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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: As Wasps Fans we should be wishing the Best to Clubs Financially? WWalesW?
« on: July 28, 2023, 12:28:32 PM »
I sincerely apologise as I am a Wasps supporter and it was never my intention to cause any offence and rest assured that I take due note of your words Vespula Vulgaris. I am just, like all of us, so saddened and frustrated by what has happened to our club.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: As Wasps Fans we should be wishing the Best to Clubs Financially? WWalesW?
« on: July 27, 2023, 04:05:48 PM »
Sorry you suffered that abuse Wonky W but I say again you cannot dismiss one clubs fans as dross due to a few idiots as all clubs have them.
Clearly WWW hates Leicester and I am no fan of theirs but they regularly get many more supporters than we ever did attending their matches and they have won a lot more silverware than us so they must be doing something right? I still feel our demise was avoidable with better financial controls and us the supporters plus the players and backroom staff are the real losers in our going belly up! Not sure who Grendel is, being new to this forum?
Clearly WWW hates Leicester and I am no fan of theirs but they regularly get many more supporters than we ever did attending their matches and they have won a lot more silverware than us so they must be doing something right? I still feel our demise was avoidable with better financial controls and us the supporters plus the players and backroom staff are the real losers in our going belly up! Not sure who Grendel is, being new to this forum?
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: As Wasps Fans we should be wishing the Best to Clubs Financially? WWalesW?
« on: July 27, 2023, 11:16:52 AM »
WWW you pulled me up for referring to fans of any club as fair weather- saying it is not a good look, unintentionally or otherwise as it makes it sound like the ludicrous "not real fans" debates you saw on DW a while back from the soccer fans. Fans are fans- whether old or new, or whatever.
Wasps have always struggled to get consistent big home gates and rarely sold out at Loftus Road, Wycombe or Coventry.
Yet a lot of Wasps fans turn out for a Twickenham final or a Euro semi final etc.
As you seem anti Tigers at least they get home gated over 20,000 so we did struggle to convert the occasional fans into regulars.It is not a problem just Wasps had as Saracens are in the same boat and Sale to name just 2.
Wasps have always struggled to get consistent big home gates and rarely sold out at Loftus Road, Wycombe or Coventry.
Yet a lot of Wasps fans turn out for a Twickenham final or a Euro semi final etc.
As you seem anti Tigers at least they get home gated over 20,000 so we did struggle to convert the occasional fans into regulars.It is not a problem just Wasps had as Saracens are in the same boat and Sale to name just 2.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: As Wasps Fans we should be wishing the Best to Clubs Financially? WWalesW?
« on: July 27, 2023, 11:11:49 AM »
Neils your last post sums up from you and many other posters a massive resentment to other clubs and whilst this may be a cathartic way of handling the loss of our great club as a Wasps supporter I take a different line. Namely, yes the other clubs and the RFU could have helped us more etc etc BUT the club should never have allowed the club to get to the stage where we were a financial basket case. Some hide behind COVID but that hit all sports clubs and I feel we just over leveraged us and were blind to the rainy day scenario and should have been more cautious, particularly given how close we came to folding in Wycombe.
The radio silence since we went bust is frustrating as I am sure we all want answers to how we descended from a proud historic club to not having a pot to p...s in! Maybe disproportionately blaming others for our demise, rather than looking within fills that void?
The radio silence since we went bust is frustrating as I am sure we all want answers to how we descended from a proud historic club to not having a pot to p...s in! Maybe disproportionately blaming others for our demise, rather than looking within fills that void?
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: As Wasps Fans we should be wishing the Best to Clubs Financially? WWalesW?
« on: July 27, 2023, 10:58:59 AM »
WWW I am no Tigers lover but the squad they won the title with had been there for some time and the time period of their transgression they were rubbish so did not win any silverware based on their financial creative accounting, whereas Saracens won several titles domestic and European during the period of their cheating, hence why they were relegated and Tigers were not for far lesser offences.
You also dismiss the Tigers fans as awful in their behaviour, but I say again all clubs including our own Wasps have idiot fans so to write off a whole fan base based on a few experiences you have had either online and/or face to face is surely not representative of the 20,000 plus fans they get every home game?
You also dismiss the Tigers fans as awful in their behaviour, but I say again all clubs including our own Wasps have idiot fans so to write off a whole fan base based on a few experiences you have had either online and/or face to face is surely not representative of the 20,000 plus fans they get every home game?
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: As Wasps Fans we should be wishing the Best to Clubs Financially? WWalesW?
« on: July 26, 2023, 03:10:29 PM »
Rossm My own view is yes the pandemic had a huge impact and tipped us into oblivion BUT the figures show that we were struggling financially before then trading beyond our means and as one example very rarely filling the ground ( the Coventry stadium was always too big for our average gates I mean 30 plus thousand!!!!) How many matches were played to rows an rows of empty pale blue seating? Many.Also, the move to the Midlands for a London club never sat well with me and many Wasps supporters as by doing so we became truly nomadic and lost our geographic identity.
So, whilst the management certainly had some bad cards to deal with they are not blameless as I feel they overstretched us particularly via the bond scheme and did not make adequate allowances for s...t happening.
The fact we are almost in August and radio silence on any team for next season playing in any league anywhere just shows we do not have a pot to p..s in and how badly the finances have become. Sadly, I suspect our club will become a student case study in years to come on how a commercial operation over reaches and discards sound financial management along the way.
So, whilst the management certainly had some bad cards to deal with they are not blameless as I feel they overstretched us particularly via the bond scheme and did not make adequate allowances for s...t happening.
The fact we are almost in August and radio silence on any team for next season playing in any league anywhere just shows we do not have a pot to p..s in and how badly the finances have become. Sadly, I suspect our club will become a student case study in years to come on how a commercial operation over reaches and discards sound financial management along the way.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: As Wasps Fans we should be wishing the Best to Clubs Financially? WWalesW?
« on: July 26, 2023, 01:28:52 PM »
Well of the replies so for there seems to not be sufficient acknowledgement that we as Wasps are where we are largely because of mismanagement by the senior club Directors and this is why we folded and not because of the RFU and or Premiership rugby ( neither body let me say I have a lot of time for) Also just because a small number of keyboard warriors from other clubs gloated on our downfall does not mean the vast majority of fans were very sympathetic to our collapse. Had say Tigers folded and we did not a few moronic Wasps supporters would have gloated! We should not dismiss the majority of decent supporters based on a few idiots! Also, the concept that we should want the whole club scene in England to fail so we can somehow return is I feel unkind and somewhat delusional as a nationwide collapse would not make our return certain given we seem to have no real assets or funds available to run a rugby operation at any level, let alone a professional set up.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / As Wasps Fans we should be wishing the Best to Clubs Financially? WWalesW?
« on: July 26, 2023, 11:45:26 AM »
As a lifelong Wasps supporter our demise is awful to witness, but surely we should not be willing the same to happen to other clubs? I have seen a number of posts ( quite a few from West Wales Wasp) mostly focussed on Saracens and Tigers and hoping they go under, but remember if a club folds some 200 jobs are lost between the players and the support staff. To wish this on any club I would say does not make us come over well. We have to accept it was a fair bit of mismanagement at the club that got us to where we are. We have always struggled to sell out our various grounds except for the big matches so we clearly have a lot of fair weather supporters who only attend for the huge contests. Saracens have the same issue whereas Tigers are lucky they regularly get 20,000 plus however well or badly they are doing. They have also won more silverware than any other English side, so maybe some of the comments on this forum wishing them to implode is out of jealousy? Saracens we all know cheated on a massive scale over many seasons of silverware winning, so I understand that breeds contempt ( yes Tigers were in breach too, but a far smaller amount and not over the same time period and they were playing rubbish during this time, so it hardly helped them!) but surely we should not be willing on these 2 or indeed any other clubs to fall apart financially? How does that help the game of rugby union we all love? I would be interested in your thoughts?
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