood on January 23, 2022, 02:12:47 PM
Well Mr Wayne Barnes has just given us a leg up.
It really feels like all the European referees this weekend are secret Wasps fans!!  :D :D

Stade Francais down to 14 men. Back chat leads to second yellow card. Therefore a red for the hooker.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 02:13:42 PM
Ooh Barnes giving Stade hooker a red card for swearing at him.

Rightly so, it was a 2nd yellow for swearing. I think he said I clearly got the f’ing ball and something else. Well done barnes
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 02:14:38 PM
Munster team changes
Dave Kilcoyne will not run out for his 200th appearance today as he is ruled out due to illness. Jeremy Loughman starts with Josh Wycherley at 17. Keith Earls also withdraws with a strain. Simon Zebo starts & Alex Kendellen comes in at 23.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: BrackenandMacken on January 23, 2022, 02:16:47 PM
It really feels like all the European referees this weekend are secret Wasps fans!!  :D :D


Please don't speak too soon, we've got 80 minutes of unpunished thuggery from Peter O Mahoney to suffer through yet!
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Shugs on January 23, 2022, 02:23:06 PM
Indeed. And Stade aren’t finished yet.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: coddy on January 23, 2022, 02:31:35 PM
How does Stade losing affect us?
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 02:33:54 PM
How does Stade losing affect us?

It means we really only need one point today to displace Cardiff (providing we don't lose by a bucketload).
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 02:35:01 PM
Getting very tight in the stade v Connacht game.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 02:35:28 PM
Oops Stade now 4 tries and still another 10 minutes
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 02:41:57 PM
Thanks Connacht!
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 02:42:11 PM
How does Stade losing affect us?

It means we really only need one point today to displace Cardiff (providing we don't lose by a bucketload).

I believe we need 1 point don’t lose by 20 points if stade win by 5 points, obviously less if stade win by more.

We now drop to 10th
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: hopwood on January 23, 2022, 02:43:00 PM
Connaught have just taken their foot off the gas.
Yet again.

They’re not fit enough.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 02:44:01 PM
Connaught have just taken their foot off the gas.
Yet again.

They’re not fit enough.

On plastic
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 02:47:20 PM
Stade need to win by more than 5 points
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 02:48:54 PM
Bloody Barnes
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 02:49:06 PM
Bloody hell off the post in the last 30 seconds
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 02:50:03 PM
Then successfully over
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 02:50:18 PM
Ok we need a minimum of 1 point and not lose by more then 19 points

Doesn’t really make that much of a difference only 1 point difference
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: hopwood on January 23, 2022, 02:51:11 PM
Ok we need a minimum of 1 point and not lose by more then 19 points

Thanks Westy. Good maths.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Shugs on January 23, 2022, 02:52:37 PM
Can’t rely on anyone else - let’s just go and do something in Munster.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 02:58:03 PM
Ok we need a minimum of 1 point and not lose by more then 19 points

Thanks Westy. Good maths.

It maybe 18 not sure who has scored the most try’s between us and Stade
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: coddy on January 23, 2022, 03:00:36 PM
Losing bonus point will see us through.

Try bonus point will see us through unless we lose by more than 19 points.


COYW
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 03:05:26 PM
The good thing is that Munster don’t need any points today, get a home leg in the 2nd last 16 game
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: hopwood on January 23, 2022, 03:10:00 PM
The good thing is that Munster don’t need any points today, get a home leg in the 2nd last 16 game

Yes, but if they get to 4th, don’t they then get home advantage in the quarters/semi?
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Shugs on January 23, 2022, 03:10:42 PM
Big day for Atkinson kicking.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 03:14:48 PM
Just saw a Wasps flag on telly
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 03:15:28 PM
Looks cold but dry
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Marlow Nick on January 23, 2022, 03:16:29 PM
Munster team changes
Dave Kilcoyne will not run out for his 200th appearance today as he is ruled out due to illness. Jeremy Loughman starts with Josh Wycherley at 17. Keith Earls also withdraws with a strain. Simon Zebo starts & Alex Kendellen comes in at 23.

So with Earls out Munster scrape the barrel and find... Zebo!
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: SilverShire on January 23, 2022, 03:29:18 PM
Ref misses obvious munster knock-on on Munster's 5m line and a clear high tackle on Carr...doesn't exactly bode well
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 03:32:17 PM
What the hell is Charlie doing 2 very bad mistakes
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Steve from Cov on January 23, 2022, 03:32:45 PM
Two mistakes from Atkinson. Silly.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: hopwood on January 23, 2022, 03:32:52 PM
This could be a long afternoon for us.

We do lack some ‘dog’ in our available players.
Hopefully Paulo can be a big point of difference and threat with his size and speed.

We can’t really expect Robson to be up to speed yet either.
And Atkinson is still so inexperienced too.

It’s going to be a difficult day….potentially.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Rossm on January 23, 2022, 03:34:33 PM
Can't get into the game at all
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 03:34:56 PM
The good thing is that Munster don’t need any points today, get a home leg in the 2nd last 16 game

Yes, but if they get to 4th, don’t they then get home advantage in the quarters/semi?

Already 4th, only teams who finish 1st and 2nd get home advantage in the 1/4
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: BrackenandMacken on January 23, 2022, 03:35:19 PM
Ref misses obvious munster knock-on on Munster's 5m line and a clear high tackle on Carr...doesn't exactly bode well

Couldn't have anything go against Munster now could we. May hurt the Irish TV numbers.

Can't help this is going to be an absolute pummelling.

Munster look very good but they don't need to have constant knock ons ignored to make sure they go through.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Shugs on January 23, 2022, 03:36:47 PM
Brrrgghhhh. Why?
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on January 23, 2022, 03:37:33 PM
We are getting mullered.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: FishingWasp on January 23, 2022, 03:37:42 PM
What is the final factor- if we lose by 19 then we will be the same points diff as SF. My reckoning is lose by 18 or less assuming we get a point of course.
Prepare for the roller coaster!!
COYW.
Note this was sitting on my phone from before ko
Looking academic at the momeent
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 03:37:57 PM
It goes to show how important Tom and Alfie are.

Charlie having a stinker, this is going to be a tough afternoon
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: hopwood on January 23, 2022, 03:38:04 PM
That’s a good try…but poor defensive setup.

Watson has only just come back too.
It’s all well getting these players back, but they will be rusty…and probably new to updated systems of play.
They all need game time, but we not get the result we need.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Covkid40 on January 23, 2022, 03:38:23 PM
Why isn’t Mills playing
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Shugs on January 23, 2022, 03:39:28 PM
It’s quite obvious already that we just don’t have the power to get a foothold here.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 03:40:43 PM
Why isn’t Mills playing

Ill
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: mike909 on January 23, 2022, 03:41:55 PM
Interesting that the ref is applying, so far, the ruck Laws....and quickly
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: hopwood on January 23, 2022, 03:42:48 PM
If we don’t get the result we need, at least we get to blood returning players in a high tempo game, against quality opposition.

Dan, Marcus, Tom West, Miller-mills, Paulo etc
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: hopwood on January 23, 2022, 03:46:48 PM
Well done Dan and the forwards.

O’Mahonney (spelling) always looks illegal.
Hate playing against him.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 03:48:35 PM
If we don’t get the result we need, at least we get to blood returning players in a high tempo game, against quality opposition.

Dan, Marcus, Tom West, Miller-mills, Paulo etc

This is a positive.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: mike909 on January 23, 2022, 03:49:04 PM
Lacking basic muscle and too many getting back to match sharpness.....but that will still be a bonus.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 03:49:36 PM
That is just far too easy and the mistakes are beyond the joke
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Shugs on January 23, 2022, 03:50:37 PM
Yeah, loads of mistakes from us. Too many to get anything from the game but let’s take the positives which is getting a few some game time.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 04:01:06 PM
Point that really needs correction - virtually every time the ball goes out Munster player goes down on one knee and water boys come on. Totally destroys any chance of continuity.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 04:01:34 PM
Tom Young looks bad.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 04:02:41 PM
Why is the TMO not looking at why Thomas Youngs has got a serious head injury. It’s a clear head on head from a Munster player
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 04:04:00 PM
Why is the TMO not looking at why Thomas Youngs has got a serious head injury. It’s a clear head on head from a Munster player

Just said that here. Thought it should have been pulled up to check at least.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: hopwood on January 23, 2022, 04:04:26 PM
Did Young get cleared out?
Why no replay?
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Rugbyintheblood on January 23, 2022, 04:05:10 PM
Did Young get cleared out?
Why no replay?

Clearly was a big knock to the head.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: InBetweenWasp on January 23, 2022, 04:05:30 PM
Didn’t see what happened…
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 04:06:37 PM
Did Young get cleared out?
Why no replay?

Because we can’t upset those bloody Irish teams. I just hope racing win this year
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: hopwood on January 23, 2022, 04:09:49 PM
Not even one replay!!
Such one eyed coverage.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: COYW15 on January 23, 2022, 04:13:40 PM
Get out the way referee!!!!
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: WonkyWasp on January 23, 2022, 04:14:07 PM
Thought it was only the French who didn't do replays
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: InBetweenWasp on January 23, 2022, 04:14:31 PM
Anyone got a clip of the Young incident?
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 04:17:21 PM
How can you not show a replay, really bad.

Charlie needs to calm down and focus on doing the basics well, he is not controlling the game for us.

I’m afraid we are missing our ball carriers and Gopperth.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: WonkyWasp on January 23, 2022, 04:17:48 PM
i do hope Thomas isn't too bad.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Steve from Cov on January 23, 2022, 04:18:13 PM
Awful first half. Atkinson hasn’t turned up and we are lightweight up front.

Time for a rollicking by Lee.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Shugs on January 23, 2022, 04:19:21 PM
Hope Young is OK. In terms of the first 40 we’re just 10% off in everything we’re doing. Passing, restart, line out, tackling, game management. I think we needed a try in that period before half time to try and squeeze out any sort of BP. The fundamental problem we have is that they are scoring with ease when they get in our 22 and we aren’t returning the favour. Quite pleased with Millar-Mills at scrum time and the carrying of Odogwu and Bassett. Good to have Robson back.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: InBetweenWasp on January 23, 2022, 04:20:39 PM
Replay here:

https://twitter.com/progressiverug/status/1485284003905220608?s=21

Not malicious, but clearly the 4 goes straight in (on his feet) and whacks Young head-on-head.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: BrackenandMacken on January 23, 2022, 04:25:23 PM
Replay here:

https://twitter.com/progressiverug/status/1485284003905220608?s=21

Not malicious, but clearly the 4 goes straight in (on his feet) and whacks Young head-on-head.

Thomas Young is over the ball and hasnt moved so there's no mitigation. 4 has come in at force and made direct contact with the head.

Can someone explain to me how that's not a red in today's environment?
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: hopwood on January 23, 2022, 04:26:25 PM
For me….that needs looking at.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Rossm on January 23, 2022, 04:27:27 PM
Replay here:

https://twitter.com/progressiverug/status/1485284003905220608?s=21

Not malicious, but clearly the 4 goes straight in (on his feet) and whacks Young head-on-head.

Thomas Young is over the ball and hasnt moved so there's no mitigation. 4 has come in at force and made direct contact with the head.

Can someone explain to me how that's not a red in today's environment?

Even if he's cited it will be no benefit to us. Hope Thomas is OK.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Shugs on January 23, 2022, 04:28:08 PM
No, I can’t explain it. Look at Young. That’s exactly why that sort of thing needs weeding out of the game - and not looking at it doesn’t help!
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 04:28:46 PM
It’s a clear red a player MUST take due care when entering the ruck. I feel so sorry for Youngs especially has it’s his last season for us. I should imagine he will be out for at least a few weeks
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Chunky24 on January 23, 2022, 04:30:27 PM
For me the 2 of them arrive almost instantaneously so no card.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: InBetweenWasp on January 23, 2022, 04:32:13 PM
For me the 2 of them arrive almost instantaneously so no card.

Yep. It’s less than a second between each of them entering the ruck and both come in at speed at the same time.

A rugby incident.  I hope YY is ok - fingers crossed for him.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 04:34:20 PM
Does 10th get us into the Challenge Cip?
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on January 23, 2022, 04:36:57 PM
Who is down now? HIA I heard the ref say?
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on January 23, 2022, 04:37:50 PM
Tom West
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: mike909 on January 23, 2022, 04:38:01 PM
Who is down now? HIA I heard the ref say?
West
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 04:38:41 PM
Who is down now? HIA I heard the ref say?
Wesr

New signing - yeah
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: mike909 on January 23, 2022, 04:40:54 PM
Who is down now? HIA I heard the ref say?
Wesr

New signing - yeah

If it has been "Wear" and tear...
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 04:43:53 PM
Silly from Dan.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Rossm on January 23, 2022, 04:44:45 PM
Silly from Dan.

Frustration. Unnecessary yellow.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Rugbyintheblood on January 23, 2022, 04:47:16 PM
Look we just need 3 more tries, so it is still do-able.

(Glass half full).
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on January 23, 2022, 04:48:32 PM
Bassett hurts his hand, and TY in hospital already.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: MarleyWasp on January 23, 2022, 04:48:39 PM
Replay here:

https://twitter.com/progressiverug/status/1485284003905220608?s=21

Not malicious, but clearly the 4 goes straight in (on his feet) and whacks Young head-on-head.

It's questionable whether the Munster 4 should have been on the field after this a few minutes earlier: https://twitter.com/shrekwasp/status/1485286220049666053?t=QWimdX-dBeQgPGEPby4vcA&s=19
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 04:48:48 PM
Why are Munster allowed to flop over the ball, seriously we can’t challenge the ruck
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 04:49:49 PM
Bassett hurts his hand, and TY in hospital already.

And Tom West injured.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 04:52:50 PM
Maybe we have brought in too many players at once but this is a really poor performance
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 04:53:42 PM
Our Argentinian Prop is rather good.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Rossm on January 23, 2022, 04:54:00 PM
I'd keep Porter on. Leave Dobby out of this cluster f*ck.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 04:55:11 PM
I'd keep Porter on. Leave Dobby out of this cluster f*ck.

Agree
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 04:57:36 PM
I'd keep Porter on. Leave Dobby out of this cluster f*ck.

Agree

Me 2, the game is gone, just no more injuries now and go home and see how we get on next week
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Eezamarlowman on January 23, 2022, 04:58:43 PM
This is dire. Just hope there are no more injuries.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 05:01:08 PM
Why is Charlie constantly going into contact
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 05:02:15 PM
This is dire. Just hope there are no more injuries.

Too late
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 05:02:38 PM
Nizaam hamstring
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on January 23, 2022, 05:03:48 PM
Morris off for a HIA
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: InBetweenWasp on January 23, 2022, 05:04:47 PM
Replay here:

https://twitter.com/progressiverug/status/1485284003905220608?s=21

Not malicious, but clearly the 4 goes straight in (on his feet) and whacks Young head-on-head.

It's questionable whether the Munster 4 should have been on the field after this a few minutes earlier: https://twitter.com/shrekwasp/status/1485286220049666053?t=QWimdX-dBeQgPGEPby4vcA&s=19

I’m ok with this.  It’s neither forceful or really dangerous.  Get that it’s beyond the horizontal, but would have thought it very harsh if was the other way around and we got a card for that.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: InBetweenWasp on January 23, 2022, 05:05:49 PM
Why are Munster allowed to flop over the ball, seriously we can’t challenge the ruck

The ruck has been a mess all game.  But, we should know this by now.  The French refs officiate it very differently to the Prem refs.  It shouldn’t be a surprise to us.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: loverugby1979 on January 23, 2022, 05:06:05 PM
Morris off for a HIA

Buff. My goodness. It's a fucking mess.

Very bad luck ....
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Shugs on January 23, 2022, 05:08:07 PM
Current roll call is Young, West, Carr and Morris. Can we blow up now ref please.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on January 23, 2022, 05:09:47 PM
As things stood, 17 out, then add Mills, makes 18. Add 4 more. Makes 22 out.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 05:10:02 PM
Current roll call is Young, West, Carr and Morris. Can we blow up now ref please.

Should have had covid!
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Neils on January 23, 2022, 05:11:59 PM
Just said Tom is in hospital having scans
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 05:13:37 PM
That sums up Charlie’s game, really poor game
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 05:21:05 PM
Started early as we have a change - Mills ill so Booj starts.

I've posted a duplicate, so I'll remove it.

Ffs seriously can mills go a week without having a problem. Now we are missing Alfie, Tom, Fifita and Mills, which would have given us a chance. Now we will not have a good defensive line or getting the ball out wide as it will be dropped.

So we are now missing about 17 players again. 1 step forward 2 back. Not confident at all now and looks likely challenge cup. This season is starting to really irritate me

Hang on Westy, the game hasn’t even started yet.
The boys have found a way to win over the past few weeks (against the odds) so let’s give them an opportunity before we get too negative.

Unfortunately it was way to obvious
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on January 23, 2022, 05:23:04 PM
There were some key battles we lost in that game, but for me it was our back row was simply outclassed. Charlie is young, he will learn. He clearly is not fully fit, and his leg is bad enough that his kicking is quite bad.

Which the coaches would have known. So, we started that game without a kicker. At 10 12 we were again simply outclassed.

It is what it is. No regrets. The guys gave it their all. Yes, some decisions didn't go our way, but we didn't have a lot of possession, and what we had, we gave away cheaply. I will say it was a fair game that the ref had.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Shugs on January 23, 2022, 05:27:51 PM
Nothing cost us ref wise. We looked lightweight and disjointed which is no surprise really. Hopefully Atkinson will take the experience on board. Plenty of negatives, not least more injuries. Positives - I thought we did ok in the scrum and Martinez looks a find and Scholtz looks able to compete again. Thought Odogwu made yards when we got it to him. We missed a load of ballast and made too many simple errors. Take the experience, patch a few more up, move on.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Garuda on January 23, 2022, 05:47:13 PM
Painful to watch. My thoughts are with YY.  I don't know what else to say.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Rossm on January 23, 2022, 06:20:07 PM
Just said Tom is in hospital having scans

He's going to spend the night in hospital.

Lee said "He will stay in hospital overnight."  "He will have some more tests tomorrow. We will know a lot more tomorrow and the club will give a statement as soon as we know."
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: WonkyWasp on January 23, 2022, 06:42:22 PM
So very sorry for the team; it just seemed that everything was against them. and so sorry too for those who were injured.  Most sorry of all for YY and his family.   I hope he has a speedy and complete recovery.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Andywasp50 on January 23, 2022, 07:09:30 PM
Hope TY is going to be ok. Hopefully we’ll see him in a Wasps shirt again but I think the incident needs checking by the citing officer just for consistency in protecting players. Given what Umaga was sent off for last week for head on head I’m not sure that challenge was any better.

I think we just got exposed today with our lightweight backs. Atkinson was woeful - his decision making was atrocious and caused all sorts of problems. Things like trying to run it out of your own 22 with three Munster players closing in was plain daft. When I saw the starting backs included MLB and Watson, with Atkinson playing so badly, we were always going to be in trouble, but I was surprised at just how poor we were.

I don’t know why Gaskell and Young stopped and let Murray score the try as you always play the whistle. Ultimately we were outplayed from start to finish. Not sure how good Munster really are, but they dominated us physically and found loads of space. It’s not the end of the world though and we just need to limp through this season and hope injury fortunes improve - we certainly don’t seem to be having any luck this season.

As for Mills being out ill, you’ve got to wonder. Maybe back luck and hugely frustrating for him, but it’s becoming a bit of a farce and he seems so fragile its a question how long he’ll last if he ever does get on the pitch.

Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: SilverShire on January 23, 2022, 07:30:38 PM
Whilst Atkinson didn't have a good day in the office, I do agree with the commentators thoughts; He will learn from this!
I hope faith is kept in him and he isn't dropped from the squad next week. That would do more harm than good IMO
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: hopwood on January 23, 2022, 07:36:00 PM
Nothing cost us ref wise. We looked lightweight and disjointed which is no surprise really. Hopefully Atkinson will take the experience on board. Plenty of negatives, not least more injuries. Positives - I thought we did ok in the scrum and Martinez looks a find and Scholtz looks able to compete again. Thought Odogwu made yards when we got it to him. We missed a load of ballast and made too many simple errors. Take the experience, patch a few more up, move on.

Yes.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: hopwood on January 23, 2022, 07:41:09 PM
Hope TY is going to be ok. Hopefully we’ll see him in a Wasps shirt again but I think the incident needs checking by the citing officer just for consistency in protecting players. Given what Umaga was sent off for last week for head on head I’m not sure that challenge was any better.

I think we just got exposed today with our lightweight backs. Atkinson was woeful - his decision making was atrocious and caused all sorts of problems. Things like trying to run it out of your own 22 with three Munster players closing in was plain daft. When I saw the starting backs included MLB and Watson, with Atkinson playing so badly, we were always going to be in trouble, but I was surprised at just how poor we were.

I don’t know why Gaskell and Young stopped and let Murray score the try as you always play the whistle. Ultimately we were outplayed from start to finish. Not sure how good Munster really are, but they dominated us physically and found loads of space. It’s not the end of the world though and we just need to limp through this season and hope injury fortunes improve - we certainly don’t seem to be having any luck this season.

As for Mills being out ill, you’ve got to wonder. Maybe back luck and hugely frustrating for him, but it’s becoming a bit of a farce and he seems so fragile its a question how long he’ll last if he ever does get on the pitch.

Yes.
But disagree with the last bit.
When a player is returning from very long term injury, there’s all sorts of complications that can occur with our bodies, that we’re not all aware of.

Too early to judge a fellow human being. Let alone a fellow Wasp.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: wasps on January 23, 2022, 08:58:03 PM
Whilst Atkinson didn't have a good day in the office, I do agree with the commentators thoughts; He will learn from this!
I hope faith is kept in him and he isn't dropped from the squad next week. That would do more harm than good IMO

There's always too much expectation put on young players.

Last week, Atkinson was meant to be the saviour of Wasps given that so many had lost faith in Umaga.

A few weeks out for Umaga and it could well be role reversal.


Personally, I see young players who aren't finished articles. Therefore they'll have good days and bad days.
If they can cut out some of the bad days then they'll move up a level in quality
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Shugs on January 23, 2022, 09:04:58 PM
That’s correct - both Atkinson and Umaga are young. But they’ve both hot to improve quickly as we’ve nailed our colours to the mast with them. We don’t have other 10’s. One of the biggest things both have to work hard on is place kicking. Without Jimmy we risk leaving lots of points out there if they can’t.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 09:12:17 PM
Hope TY is going to be ok. Hopefully we’ll see him in a Wasps shirt again but I think the incident needs checking by the citing officer just for consistency in protecting players. Given what Umaga was sent off for last week for head on head I’m not sure that challenge was any better.

I think we just got exposed today with our lightweight backs. Atkinson was woeful - his decision making was atrocious and caused all sorts of problems. Things like trying to run it out of your own 22 with three Munster players closing in was plain daft. When I saw the starting backs included MLB and Watson, with Atkinson playing so badly, we were always going to be in trouble, but I was surprised at just how poor we were.

I don’t know why Gaskell and Young stopped and let Murray score the try as you always play the whistle. Ultimately we were outplayed from start to finish. Not sure how good Munster really are, but they dominated us physically and found loads of space. It’s not the end of the world though and we just need to limp through this season and hope injury fortunes improve - we certainly don’t seem to be having any luck this season.

As for Mills being out ill, you’ve got to wonder. Maybe back luck and hugely frustrating for him, but it’s becoming a bit of a farce and he seems so fragile its a question how long he’ll last if he ever does get on the pitch.

Yes.
But disagree with the last bit.
When a player is returning from very long term injury, there’s all sorts of complications that can occur with our bodies, that we’re not all aware of.

Too early to judge a fellow human being. Let alone a fellow Wasp.

It’s been 18 months if not longer of representing wasps only 7 times and I’m not sure playing a full 80 minutes. I would be surprised if he has much time left but I do hope he can step up and make it count, he does have the ability as long as he isn’t constantly missing games.

We have got to get a step up on MLB. No idea why spink was on the bench and MLB started
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Westy68 on January 23, 2022, 09:33:17 PM
That’s correct - both Atkinson and Umaga are young. But they’ve both hot to improve quickly as we’ve nailed our colours to the mast with them. We don’t have other 10’s. One of the biggest things both have to work hard on is place kicking. Without Jimmy we risk leaving lots of points out there if they can’t.

I think that’s the problem, we have to rely on them not to make too many mistakes. In 3/4 years time I except Charlie to be a pretty hot player, if he can learn from a quality 1st choice 10.

The pressure on the young players can be immense it can make them or break them but we can’t lose too many games as they are learning
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Rugbyintheblood on January 23, 2022, 10:05:33 PM
That’s correct - both Atkinson and Umaga are young. But they’ve both hot to improve quickly as we’ve nailed our colours to the mast with them. We don’t have other 10’s. One of the biggest things both have to work hard on is place kicking. Without Jimmy we risk leaving lots of points out there if they can’t.

Look I know this is going to sound really funny, especially given the past 2 years, but … Ryan Mills is an amazing kicker
https://youtu.be/aAt54eXle2U

Hopefully he’ll be ready next week?

Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: backdoc on January 23, 2022, 11:19:10 PM
That’s correct - both Atkinson and Umaga are young. But they’ve both hot to improve quickly as we’ve nailed our colours to the mast with them. We don’t have other 10’s. One of the biggest things both have to work hard on is place kicking. Without Jimmy we risk leaving lots of points out there if they can’t.

Look I know this is going to sound really funny, especially given the past 2 years, but … Ryan Mills is an amazing kicker
https://youtu.be/aAt54eXle2U

Hopefully he’ll be ready next week?

Is his foot back to normal?
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: Andywasp50 on January 24, 2022, 12:16:35 AM
That’s correct - both Atkinson and Umaga are young. But they’ve both hot to improve quickly as we’ve nailed our colours to the mast with them. We don’t have other 10’s. One of the biggest things both have to work hard on is place kicking. Without Jimmy we risk leaving lots of points out there if they can’t.

Look I know this is going to sound really funny, especially given the past 2 years, but … Ryan Mills is an amazing kicker
https://youtu.be/aAt54eXle2U

Hopefully he’ll be ready next week?

Is his foot back to normal?

Interesting that in the clip they say he was the “Warriors number 10”, I had no idea he could cover that position and it could be a real blessing.

I think it’s fair to say Atkinson is young and learning, but I struggle to apply that to Umaga who has been 10 for a couple of years now and should be better.
Title: Re: Match Thread
Post by: InBetweenWasp on January 24, 2022, 10:48:31 AM
I've not watched much of Munster this season or last (or perhaps longer) but always feel like they were a set-piece/territory dominant team without much by the way of attacking prowess in the backs.

Yesterday, they executed well in the backline.  Zebo's still got it.  The chip for their try was pinpoint.  Think we helped them look good a bit - at times it felt like all they had to do was run laterally and then cut through the gaping whole in our defensive line. 

That all being said, they looked incredibly vulnerable when we got into their 22 - It was penalty after penalty and some very cynical play at times.  I said to my Family at halftime, that I think it's one of the few games where I'd like to have seen us try and dominate territory rather than keep the ball in hand.