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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: 2023/24 season
« on: December 07, 2023, 09:10:43 AM »
Why would anyone make an upfront commitment to buy an ST? Those promises may be well meaning but they?re meaningless if the tax authorities or DCMS suddenly have a change of heart and they are looking at the same data and wondering if they will get paid.

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I'm against central contracts but if they are introduced they should be limited to players who have a very good chance of playing in the next world cup. Farrell is 32 and whilst I know there have been players older than 36 but they are few and far between and he's no Johnny Sexton.

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Does that BBC headline make sense to anyone?

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Northampton Saints: Record ?21.96m turnover, despite before-tax loss of ?1.1m

Rugby dump at least makes some sense:

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Releasing their financial figures today, Northampton Saints have recorded a loss of ?1.1 million before tax, despite a record annual turnover of ?21.96 million.

Without a close look at the books and all the footnotes its always hard to judge these things because of one-off and other costs. Increasing turnover has a cost in itself, the thing to look for is there a one off cost to get that new revenue level the new new normal.

Nonetheless, worrying times for players and staff.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: November 24, 2023, 03:49:34 PM »
I have used that VK site in the past but then switched to PRTV when it started.

I wouldn't touch it now for the reasons Ross gives.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: November 24, 2023, 12:11:32 PM »
Also a pleasure watching Treviso these days with Jacob, Paolo, Fekitoa, Watson and Minozzi all potential picks

Edinburgh v Benetton Treviso Friday evening, tempting to book a nice weekend in Edinburgh with a stop off on the way into the city.
Anyone know where I can watch this without signing up to a subscription channel? I don?t mind paying a one-off fee.

Not sure how it works or even if available in the UK but URC TV is an option.

Three ex Wasps playing for Treviso plus Vellacott on Edinburgh's bench.
Thanks. The ex Wasps  players are partly why I want to watch but also because I'm getting withdrawal symptoms.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: November 24, 2023, 10:34:57 AM »
Also a pleasure watching Treviso these days with Jacob, Paolo, Fekitoa, Watson and Minozzi all potential picks

Edinburgh v Benetton Treviso Friday evening, tempting to book a nice weekend in Edinburgh with a stop off on the way into the city.
Anyone know where I can watch this without signing up to a subscription channel? I don?t mind paying a one-off fee.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Hey ho - another one?
« on: November 18, 2023, 02:05:43 PM »
When I saw this post and then the article headline my assumption was Newcastle because I had a look at the table earlier and saw they were bottom without a win. Six straight losses and only 3 BPs.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: 10 Changes that should be made - Article
« on: November 13, 2023, 06:57:24 PM »
Can you kick a drop goal direct from a free kick?

A brief googling says no. So back to over rewards a weak or ineffective scrum. A front row of Makos here we come.
There's no reason why repeated offences couldn't be penalised by awarding a penalty.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: 10 Changes that should be made - Article
« on: November 13, 2023, 04:52:12 PM »
#3 We've discussed this a number of times on here a good move.

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5. Enforce ? and tighten ? the ruck ?use it? countdown

The easiest tweak of this list? Referees could be stricter with enforcing the ?use it? law, whereby a team must play the ball five seconds after the referee has deemed it available. As it stands, this often leads to the dreaded ?caterpillar ruck? ? which would be tough to define, and therefore ban, in itself ? so enforcing this law would disrupt its formation. Only a positive. Could the limit be lowered to three seconds, too? Or, perhaps, once the referee has called ?use it?, the ball is automatically out after five seconds, rather than a resulting scrum?

Once the ref has called use it nobody can join the ruck on either side, should stop the caterpillar and also give the SH a hurry up in case there's a a big push from the defending side that can't be countered,

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Massie-Ferguson Speaks
« on: November 09, 2023, 05:46:07 PM »
@Neils & NWW

I agree, its hard to see a TV deal providing anywhere near the money the have in the past, rugby is only a schedule filler not a main draw to subscription TV. I would also expect there to be some fairly stiff claw back clauses around clubs dropping out and relegation.

I've said it before, but they might be better off in the long run seeing if ITV/C4 will pick it up and show live games, even if they have to give it away for a couple of years. Free to air rather than some dusty corner of yet another a subscription channel playing second or third fiddle to football would help rebuild fans bases, attract more kids to the game and be more appealing to sponsors if there a larger audience.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Massie-Ferguson Speaks
« on: November 08, 2023, 11:52:11 AM »
I stopped reading at the social media bit.

Trouble is there isn't much else to do other than read this stuff- unless you count going to the Warrior's board to endure the delusional ramblings of a few faves.

 I guess PRL and the RFU  think they may be able to survive this season with no further clubs down the swanny, but I am not so sure.

I suspect that, behind the scenes, they have required all the sugar daddies to sign a personal guarantee to fund the clubs sufficiently to keep them going until each of them has played their last game, with the sanction that the club would be booted out before the season started. I think this was why Irish went under. Having refused to sign up to that, it all unraveled from there.

What this means is that each owner, around January or February, will work out if they can or want to sustain their respective leeches for 24/25. If they do not, they will work out who actually needs paying (and when) to keep the doors open (and indeed that will also be affected by playoffs etc, and also if their last game is home or away). From a certain point onwards, creditors will start to find themselves not being paid. Again, exactly what happened at Irish. They then simply wait for HMRC to take action, which they will. It would not surprise me to see two more clubs go under.

It's like watching green bottles on a wall, in slow motion.
Sounds plausible. If they expect to announce the deal in December they've probably agreed HoTs and financials and are just finalising the finer details. That should give the clubs a reasonable view of their finances until the end of the season.

The next major hurdle will be TV rights. For the clubs that is a very big deal for financial because it gives them a known income for X years, most other streams being quite variable and subject to external influences.

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Sweeney has said the forthcoming deal is a chance to set aside self-interest.
Has he met any club owners?

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Massie-Ferguson Speaks
« on: November 06, 2023, 12:37:39 PM »
Vows none will go bust during this season. In other words, will go under once their last game has been played.

He is suggesting that he can rely on the promise of the sugar daddies that they won't change their minds mid season (or indeed will not suffer a financial mishap leaving them without funds).

Such promises are worthless.

There is nothing in that piece to inspire confidence.

We all know that the game is headed in the wrong direction. Like an oil tanker, it takes a while for course changes to take effect, but he is like the captain that still steers towards the rocks.
(my emphasis)

Yep, because there's one group he can't control, the Inland Revenue and if they think that someone or some group is trading whilst insolvent or unlikely to pay current and future tax bills they'll be in the courts before anyone can react.

Furthermore, the idea that the government will now restructure loans, having refused in the past and been part of the process that led to clubs going bust stinks and deserves to end up with a legal challenge.

Another idea that stinks is that clubs can be protected this season to ensure they end up in Prem 1 then they'll be yet again protected from relegation because another wall is being built around it.

/rant

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Goodbye and thank you
« on: November 03, 2023, 08:25:25 AM »
I agree with NWW's points but overall I think he's been good for the game and the best referee of his generation.

He's a good communicator but this was also a problem. He had a period a couple of years where he over refereed games, by that I mean he never shut up and allowed players to make their own decisions, but he calmed down and I thought got it about right for the World Cup.

I suspect we're going to see quite a lot of him as a pundit over the coming years which will also be good for the game, if he keeps his ego in check.

I wish him well and like Heathen thank him for his efforts.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Eddie's Aus Crash and Burn.
« on: October 31, 2023, 07:58:28 AM »
Eddie resigns

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/67254778

No doubt those who thought he was a solution to any problem will stay in place.

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