Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: RogerE on October 26, 2020, 11:35:05 AM
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All called up by Jones
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Congratulations lads.
Now Eddie...start using them!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54691879
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Congratulations lads.
Now Eddie...start using them!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54691879
Not abusing and wrecking.
That's them gone for the first 14 matches then.
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Their selection is warranted. I’m delighted for all of them.
It’s likely to mean bench time and game time for the likes of Wolstenholme, Cardall, Charlie Atkinson and Will Wilson.
Exciting times.
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Will Wilson left the club during lockdown.
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Yep think we discovered the club hadn't announced it... Wilson's no longer at the club.
Kieran Curran is though. And I really rate him. Especially after the Sarries match.
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Congratulations lads.
Now Eddie...start using them!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54691879
Not abusing and wrecking.
That's them gone for the first 14 matches then.
Yes, plus probably Matteo and Will.
When you add in the injured - Malakai and Ryan, there will be a lot of game time for our younger players. I am sure that they will seize their opportunities with both hands.
At least Charlie Atkinson will have no fear of Farrell trying to decapitate him!!!
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Well deserved, although surprised to see Jacob get called up over Joe Simmonds. Jacob is hugely talented and his call-up is well-earned but would have thought that Simmonds fitted the mould more for England right now, plus has another couple of seasons of First-team experience that Jacob doesn't have.
Either way, nice one boys - and hopefully Tony Rowe's comments haven't adversely affected the Simmonds' brothers selection.
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Well deserved, although surprised to see Jacob get called up over Joe Simmonds. Jacob is hugely talented and his call-up is well-earned but would have thought that Simmonds fitted the mould more for England right now, plus has another couple of seasons of First-team experience that Jacob doesn't have.
Either way, nice one boys - and hopefully Tony Rowe's comments haven't adversely affected the Simmonds' brothers selection.
The Simmonds lads said on telly that they were off for a two week break before the restart. I suspect they or Exeter removed themselves from contention - thus making them available for Exeter.
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Well - fingers crossed that no one is "Sam Jones'ed" (regardless of club) and that their journey is rewarded with a cap that will get that step over with, and looking forwards to many more
I'd really like Dan to be on the pitch, look up and see Jacob waiting for the ball....a ball that Jack has won on turnover!
Well done lads
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Well deserved, although surprised to see Jacob get called up over Joe Simmonds. Jacob is hugely talented and his call-up is well-earned but would have thought that Simmonds fitted the mould more for England right now, plus has another couple of seasons of First-team experience that Jacob doesn't have.
Either way, nice one boys - and hopefully Tony Rowe's comments haven't adversely affected the Simmonds' brothers selection.
The Simmonds lads said on telly that they were off for a two week break before the restart. I suspect they or Exeter removed themselves from contention - thus making them available for Exeter.
Or EJ told them in advance he's not interested/ they knew they wouldn't get picked.
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I think Jacob learns a huge amount in camp.
His kicking game and his understanding when to do so, improved measurably after his last stint with England.
I don’t think he’ll play that often just yet. And will hopefully be returned to Wasps every now and then to top-up his game time.
But his time in camp will escalate his learning and maturity as a number 10.
When Ford is healed in a few weeks, Jacob will probably be returned.
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Smith, Simmonds, Umaga is how they stack up for me. Umaga has the luxury of being between the best 9 and 12 in the league. Simmonds has an armchair most weeks. Smith has neither of these and still looks the real deal.
Umaga has more to work on than the other two..IMO
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Yes, Smith is the best 10 in the league for me closely followed by Umaga and Ford. Simmonds is useful but to be frank he does have it remarkably easy. It's not in question that all four really deserve a call up and it's huge congratulations to them. But if feels like we've loaned the Crown Jewels to someone who won't take good care of them.
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I think Jacob's defence is considerably better than the other 2 and other parts of his game have improved substantially after his last England training involvement, which is why I think he has been picked above them.
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I honestly couldn't choose between Umaga Smith and Simmonds. All are quality and I'd be happy with any getting a call up. I obviously have a slight preference because as Umaga gets experience in the international camp he improves further.
I think Umaga was picked due to similar playing style to Ford and how he gets used. I.e. Ford Farrell axis is similar to Umaga Gopperth axis. I could be wrong, but that's my hunch.
It's also incredible how England suddenly have 3 quality young fly halves available behind Ford and Farrell. It was originally just Smith, then Simmonds and then Umaga came along.
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In fact, Jacob has been picked to bring something different to the team, as England’s style evolves.
Eddie talking about Jacob.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54696130
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I'd add that Jacob brings an understanding of Southern Hemisphere rugby that none of the others do.
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Eddie, Jacob and Sushi....
With George Ford set to miss Saturday's game in Rome through injury and Umaga a test rookie, Furbank could find himself on the bench offering cover at fullback and for captain Owen Farrell.
Furbank, who has only dabbled at flyhalf, had a less than stellar introduction to the test scene in England's defeat by France in their opening Six Nations game in February, though he looked more comfortable in his second game against Scotland.
"I believe he can be a very good 10, maybe that’s going to be a position that we consider him strongly for in the future," Jones said of the 24-year-old.
"I've always had this feeling and speaking to (Northampton coach) Chris Boyd has reinforced that he has got the ability to play 10. He has done that for Northampton at the end of games when Dan Biggar has done one of those giant leaps in the air and ended the wrong way so he is an exciting prospect there.
"He's got a calm demeanour, good catch and pass skills, a solid kicking game and he's a strong defender so he has all the attributes. Whether it happens during the autumn we are not sure but certainly in terms of preparation we will be pushing him in that direction."
Umaga, who scored a brilliant individual try for Wasps in Saturday's Premiership final defeat by Exeter, has also impressed Jones.
"I like the way he attacks the line and he reads the game well," the Australian said of the 22-year-old with a rich international pedigree. "You need a player who’s very instinctive - you can’t coach them to do it, they just do it."
Jones again drew on his Japanese heritage to speculate on how Umaga might come to follow All Black uncle Tana and his Samoan international father Mike into the international arena.
"Tens are like sushi chefs," he said. "It's a lifetime ambition and it generally takes you about 10 years before you can start making sushi.
"He is at the start of the apprenticeship and he might graduate very quickly and be able to make sushi at the corner stall and then he might be able to make sushi at a five-star restaurant. The development of the player is something no one knows.
"Dan Carter was at his best at 35 but the game is changing. When Mark Ella played he had probably 15 metres between him and the defence line. Now when the 10 has the ball he has literally three metres before someone is going to bang him.
"The ability to make decisions quickly is extraordinarily difficult. With those young guys I think you have got to be patient, you have got to allow them to come through. You have to identify those who have that instinctiveness about them and then try to bring them through."
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Simmons and Smith have reached their peak.
Jacob has more potential IMO.
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so is Jones impying it'll be 10 years before Jacob starts?
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If Eddie is considering Furbank in any position he seriously has a screew loose. Daly is far and away a better fullback, so that's saying something. He's also been complete garbage for Saints at the end of season.
Must be a media wind-up.
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If Eddie is considering Furbank in any position he seriously has a screew loose. Daly is far and away a better fullback, so that's saying something. He's also been complete garbage for Saints at the end of season.
Must be a media wind-up.
Furbank has really been poor since the restart but so have Northampton. To consider him at 10 however is more Eddie craziness.
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Malins is towering above Furbank in both positions..EJ is a clown
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+ 1
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Malins is a class act. He has impressed in all the Eng Age group sides.
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Malins has played well all season and seemlessly slipped into the Bristol side.
Furbank's confidence is shot and he needs to get a dozen good games under his belt for Saints before bothering the selectors again. But he will probably be a starter for Eddie now. :'(
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If England need to win and score lots of points then EJ needs to pick a team that is best suited to do that. Italy will compete but don't have the fire power to trouble England so he should be able to throw in some inexperienced guys too and see how they perform with established players on the bench. I'd go with:
Malins, May, Slade, Lawrence, Thorley, Umaga, Robson, Obano, Dunn, West, Itoje, Launchbury, Willis, Underwood, Curry. Bench George, Genge/M Vunipola, Sinkler, J Hill/Ewels, Earl, Youngs, Farrell, Watson.
But of course we know he won't!
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Malins is a fantastic player, for me the one estate agent I always enjoyed watching, despite myself.
Furbank.......really?
Eddie determines that the criteria for selection has nothing to do with how you play, just how Edddie sees it in his crystal ball.
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Found this article by BT sport really interesting to show why EJ may have selected Umaga over Simmons down to how Wasps play off the 9 /10 /12 axis compared to Exeter. https://www.bt.com/sport/rugby-union/premiership-rugby/stats-behind-exeter-wasps-journey-to-premiership-final
Sry on phone if the link doesn't appear properly.
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Thatsva really interesting read, thanks for posting it!
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Reckon Barbeary was in line for an apprentice call before COVID. But his time will come
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Malins is towering above Furbank in both positions..EJ is a clown
Can't argue with that. Jones seems to want to appear unconventional, but fails for me, it looks forced. It's like post RWC when England had played their best two games in a long time, with a proper backrow - went to 6Ns 2020 and again played a damn SR at 6....even with England having more back rowers spare than any country (at a guess)
Malins is already better than Daly at 15 and plays there like an AB would - as a second 5/8th from 15.
Interesting reads about Jones re time with Oz, Japan and the Reds. He nearly repeated similar narrow thinking in 2018 (5 losses) and was a Danny chip away, from getting a "chat from the boss"
He's probably the best coach to make any 23 to play their best - I just think he doesn't do Director of Rugby.
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Widely reported and commented that Jones is as a short term, kick up the arse type boss and not a long term guy. The results seem to agree with that. The question is what can he win for England..?
Right now, since 2017, we have had no trophies, and our worst ever 6n finish. He got the WC right, by and large, but Brian Ashton got little credit for his WC campaign that also finished second. I think Eddie needs a title this year or next, because the press have knives out for him due to his manner and selections.
I think some of Eddie's selections have been mystifying, but I will.keep an open mind....
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But the RFU love him...i thought he'd be gone on the latest renew. He has the luxury of having access to some amazing players, I'm not sure he has much influence on the results he gets credit for. I don't like anything about him, I can barely listen to him monotone voice without retching.
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But the RFU love him...i thought he'd be gone on the latest renew. He has the luxury of having access to some amazing players, I'm not sure he has much influence on the results he gets credit for. I don't like anything about him, I can barely listen to him monotone voice without retching.
Well - the credit he did get was for me as much to do with Lancaster's selections (plus Maro - as you would) and then keeping with that team/squad until results went pear shaped in 2018. The results followed form, which had been brill in Aus, the 6Ns - having got the squad to improve with "new coach syndrome" and then got stale. To the point of three 6Ns losses, looking clueless and only saved by Danny in SA.
This is worth 5 mins https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/108275798/new-book-reveals-how-eddie-jones-loses-assistant-coaches-and-dressing-rooms
It's not like England back room turnover has been rapid at all......