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Title: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Vespula Vulgaris on February 01, 2022, 04:46:46 PM
There have been all sorts of problems of late with people being repeatedly smited (smitten?) for no apparent reason. And to be honest that doesn't fit the ethos of the Glee Club we are known to be.

So I have removed the smite option, and instead have added a big shiny button. I have no changed anyone's totals, but if you would like me to reset yours, or even just remove the negative points just drop me a Private message in confidence.

Let me know what you think.
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Neils on February 01, 2022, 04:49:16 PM
I Like This!
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Rossm on February 01, 2022, 04:49:58 PM
Smote?
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: WonkyWasp on February 01, 2022, 05:23:49 PM
A very good idea VV,      :)
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Shugs on February 01, 2022, 05:33:11 PM
A good idea. This smite solve the issues some have had!
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: WonkyWasp on February 01, 2022, 05:59:46 PM
I like the 'I  Like This'.  Am  I eligible? 
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: hookender on February 01, 2022, 06:49:20 PM
👍
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Wombles on February 01, 2022, 06:59:30 PM
Am i being naïve but what the heck is a smite?
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Rossm on February 01, 2022, 07:00:30 PM
Thanks for the change VV. But, I would have actually preferred a like/dislike button which refers specifically to the post and not the poster. I've seen plenty of posts replying "+1" but never seen a "-1" :)
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: hookender on February 01, 2022, 07:01:19 PM
Thanks for the change VV. But, I would have actually preferred a like/dislike button which refers specifically to the post and not the poster. I've seen plenty of posts replying "+1" but never seen a "-1" :)

- 1
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: WonkyWasp on February 01, 2022, 07:04:32 PM
Quoting my Mum ... 'A  slap round the face with a wet herring'. or more properly a smack on the cheek with a gauntlet belonging to a Knight - thus  challenging to a duel.
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: WonkyWasp on February 01, 2022, 07:08:25 PM
Ross .......... I have done three -1's ...............  all completely by accident.  I now put plus or minus instead of = or -.
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Neils on February 01, 2022, 07:30:50 PM
Thanks for the change VV. But, I would have actually preferred a like/dislike button which refers specifically to the post and not the poster. I've seen plenty of posts replying "+1" but never seen a "-1" :)

÷2
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Raggs on February 01, 2022, 07:55:16 PM
I'm curious as to WonkyWasp's total. He's doing quite well!
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Vespula Vulgaris on February 01, 2022, 08:06:11 PM
I'm curious as to WonkyWasp's total. He's doing quite well!

She, and I cheated.
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Raggs on February 01, 2022, 08:17:48 PM
I'm curious as to WonkyWasp's total. He's doing quite well!

She, and I cheated.

I know you cheated to get your numbers, I'm just wondering how WonkyWasp got her numbers?

:P
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Wombles on February 01, 2022, 08:39:50 PM
Honestly, what in the world are you lot talking about?
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: WonkyWasp on February 01, 2022, 09:00:14 PM
Bribery.  Sandwiches and wine in the Cabinet Room ...........  oh .... sorry .................... Redact that
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Beasties on February 01, 2022, 09:20:22 PM
Honestly, what in the world are you lot talking about?
+1
Scratchy head emoji.
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Rossm on February 01, 2022, 09:24:38 PM
Honestly, what in the world are you lot talking about?

Wombles: What do you use to access this site? DesktopPC, laptop, tablet, phone or something else? To the left of the posts, you should see something like this:

Wombles
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 297
Karma: +73/-46
 Thanks for Post
Wasps Rugby Fan
View Profile Personal Message (Online)

Underneath 'Karma' there was an option to applaud/smite. It is now no longer there. However you can see your score - you have +73 (Applauds) and -46 (Smites). It was pretty much harmless fun, until someone started dishing out smites willynilly and very frequently. Hope this goes some way to an explanation. :)

 
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: westwaleswasp on February 01, 2022, 09:33:07 PM
VV, thank you. I take it the non standard SMF thing worked then, or one similar at least.
I am replying here as, bizzarely, in our PMs I can see all yours that have been sent to me, but nothing of what I sent to you (the "sent" box is empty). So when I sent you private response ( which was basically "awesome") I can't actually see if I have sent you anything at all. 

Anyway, I do wonder if the smiting was due to (a) soccer fans or (b) related to the hacking of the site on google in some way. Either way we are best off without it.
 


Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Rossm on February 01, 2022, 09:46:10 PM
westwales: When you send a PM, you have to check the box 'send a copy to my outbox'.
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Hymenoptera on February 01, 2022, 10:13:30 PM
Thanks for the change VV. But, I would have actually preferred a like/dislike button which refers specifically to the post and not the poster. I've seen plenty of posts replying "+1" but never seen a "-1" :)
You've just removed something that I was winning at..I'd like to keep mine please. I didn't post for a couple of months and accumulated 60 smites from the 'fake woke' brigade.
I dislike this idea more than I disliked the smite facility. Why does someone need a pat on the back for a post? - Some radical thinking here, but why not have some debate instead. The smite thing was just a debate and conversation stifler, let's not have another version of it.
Q for VV. Given this fundamental change, will there be a relaxing of the Opinion Policing? Or do we all still have to ignore our differences and pretend to get along?
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: westwaleswasp on February 02, 2022, 12:01:04 AM
westwales: When you send a PM, you have to check the box 'send a copy to my outbox'.

Thanks, I did not know that.
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: westwaleswasp on February 02, 2022, 12:12:17 AM
Thanks for the change VV. But, I would have actually preferred a like/dislike button which refers specifically to the post and not the poster. I've seen plenty of posts replying "+1" but never seen a "-1" :)
You've just removed something that I was winning at..I'd like to keep mine please. I didn't post for a couple of months and accumulated 60 smites from the 'fake woke' brigade.
I dislike this idea more than I disliked the smite facility. Why does someone need a pat on the back for a post? - Some radical thinking here, but why not have some debate instead. The smite thing was just a debate and conversation stifler, let's not have another version of it.
Q for VV. Given this fundamental change, will there be a relaxing of the Opinion Policing? Or do we all still have to ignore our differences and pretend to get along?

I very much doubt you accumulated those smites from a brigade, woke or otherwise. It may not have been aimed specifically at you. Certain threads seem to pick them up in huge numbers, where nobody was in disagreement on the thread, but everyone was smited, and the threads did nothing more than discuss injuries or say if they were going to match.  Given the number of huge overnight jumps on some posters, and the fact that you cannot repeat an action within an hour, and that some people literally gained 15-20 in a couple of days without posting, something odd was going on. If it was a group,I doubt it was not a group of Wasps rugby fans here.
 
Smites themselves disable conversations, and this removes the possibility that someone was attempting to target the entirity of the site users on particular threads at random times.  Now if you want to express an opinion against what has been written you have to respond in print, which is fair enough, if someone was randomly doing it to spread discord they can't now, and we can have the debates about rugby instead. FWIW I don't think it is possible to remove all buttons, from my limited digging around the best you can do is reset totals and/or disable smites. Maybe it would be better to have none at all, but that is not an option.
 
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Mellie on February 02, 2022, 10:14:43 AM
I like the idea but the button is visually repellent. Can you change it to something less obtrusive please VV?

Personally I couldn't care less if I receive an applause or smite and never look. What does bug me though is posts that only say +1 when I'm reading new posts. Hopefully people can now use the like button instead.  Showing the number of likes for a particular post would be good.

If someone disagrees with something then posting the reason is far better than a button, as it adds no insight.
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Rossm on February 02, 2022, 10:47:46 AM
I like the idea but the button is visually repellent. Can you change it to something less obtrusive please VV?

I was going to say the same but I was going to say it is not aesthetically pleasing ;)
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Nigel Med on February 02, 2022, 10:52:58 AM
The principal of being able to "Like" a post is great but it falls down because it's recorded against who posted the comment and therefore it becomes personal rather than against the post itself which might be a better indication of what subjects and discussions are preferred.

Would it be possible to have a total of "likes" for the post not the postee (is that a word?). What do people think of that as an alternative if it's possible?
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Vespula Vulgaris on February 02, 2022, 11:20:30 AM
Q for VV. Given this fundamental change, will there be a relaxing of the Opinion Policing? Or do we all still have to ignore our differences and pretend to get along?

No-one has to pretend to get along, but just like before deliberately aggressive or personal posts won't be tolerated. Disagree by all means, but do it respectfully.
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Rossm on February 02, 2022, 11:21:20 AM
On Shedweb, they have a heart/broken heart (like/dislike) beneath each individual post. Seems a better idea to me, though I've never actually used them. Probably the software that VV uses doesn't allow it.
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Vespula Vulgaris on February 02, 2022, 11:23:58 AM
On Shedweb, they have a heart/broken heart (like/dislike) beneath each individual post. Seems a better idea to me, though I've never actually used them. Probably the software that VV uses doesn't allow it.

The software is pretty limited, we only started using the karma option because people wanted a like facility. I don't mind it, but I know other people have different opinions.
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: WonkyWasp on February 02, 2022, 11:48:35 AM
I like the 'Like' as it is positive.    The 'Dislike' however is too easily abused, as we know.  But thank you VV for valiantly trying to sort it out. 
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: westwaleswasp on February 02, 2022, 12:14:51 PM
I completely agree with Wonky and want to place my on record thanks, but there does not seem much point in liking the comment as she now has 65K of them, and mine would be a drop in the ocean!
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: WonkyWasp on February 02, 2022, 01:13:10 PM
No  no, www!  Your thanks are more than welcome  and also very very special.  My thanks  to you!    :)
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Vespula Vulgaris on February 02, 2022, 01:14:44 PM
I completely agree with Wonky and want to place my on record thanks, but there does not seem much point in liking the comment as she now has 65K of them, and mine would be a drop in the ocean!

I'm not sure she can get any more to be fair.  I think the system has maxed out.
Title: Re: The Phantom Smiter - And changes to the forum
Post by: Mellie on February 02, 2022, 03:22:20 PM
I'm not sure she can get any more to be fair.  I think the system has maxed out.
It's that magic number 65535 which translates as 64k. Meaning it uses all 16 bits of a Word (2 bytes) for storage.

Reminds me of a time I worked for a library automation company. A client told me a fine was definitely incorrect as they charged in whole Deutsche Marks (so pre Euro). By adding 65535 to the displayed fine the total was exact 700 DMs. The system had reset the field and kept counting!